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Apple Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger - ** ANANDTECH'S REVIEW POSTED **
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imported_Lucifer
Diamond Member
I think I am going to have to buy Tiger now because of you guys! 🙂
uOpt
Golden Member
That is misleading. This means that the whole applications, as in what is running in one process, is forced into 32 bit mode.
Only if you build a process boundary between your core application and the GUI will the core application be able to use 32 bit address space.
I don't know in specific but it is possible that the 32 bit environment on Tiger will free the top (usually reserved for the kernel) gigabyte, so you would at least go from 3 to 4 GB. This is the case on AMD64, hopefully it will be for Tiger, too.
Brent of Liquid5th
Junior Member
You should be able to run irssi compiled for anything 10.2 and past. Also DarwinPorts is a great package manager for OS X, and seems to be gearing up for a 1.0 release shortly after Tiger. Nonetheless you can download below a .pkg I compiled for you using said DarwinPorts in Tiger 8A425.
http://brent.warehouse6.com/misc/irssi.tgz
This installs in /opt/local. You will probably have to add it to your $PATH.
http://brent.warehouse6.com/misc/irssi.tgz
This installs in /opt/local. You will probably have to add it to your $PATH.
Ciber
Platinum Member
Have you actually tried this build and connected to a network?
I already made builds with both darwinports and fink, the problem is that the built clients won't connect to any network, they just sit at "Looking up irc.freenode.net" or whatever server or ip that i tell it to connect to.
Same issue with your build heh.
Brent of Liquid5th
Junior Member
Interesting..even IP's don't work. I'll take a look into it when i get back from rehearsal...
Does BitchX work?
Does BitchX work?
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Lifer
I'm not a coder, but here are my $0.02...
Standard 32-bit apps in even 10.3 Panther can access the full 4 GB per process AFAIK. Panther can also address more than 4 GB total (for multiple processes), and with current memory modules, that means 8 GB (although the hardware can support 16 GB). ie. This means that Panther can run multiple 32-bit apps simultaneously with 4 GB per process, with a cumulative memory usage of up to 16 GB with current hardware.
This will not change in Tiger. ie. Tiger will still allow multiple 32-bit apps access that 4 GB per process, running concurrently. What Tiger will bring is the the ability to support 64-bit command line apps, to access greater than 4 GB per process. Furthermore, you'll be able to run 32-bit apps accessing 4 GB per process, and 64-bit apps accessing over 4 GB side by side (assuming you have enough RAM).
However, you're right in that if you want a GUI for your 64-bit app it won't be in the same process. It sounds like a PITA, but I suppose the good news is the majority of apps that require 64-bit memory access are command line only anyway, and there is full backwards compatibility of 32-bit apps and drivers in the same OS. One OS for all hardware. ie. I will be running the 64-bit Tiger on my G4 Cube and my G4 PowerBook, both of which are 32-bit only.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, because like I said, I'm not a coder.
From here:
Adding a GUI to a 64-bit Application
As mentioned earlier, the use of a 64-bit address space is limited to non-GUI applications in Tiger. This doesn't mean, however, that the results of a 64-bit enabled computation can't be displayed on the screen. The strategy that you should use is to create two separate executables that are cooperative. These are:
- A 32-bit based Cocoa or Carbon GUI executable that the user can launch and which presents the application's user-interface.
- A 64-bit based command-line tool that is launched by, and under the control of, the GUI.
Once the 64-bit executable has been launched, communication between the two executables can be accomplished using one or more of the following strategies:
- Simple message passing using the standard input and output pipes of the command-line task.
- Message passing using a UNIX domain socket.
- Shared memory.
- Mach based IPC messaging.
Any of these strategies will work. However, you should use the simplest possible strategy for your application so that you can preserve future flexibility. For example, if you use a filesystem-based socket to communicate between the 32-bit and 64-bit executables in your application, you have the ability to later convert your application to use a TCP/IP client-server approach. This would let you run the 32-bit client on any Mac while communicating with a 64-bit server process running on a G5-based Xserve.
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Lifer
Tiger was released today. I like the new all black front page at Apple. 🙂
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* PowerPC G5, G4 or G3 processor
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Initiating a multiway video conference requires a G5 or dual 1GHz or faster G4 processor and 384-Kbps or faster broadband access. Participating in a multiway video conference and initiating a 6-person multiway audio conference both require a G5, 1GHz G4, dual 800MHz or faster G4 processor, and 100-Kbps or faster broadband access.
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Specs and requirements:
* PowerPC G5, G4 or G3 processor
* Built-in FireWire
* At least 256MB of physical RAM
Video conferencing requires a compatible FireWire DV camera or web camera and broadband Internet access. One-to-one video conferencing requires a G5, G4, or 600MHz or faster G3 processor and 100-Kbps or faster broadband access.
Initiating a multiway video conference requires a G5 or dual 1GHz or faster G4 processor and 384-Kbps or faster broadband access. Participating in a multiway video conference and initiating a 6-person multiway audio conference both require a G5, 1GHz G4, dual 800MHz or faster G4 processor, and 100-Kbps or faster broadband access.
$129
Cool Dashboard movie: iComic
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