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Apple New "Microsoft" of mobile devices?

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You guys think apple is the new "microsoft" when it comes to mobile devices? They are practically suing every company that uses android now, and they are refusing to license. I think it is pathetic that apple is destroying android.
 
HFS+ said:
You guys think apple is the new "microsoft" when it comes to mobile devices? They are practically suing every company that uses android now, and they are refusing to license. I think it is pathetic that apple is destroying android.
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Apple learned what they did wrong the first time around. Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.

Destroying could mean different things. In marketshare, there are more Android phones than iOS phones. But in terms of profit, Apple is making a killing on their devices.
 
ChAoTiCpInOy said:
Apple learned what they did wrong the first time around. Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.

Destroying could mean different things. In marketshare, there are more Android phones than iOS phones. But in terms of profit, Apple is making a killing on their devices.
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Duh.

Apple own and license the whole Iphone brand while Android is utilized within different corporations. I don't know how long Apple can keep up their Iphone dominance.

It seems to me that Iphones are losing their foot holding. They got lazy with the 4s and with jobs out of the picture....
 
HFS+ said:
You guys think apple is the new "microsoft" when it comes to mobile devices?
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Not really. Microsoft was never that litigious. They damaged the market by using their dominant position to either shove smaller players out of the market by bundling their own products with the OS or by spreading enough FUD to dampen sales until a competing Microsoft product came out, if it even made it beyond the vaporware stage.

Also, whereas Microsoft was very successful with their endeavors, Apple really hasn't done much beside getting a small number of devices banned for a few months in one or two smaller markets. At this time, Apple hasn't been able to win permanently or with anything that can't be worked around.
 
kyrax12 said:
Duh.

Apple own and license the whole Iphone brand while Android is utilized within different corporations. I don't know how long Apple can keep up their Iphone dominance.

It seems to me that Iphones are losing their foot holding. They got lazy with the 4s and with jobs out of the picture....
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Kind of like Mac OS X (only limited to apple hardware - iOS iphone) vs Windows (open to many manufacturers - Android). I think 5-10 years from now the proportion of iOS / Android users will be similar to OS X / Windows users.
 
Shlong said:
Kind of like Mac OS X (only limited to apple hardware - iOS iphone) vs Windows (open to many manufacturers - Android). I think 5-10 years from now the proportion of iOS / Android users will be similar to OS X / Windows users.
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Apple learned from their mistake in letting Microsoft catch up to them in the PC business. I don't think that it will be the same for iOS. Even if it is, Apple is still the more profitable of all handset manufacturers.
 
Yeah the stereotype with MS was buying out the competition and fleecing them or strong-arming everyone in the market, not suing everybody to death.
 
Apple is in no way trying to destroy Android.
Apple is trying to make Android compete in the marketplace.

Fair competition in the marketplace includes government protections from theft of intellectual property. To level the playing field of stolen features, Apple is using the courts to enforce their patents so everyone is playing fair.

If this results in the removal of features form Android then that may or may not impact sales.

Oracle on the other hand......
 
I would welcome this. As much as I hate their PCs and laptops, they make amazing mobile devices and manage to ship more phones with only 1 revision per year than any other manufacturer ships with their 7-10 different Android devices a year.
 
The new MS? I don't see how. MS for over 20 years has been the de facto PC OS, and did so essentially by default. Apple's reputation is essentially on build quality and OS, but Android handles just as well, and Samsung is starting to rival Apple in brand terms/awareness. 2011 essentially was Samsung's year, Apple only had the 4S to show for it, and that was only a minor upgrade from the 4.
 
I really don't understand the point of these threads, IMHO, the only company "hurt" by Apple is RIM, (and Android impacts RIM just as much), and it's because RIM is essentially mis-managed.

Any Android manufacturers going out of business last year? This year? No.

Any manufacturers making a ton of cash? Yes, because it's an expanding market, smartphones comprise 10% of the worldwide phone market at this point, there's massive growth to come for years.

Everyone gets whipped up into a frenzy and becomes polarized about this crap, and essentially, it's a non issue, it's massive corporations playing you into thinking any of this crap matters. I post here and pay attention to the numbers, etc because I'm actively investing in the sector, as an end user very little of the drama has any effect on me at all.

All of these corporations are making billions from us and conning us into one camp or the other.

Namaste y'all.

(in the interests of full disclosure, I have a shit ton of Apple stock, and am up $25,000 in the last 2 weeks, I'll likely make $50K on Apple's run up to earnings. If it wasn't so dammed hard to invest in Android as a pure play, I'd invest in them too. My rationalle for owning a smartphone is to trade stocks on the run and check stock prices, I made a trade in the bathroom at work today 🙂 )
 
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Pliablemoose said:
I really don't understand the point of these threads, IMHO, the only company "hurt" by Apple is RIM, (and Android impacts RIM just as much), and it's because RIM is essentially mis-managed.

Any Android manufacturers going out of business last year? This year? No.

Any manufacturers making a ton of cash? Yes, because it's an expanding market, smartphones comprise 10% of the worldwide phone market at this point, there's massive growth to come for years.

Everyone gets whipped up into a frenzy and becomes polarized about this crap, and essentially, it's a non issue, it's massive corporations playing you into thinking any of this crap matters. I post here and pay attention to the numbers, etc because I'm actively investing in the sector, as an end user very little of the drama has any effect on me at all.

All of these corporations are making billions from us and conning us into one camp or the other.

Namaste y'all.

(in the interests of full disclosure, I have a shit ton of Apple stock, and am up $25,000 in the last 2 weeks, I'll likely make $50K on Apple's run up to earnings. If it wasn't so dammed hard to invest in Android as a pure play, I'd invest in them too. My rationalle for owning a smartphone is to trade stocks on the run and check stock prices, I made a trade in the bathroom at work today 🙂 )
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You own $560,000 worth of Apple stock? Impressive.
 
chronox said:
"I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple's $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong. I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this."

http://www.dailytech.com/Steve+Jobs...Because+Its+a+Stolen+Product/article23077.htm
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The operative phrase is "stolen tech".
Yes, Apple will use its resources to remove stolen intellectual property from Android.
If that means that as a byproduct Android is destroy then, Android is destroyed.

It all boils down to intellectual property. Google didn't play fair. Apple must now use the courts to level the playing field.
 
A more accurate title for this thread would be: Apple is the Old "Apple" of mobile devices. Unlike Microsoft, Apple has a long history of suing for such others for such silly things as somebody else's fruit logo looking to close their own.

Likewise, Microsoft's goal for almost everything they own is to license it. Why do you think MS-DOS was available to any manufacturer and the general public? In other words, MS was willing to license DOS to anybody.

I guess since people nowadays think Apple is/was some saint of a company, we will see more revisionist history in the future. What is sad is that people will believe it.
 
Pretty Cool said:
A more accurate title for this thread would be: Apple is the Old "Apple" of mobile devices. Unlike Microsoft, Apple has a long history of suing for such others for such silly things as somebody else's fruit logo looking to close their own.

Likewise, Microsoft's goal for almost everything they own is to license it. Why do you think MS-DOS was available to any manufacturer and the general public? In other words, MS was willing to license DOS to anybody.

I guess since people nowadays think Apple is/was some saint of a company, we will see more revisionist history in the future. What is sad is that people will believe it.
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Apple learned well from Apple.

Apple, MS, RIM, Google, Samsung, etc., they're all corporations. If you think one is less evil than another, you're sadly mistaken. Even Google whose motto of "do no evil" is just a catch phrase. Google's dirty laundry is not aired as much as Apple (or MS) but it is there.
 
chronox said:
"I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple's $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong. I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this."

http://www.dailytech.com/Steve+Jobs...Because+Its+a+Stolen+Product/article23077.htm
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And God willing, Steve, I will see to it that it's done in your honour.

But seriously. It's in his biography. Steve knew that Android stole everything Apple had in their smartphone OS and just made a watered down, crappy version of it.
 
he didn't say this with Windows... mainly because he took it from Xerox first. And before people say "But Steve got 'permission' to steal it!" Xerox DID try to sue apple for using their UI!

But and yes... the water falls deeper: Apple allowed Xerox to purchase Apple pre-IPO stock in exchange for a "GUI" product (not necessarily a computer). But this was really watered down to the point that Steve basically wanted the whole GUI, including the Mouse. But this was lost in confusion so that when Xerox found out what was actually going on, they tried to sue!

Thus, Steve didn't say he wanted to hunt down Microsoft to his last breath. But iOS, is something Apple genuinely created!
 
finbarqs said:
Thus, Steve didn't say he wanted to hunt down Microsoft to his last breath. But iOS, is something Apple genuinely created!
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I think a lot of it has to do with the culture at Google.
It is no shock that all the people who work at Google who are at the center of all of these controversies worked for companies that are now suing Google.
 
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