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More benchmarks, from Tom's Hardware:


The single core is pretty consistent with previous leaked scores. Not quite 1900.

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3D is incremental vs A15, and maintains big lead over Android competition.

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Rush shows no improvement from A15. Is Rush hardware accelerated?

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Ultimately though, my main interest with these new phones is with the camera. It seems the new bigger pixel-binned 48 MP sensor is a nice boost for low light shots, but the edge detection for portrait photos remains problematic, despite the updated image processor. Whereas the rest of the camera, particularly video, is better than most of the competition, portrait mode edge detection still suffers the same problems that I had with my iPhone 7 Plus 6 years ago. Samsung is clearly in the lead with this particular metric.
 

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Multi core:
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We should see a significant improvement next year with N3E.
This 1887/5455 score has to be from Apple. There are a bazillion iPhone15,x scores on Geekbench now, and this remains one of the best. (iPhone 15,x is, ironically, iPhone 14 series.)

After sifting through a ton of recent Geekbench scores, the fastest single-core and multi-core scores I have found are 1892 and 5499. Oh so close to 1900/5500.

It seems the multi-core vs single-core multiplier is ~2.9X.

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1894 and 5511

BTW, Metal is 15886.
 
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Interesting that Apple are switching to using mountains for their core codenames.

An odd decision to make if they do not feel threatened by ARM's future CPU IP considering they switched to using mountains back in 2020 with Matterhorn for X2/A710.
 
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Rush shows no improvement from A15. Is Rush hardware accelerated?
If I remember correctly it benefitted from Adobe converting their 'Mercury' engine from OpenCL to Vulkan code (at least on Android), so I would assume yes.

I would assume that Adobe created equivalent an Metal backend, or at least use MetalVK for the purpose to reuse the Vulkan work.
 
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I still wonder why so many key people left. Money is always an incentive, but usually it's not just the money.
Going by Keller I would assume it is simply both the challenge and a change of scenery.

He's never stuck around in one place for very long and it seems like the same can be said of many in the silicon engineering part of the industry.

Those that stick around seem to be 'corporate ladder climbers', while those who move around seem to only increase their value with experience on diverse work portfolio's.
 
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AMD is not using a bog standard TSMC process, why should we assume Apple must?
Because typically Apple have been pushing the leading edge of the new nodes, as in pretty much pushing out SoC's using them as soon as risk production is over and bulk production begins.

The extra tweaks AMD needs for their designs have typically come in 2-3 years after the initial node announcement by TSMC, I would not expect that to change drastically just because Apple are willing to pay more.

In fact I believe part of the reason that Apple can buy up so much capacity of new nodes is because they are basically breaking much of the node R&D burden for TSMC - if Apple start getting finicky about wanting more tweaks then it will take TSMC longer to recoup those costs and TSMC would just give the early capacity to someone else to redress the difference, thus losing Apple their historic advantage.
 
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This 1887/5455 score has to be from Apple. There are a bazillion iPhone15,x scores on Geekbench now, and this remains one of the best. (iPhone 15,x is, ironically, iPhone 14 series.)

After sifting through a ton of recent Geekbench scores, the fastest single-core and multi-core scores I have found are 1892 and 5499. Oh so close to 1900/5500.

It seems the multi-core vs single-core multiplier is ~2.9X.

EDIT:

1894 and 5511

BTW, Metal is 15886.
You might want to add Jetstream2 to your list...

If we believe preliminary numbers, there has been a MASSIVE improvement in JS performance:

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A16: 282
A15: 180
A14: 159
A13: 133

I mentioned two patents that came out around the time of the A15 that were written up primarily in the language of accelerating Objective C msgdispatch, but that to my eye could be applied to any interpreted language with a particular type of structure, like JS (or eg Lua, or Python?)

Certainly looks like something happened with the A16! Either the slight HW generalizations I had in mind were implemented, or Safari was improved [and we will also see this change on A15]. My guess is it's HW; if it were just SW the changes are small enough and the payoff large enough that I suspect it would have been done very soon after release if not before.
 
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