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Oof.

Reinstalled Klite (after installing the XP Codec pack), and now it works 😱

That being said, best way to tell my frame count? Serenity looks damn smooth, even with EQ II running in the background (if you can believe it).
 
:thumbsup:
For stats:
In MPC - go to View --> Statistics
In moonlight - there's a little "I" to the left of the "Exit" button; hit that and then the "Renderer Statistics" tab.

I love all this HD stuff. Could not believe it could get any better than DVD and well...
 
MPC:
Frame Rate (shown at completion): 23.96 (1x)
Sync Offset (avg): 0ms
Sync Offset (dev): 3ms
Frames Drawn: 3397
Frames Dropped: 0
Jitter: 3ms
Buffers: -
 
Originally posted by: Eug
HOLY FRICK!!!!111 :shocked:

Play this video on your PC with QuickTime 6.5. You'll see that the video isn't very impressive, right? That's what I thought when I was watching it on my Windows box.

Then I came home and played it on my Mac, running Tiger.

This screengrab shows you what I get in QuickTime 7, with H.264.

That's ultra crisp 640x480, at only 676 Kbps my friends. :Q

It seems the web page senses what version of QT you're running. If QT6 - crap. If QT7 - frickin' amazing. :thumbsup:
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QT6 vs. QT7

Originally posted by: HN
Originally posted by: Eug

*** Here is the H.264 QT7 version of the video ***
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Strangeness with this one:
1. MPC: with .avi extension - long pause (frozen desktop/mouse) for a few seconds then nothing; no sound, no video.
With .mov extension - no pause, but no video, only audio.

2. moonlight - long pause, then nothing
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Hmmm... I just tested this on my P4 and it doesn't work in Moonlight for me either. I'll have to figure it out when I get home. In the meantime you can check out the above comparison screengrabs.
 
Is this any different than the WMV HD video on the MS site?

I put "Step Into Liquid" On Dual 2.0 G5 and it ran like Sh!t.
 
Originally posted by: bjc112
Is this any different than the WMV HD video on the MS site?

I put "Step Into Liquid" On Dual 2.0 G5 and it ran like Sh!t.
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I can playback the WMV HD clips without drop frames, but the BBC clip in the original post, I can only get 10FPS. So you decide.
 
I had no problems with the QT7 stuff, but haven't tried Step into Liquid in a while. Maybe it's time I compare.
 
Oops..no idea how I got an empty post, so I'll fill it in with some data. 🙂

However, I can't seem to find the link to Return to Liquid atm.

I'll run through some benchmarking tests with various systems if someone wants me to.
 
eelw, what system? Your "main" seems o'erkill, CPU-wise. Is HT enabled? Mayhaps the software audio is dragging it down? Which decoder, filters and renderer are active during playback?

Can anyone (mayhaps someone with a Mac) provide a direct link to the NASA clip to compare with the BBC, since they are the same resolution? I exhausted all my intarweb powers trying to find it already 😛
 
Originally posted by: Auric
eelw, what system? Your "main" seems o'erkill, CPU-wise. Is HT enabled? Mayhaps the software audio is dragging it down? Which decoder, filters and renderer are active during playback?
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No, my 3.4c is in line with Hn's 3.4e where he got around 15FPS for the BBC clip. Browsing through the posts, I noticed that you said you got 22.5FPS on the BBC clip? What's your system specs?
 
Originally posted by: Auric
eelw, what system? Your "main" seems o'erkill, CPU-wise. Is HT enabled? Mayhaps the software audio is dragging it down? Which decoder, filters and renderer are active during playback?

Can anyone (mayhaps someone with a Mac) provide a direct link to the NASA clip to compare with the BBC, since they are the same resolution? I exhausted all my intarweb powers trying to find it already 😛
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i tried for a while trying to get the URL of the actual file but keep getting redirected to a QuickTime 7 needed movie. And I'm pretty good at this stuff 😕

you'll have to get somebody with quicktime 7 to do view file source once it opens.
 
Originally posted by: eelw
No, my 3.4c is in line with Hn's 3.4e where he got around 15FPS for the BBC clip. Browsing through the posts, I noticed that you said you got 22.5FPS on the BBC clip? What's your system specs?
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Actually, that was the first test and I had a bunch of other schtuff going on... later the average was higher and ends at full rate and prolly does play back at full rate (real time) except for the first few seconds. 3.0E @ 3.6 / Audigy / Radeon (see sig).
 
Originally posted by: Auric 3.0E @ 3.6 / Audigy / Radeon (see sig).
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Oh DUH!!!! Just reading your sig, I assumed with was some picture not a link to your systems.

I guess the extra 200 MHz and the Prescott core is enough to allow no frames dropped. Anyhow though, the AVC/h.264 codec is most definitely more CPU intensive that Microsoft's WMV HD.
 
Originally posted by: Eug
Table of H.264 HD performance on various CPUs
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Nice job. Couple of things to fix (in bold):

xtknight (BBC) Athlon 64 3500+ 2.2 GHz 10 (Moonlight player, 100% CPU)

Fixed. 😀 I only get 10 FPS with the BBC one. Also, what type of Quicktime file is the CNBC one? The one you specified is not playing on anything here. Edit: Well, actually, never mind. Now it says I get 24 FPS, but still have 100% CPU. Maybe it's bugged. 😕

Edit: Hold up, I'm currently in the process of hacking the mov files. I'll post the QT6 and QT7 valid URLs here in a second. That file is called a reference QuickTime movie where it detects the version and sends you to another reference file, which selects bitrate, and there you are.
 
Eug, tack on the FX55 with no FPS drop whatsoever (I'll be happy to provide screenshots).

I'm going to do some runs on some other machines as well to give you as much of a PC sided spectrum as I can, if you'd like.
 
xtknight, stuff corrected.

Ronin, added but which 1080p clip? Serenity?

Anyways, it seems a 2.2+ GHz Athlon 64 can do 1920x816 at 24 fps.

I'm guessing it'd probably take something like a P4 3.4-3.8 or single G5 2.5 to do the same. (It works fine for a dual G5 1.8.)
 
Originally posted by: Eug
xtknight, stuff corrected.

Ronin, added but which 1080p clip? Serenity?

Anyways, it seems a 2.2+ GHz Athlon 64 can do 1920x816 at 24 fps.

I'm guessing it'd probably take something like a P4 3.4-3.8 or single G5 2.5 to do the same. (It works fine for a dual G5 1.8.)
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Hmm. I'm guessing the statistics dialog in Moonlight has a bug in it. Last time it says I had 10 FPS. Now I play it and I'm getting a fluid 21 FPS with no frames dropped. 99% CPU usage and it feels like it's running 21 FPS. So I guess you better put that under my BBC result. Sorry about that. I'll provide links to the 4 bitrates of that CNBC clip.
 
Eug, yeah, it was Serenity. Going to spend some time today (if I'm not doing Mother's Day stuff) running through some tests/comparisons with Serenity and BBC.
 
CNBC Apple Tiger Clip

Decoded from http://images.apple.com/movies/us/apple/tiger/cnbc-67-ref.mov reference movie.

Note: Right click these and click Save Target As/Save Link As.

QT6/100Kbps? (2.25 MB) http://images.apple.com/movies/us/apple/tiger/cnbc_pt2_m100.mov
QT6/600Kbps? (9.07 MB) http://images.apple.com/movies/us/apple/tiger/cnbc_pt2_m600.mov

H.264/100Kbps? (6.60 MB) http://images.apple.com/movies/us/apple/tiger/cnbc_h264_m100.mov
H.264/600Kbps? (12.60 MB) http://images.apple.com/movies/us/apple/tiger/cnbc_h264_m600.mov

Eug, can you do Auric/me a favor by getting the direct URL of the NASA HD clip with your Mac? You may be able to skip all this if your QuickTime allows you to save the movie like you did with the CNBC one. What I did was I took the reference movie (-ref) and opened it with Notepad. It had some binary data then the name of two files that referenced to QT6 version and QT7 version. I opened both the QT6 and QT7 references and each of those again contained another two files based on bitrate/size. Then I just replaced the end of the reference movie URL, in bold (http://images.apple.com/.../.../xxxxx-ref.mov) with the direct URL (from the QT6/QT7 reference files). That's a mouthful, but it was really easy. So easy it didn't warrant me making a program to do it. 😀 Note: sometimes there's only one reference file with two direct links in it. Sometimes the reference files links to another reference file which links to another reference file, and it's a whole chain of reference files until the last one is actually bigger than 1K and you can assume it has video.
 
DAPUNISHER: Added, but what frame rate approx for the first machine?

xtknight: I tried loading the trailer in Mac OS X's TextEdit, but it hung.
 
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