Apple potentially shipped 20M iPads Last Q

[Phynaz]

According Needham & Company

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-5...g-20-million-ipads-last-quarter-analyst-says/

 

[pm]

I was surprised at this:

Wolf said, according to AppleInsider. "The iPad is invading the business market at a much faster pace than the iPhone.

What do people do with an iPad in a business? I can imagine them for real estate agents and people who do things like interior decorating and remodeling, but what do real business people do with an iPad? I always think of businesses as creating "content" (like spreadsheets, powerpoints, etc.) and tablets to me are good for viewing content but not creating it.

 

[Super56K]

CEO - I think we should deploy iPads to increase productivity.
CIO - Uhh, actually...
CEO - Do it or I'll find someone who will.
CIO - How many should I order?

 

[Puddle Jumper]

I was surprised at this:


What do people do with an iPad in a business? I can imagine them for real estate agents and people who do things like interior decorating and remodeling, but what do real business people do with an iPad? I always think of businesses as creating "content" (like spreadsheets, powerpoints, etc.) and tablets to me are good for viewing content but not creating it.

From what I have seen they only get used to read email, never mind the fact that most of the people who have gotten iPads already have a smartphone for that.

Basically people just want them because it's shiny and don't have any real use for it.

CEO - I think we should deploy iPads to increase productivity.
CIO - Uhh, actually...
CEO - Do it or I'll find someone who will.
CIO - How many should I order?

Exactly.

 

[cheezy321]

I was surprised at this:


What do people do with an iPad in a business? I can imagine them for real estate agents and people who do things like interior decorating and remodeling, but what do real business people do with an iPad? I always think of businesses as creating "content" (like spreadsheets, powerpoints, etc.) and tablets to me are good for viewing content but not creating it.

I think signing contracts is a big thing. Thats why my work gave me an iPad. You can create the contract right then and there and have them sign it right away. No waiting at all.

Even the NBA is signing $100 million contracts with the iPad

 

[Puddle Jumper]

I think signing contracts is a big thing. Thats why my work gave me an iPad. You can create the contract right then and there and have them sign it right away. No waiting at all.

Even the NBA is signing $100 million contracts with the iPad

People actually are willing to fingerpaint their signature on contracts? A Windows convertible would be a much better tool for that job, you could use real productivity software to create the document an then they could sign it with a pen like and adult.

A Galaxy note would make even more sense since it is picket sized and has a real active digitizer.

 

[Red Storm]

People actually are willing to fingerpaint their signature on contracts? A Windows convertible would be a much better tool for that job, you could use real productivity software to create the document an then they could sign it with a pen like and adult.

A Galaxy note would make even more sense since it is picket sized and has a real active digitizer.

Why would you need to create the document on the same device that handles the signing? Carrying around a convertible laptop would be way more annoying than an ARM tablet.

From what I've seen, there's a lot more demand for quick and easy content viewing rather than producing.

 

[sm625]

It's called the invasion of stupid. To understand what is going on here you need only ask yourself a simple question:

How far do you think Einstein would have gotten if all his colleagues were complete morons who spent all their time being stupified by annoying orange videos?

We are only a generation or two from spraying gatorade/Brawndo on all our crops and going extinct while sucked into a stupid screen.

 

[Puddle Jumper]

Why would you need to create the document on the same device that handles the signing? Carrying around a convertible laptop would be way more annoying than an ARM tablet.

He mentioned doing exactly that. If you weren't creating the contratc than the Galaxy Note would be the way to go.

 

[cheezy321]

People actually are willing to fingerpaint their signature on contracts? A Windows convertible would be a much better tool for that job, you could use real productivity software to create the document an then they could sign it with a pen like and adult.

A Galaxy note would make even more sense since it is picket sized and has a real active digitizer.

Yep. its a brave new world out there. Super easy to do and really easy to close the deal when you don't have to go back to your office and fill out all the details of the contract.

We have a custom made app on the iPad we use to fill out all the info we need and they usually sign with their finger. Nobody has a problem with it. I have a stylus I bring along just in case but almost everyone signs with their finger.

Why would a windows convertible be better? I don't see any advantage it has over the iPad. Why would a Galaxy note be better? It is pretty damn small compared to the iPad and would be even harder to sign with your finger.

 

[Red Storm]

He mentioned doing exactly that. If you weren't creating the contratc than the Galaxy Note would be the way to go.

The Note is a phone...

I can comfortably RDP and web browse with a tablet sized screen, not so with a phone.

 

[WelshBloke]

Yep. its a brave new world out there. Super easy to do and really easy to close the deal when you don't have to go back to your office and fill out all the details of the contract.

We have a custom made app on the iPad we use to fill out all the info we need and they usually sign with their finger. Nobody has a problem with it. I have a stylus I bring along just in case but almost everyone signs with their finger.

Why would a windows convertible be better? I don't see any advantage it has over the iPad. Why would a Galaxy note be better? It is pretty damn small compared to the iPad and would be even harder to sign with your finger.

That sounds fairly dubious legally.

Is there any way the client can be sure you wont edit the contract after the fact?

 

[QueBert]

People actually are willing to fingerpaint their signature on contracts? A Windows convertible would be a much better tool for that job, you could use real productivity software to create the document an then they could sign it with a pen like and adult.

A Galaxy note would make even more sense since it is picket sized and has a real active digitizer.

So what you're saying is 1 product that's clearly lacking when it comes to software, and one that's not even out yet make more sense. How exactly would either be a better solution than a proven device? What software can I get for a Windows 8 tablet? Oh that's right, they're not even out and it could wind up being a total flop. The NBA just decided to blow $100 million without doing any sort of research right? I'm sure they probably did it just because they want to look cool.

I had a note (sold it the other day) while the digitizer pen's better than a finger, it's not a replacement for an actual writing utensil. My signature using it looks absolutely nothing like my actual signature. It just looked better than one done with my finger only.

 

[Puddle Jumper]

Yep. its a brave new world out there. Super easy to do and really easy to close the deal when you don't have to go back to your office and fill out all the details of the contract.

We have a custom made app on the iPad we use to fill out all the info we need and they usually sign with their finger. Nobody has a problem with it. I have a stylus I bring along just in case but almost everyone signs with their finger.

Why would a windows convertible be better? I don't see any advantage it has over the iPad. Why would a Galaxy note be better? It is pretty damn small compared to the iPad and would be even harder to sign with your finger.

I've known vendors who have been doing that for close to a decade now with Thinkpad tablets.

It seems like entering the information would be an incredible pain on the iPad.

The beauty of the galaxy Note is you don't sign with your finger, it has a wacom digitizer.

 

[cheezy321]

That sounds fairly dubious legally.

Is there any way the client can be sure you wont edit the contract after the fact?

How so? They sign with their finger then click the 'submit' button themselves. The screen says 'contract delivered successfully'. I cant change anything after they sign. They receive a copy of the same contract.

 

[KLin]

I was surprised at this:


What do people do with an iPad in a business? I can imagine them for real estate agents and people who do things like interior decorating and remodeling, but what do real business people do with an iPad? I always think of businesses as creating "content" (like spreadsheets, powerpoints, etc.) and tablets to me are good for viewing content but not creating it.

People in real estate, interior decorating and remodeling aren't real business people?

I could see a use for an ipad for anything that requires entering data while still being mobile(health dept. inspector, food processing QA inspector, etc. etc. etc.)

 

[Puddle Jumper]

So what you're saying is 1 product that's clearly lacking when it comes to software, and one that's not even out yet make more sense. How exactly would either be a better solution than a proven device? What software can I get for a Windows 8 tablet? Oh that's right, they're not even out and it could wind up being a total flop. The NBA just decided to blow $100 million without doing any sort of research right? I'm sure they probably did it just because they want to look cool.

I had a note (sold it the other day) while the digitizer pen's better than a finger, it's not a replacement for an actual writing utensil. My signature using it looks absolutely nothing like my actual signature. It just looked better than one done with my finger only.

Windows tablets have been out for close to a decade now and have been used to handle contracts for nearly that long. Besides if they needed to create custom software they could have done it for the Note as easily as the iPad. And unless you have actually developed for both don't give me a lecture about how much easier iOS development is, I've actually done it and it's not all unicorns and rainbows.

The NBA obviously did it because it looks cool, there are better products for that purpose if they wanted functionality.

 

[WelshBloke]

How so? They sign with their finger then click the 'submit' button themselves. The screen says 'contract delivered successfully'. I cant change anything after they sign. They receive a copy of the same contract.

Traditionally you'd make the contract then print out two copies. You and the client would both sign each copy and you'd both keep one. That way if there was any shenanigans it would be obvious as the contracts wouldn't match.

In your version I (the client) would sign something, you then print it off and send it to me.

How do I know you (or your office) wont change anything in the time between me signing it and printing it?

 

[trmiv]

I was surprised at this:


What do people do with an iPad in a business? I can imagine them for real estate agents and people who do things like interior decorating and remodeling, but what do real business people do with an iPad? I always think of businesses as creating "content" (like spreadsheets, powerpoints, etc.) and tablets to me are good for viewing content but not creating it.

If you're a manager at my company you apparently can't be caught in a meeting without an iPad in front of you. I guess they take notes and look important?

 

[cheezy321]

Windows tablets have been out for close to a decade now and have been used to handle contracts for nearly that long. Besides if they needed to create custom software they could have done it for the Note as easily as the iPad. And unless you have actually developed for both don't give me a lecture about how much easier iOS development is, I've actually done it and it's not all unicorns and rainbows.

The NBA obviously did it because it looks cool, there are better products for that purpose if they wanted functionality.

The note is 5". The iPad is 9.7". The iPad is ubiquitous. The note isnt. 2 things that put the note at a distinct disadvantage.

What is the better product for the purpose? and what functionality will it bring to the table?

 

[cheezy321]

Traditionally you'd make the contract then print out two copies. You and the client would both sign each copy and you'd both keep one. That way if there was any shenanigans it would be obvious as the contracts wouldn't match.

In your version I (the client) would sign something, you then print it off and send it to me.

How do I know you (or your office) wont change anything in the time between me signing it and printing it?

Huh? The client gets a PDF copy of the contract as soon as they click 'submit'. How can I change anything in the seconds it takes from them clicking submit to seeing it in their own personal inbox?

 

[WelshBloke]

...

What is the better product for the purpose? and what functionality will it bring to the table?

Two hard copies printed on paper.

 

[WelshBloke]

Huh? The client gets a PDF copy of the contract as soon as they click 'submit'. How can I change anything in the seconds it takes from them clicking submit to seeing it in their own personal inbox?

I can think of quite a few just off the top of my head, especially as the signature is digitised.

Maybe I'm just old fashioned when it comes to legal documents.

 

[Puddle Jumper]

The note is 5". The iPad is 9.7". The iPad is ubiquitous. The note isnt. 2 things that put the note at a distinct disadvantage.

What is the better product for the purpose? and what functionality will it bring to the table?

Dell Latitude ST for one, one again it has an active digitizer and Windows for improved security and better options for application development

You need a 9.7" screen to get a signature?

I can think of quite a few just off the top of my head, especially as the signature is digitised.

Maybe I'm just old fashioned when it comes to legal documents.

It's not just you, I would never sign a important contract without a physical copy in hand. I have no guarantees about what his app is putting in or omitting from the final signed copy I get in an email.

 

[cheezy321]

I can think of quite a few just off the top of my head, especially as the signature is digitised.

Maybe I'm just old fashioned when it comes to legal documents.

At my old job for contracts all we needed was an email reply from the client that said 'I agree - first name last name'. We never had any legal problems with that format either.

I don't know what you are smoking to think 2 printed copies is a better way of doing this. Every client would laugh at me if I brought a laptop, a 3G hotspot stick and a printer to my meetings. Especially for an internet based business.