Apple Mac Mini Review (mid 2010): My Take

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Here's my take (diatribe) on the latest Mac-Mini review... Remember it's just my opinion, and nothing personal to all zealots, fanatics, sympathizers etc...

This is nothing but another overpriced Apple rehash of old-technology into a small, shiny, sleek, box. Profiteering for "Apple" is merely how to out fox the fanatical, tech-obsessed "Mac-phile" user base, out of their snidely earned cash.

It's way out of date, comes with sub-standard parts, no BR, "mini" crap ports, sub-par full HDMI port blah blah. Oh and the PRICE? I know the editors have to give Apple a soft, white pillow to slam them down on, but come on... Take a look at these quotes right here;

"The user experience of the Mac mini is noticeably diminished by only having 2GB of memory."

“There are actually no input devices included in the purchase price, so expect to add another $120 if you want an Apple keyboard and Magic Mouse ($140 if you want them to both be wireless). There’s no remote included either, although Apple’s IR remotes do work with the mini.”

That's a very polite way of saying something (honest) such as, "Apple is again cutting corners in the hardware department, yet making it seem 'adequate' for most users." Is 2GB "fine" for 8/10 “users” (highly ambiguous!?) YEP sure is. I work with a huge Win/OSX client base and NOBODY is screaming about needing 4GB of ram, but the industry standard IS 4GB now. 2 is "acceptable," but not up to pace. It's per user's demands, but (in general) anyone with experience dealing with "Apple" knows they've cut corners again. You just softened the blow.

Let’s recap; SEVEN HUNDRED DOLLARS ($820*) for:

-No peripherals*---WTF?
--Dated CPU
---Sub-par Ram (should I bother asking about timings/quality of the Dimms, lol?)
----Sketchy Vid-output connections (HDMI 1900x1200!)
-----Sub-par GPU vs a laptop (all it is stuffed in a small box)
----Sub-par 5400rpm HD. (Is this a joke?)
---No SSD???
--PRICE! (Overpriced KB/M?)
-No IR remote (this IS marketed as an HTPC?!)

And lastly... dealing with "Apple" is nothing but a PITA if you're not blindly "appeased" with what they've attempted to brainwash you into buying, and then spoon-fed to you. Oh BTW... it's up to YOU to provide your own bib and paper towel to wipe off all that drool. That is until you use the thing and realize; OMFG I shoulda gotten a smaller LAPTOP instead.
__Apple MARKETING is very, very keen on deception and mental-washing and this is how; SMALL FORM FACTORING (SFF). SFF'ing is nothing but a MARKETING ploy. They've cleverly found that most of their servile user base WILL pay more for less, IF they present it to them in a "sleek" SFF foot print. The general “user base” rarely knows more about their $700 "toy" than how to use their own cel-phone. As long as it's in SFF, “sleek and chic” looking, they can subtly boast and coo over it when they have guests over to view NON-BR movies lmfao!
__This is nothing but a deceptively, ingenious, conspired ploy to reap profit from old-bulk purchased/refurb/or left-over parts from older (possible refurbed) machines. Call it recycled-reconstituted-resales (RRR); the SFF-RRR marketing ploy has been Apple’s mantra for years and their “user base” are still blinded with the vanity of the SFF and it’s wanna-be futuristic looks. “Yes look, it’s SOOO tiny, yet it does EVERYTHING I need…” Is that right; too bad they’ll never know just how little they’ve gotten for as much as they are conned into paying. Serves you suckers right.

Once again; SHAME on the editors for pillow-slamming Apple when they SHOULD have said straight up “this is LESSER hardware/performance for MORE money.” I digress…
 

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I realize the hardware spec is not so great, but it is the cheapest way (buying new) for someone like myself to get the MacIntosh Operating system.

That being said, I am not sure how much better MacIntosh is compared to Windows because I have never used Apple before.
 

v12v12

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I realize the hardware spec is not so great, but it is the cheapest way (buying new) for someone like myself to get the MacIntosh Operating system.

That being said, I am not sure how much better MacIntosh is compared to Windows because I have never used Apple before.


Hi, firstly—thanks for the reply! I'm not bashing OSX at all... I'm merely pointing out the obvious marketing ploy. In reality, aside from in-house design, "Apple" is nothing but an OS; the hardware IS INTEL/Windows based with a few customized security chips added...

Cheapest way? You could get a pre-owned Mac-book, or hackintosh and install OSX on a VM or on certain hardware already tested (search it, there's tons) by forum members.... OS X is a good, solid OS; I particularly don't like the layout and the GUI, but it is usable.

I'm not trying to discourage anyone from getting OS X, I'm merely pointing out the hardware con-game that represents Apple's Mantra. Note they try and minimize the labeling of INTEL hardware, is that just happenstance? No people, they purposefully downplay having someone else's hardware and subtly misrepresenting it as "Apple's'" "innovation." It's a farce; Apple is a marketing corporation that sells computer hardware and accessories; in order of importance D:!

Think about Apple "design" and efficiency claims; the rubberized disc picture below. This huge disc Vs rubber "feet" ... WHICH is going to allow more airflow underneath the unit, thus aiding in passive/semi-active cooling? It's design flaws and omissions like this, which are SPUN and resold as "innovation" or "advancement," which make me laugh at Apple... another small, contradictory example of Apple's marketing prowess.




If the Mac-Mini was a car and accurately represented Vs similar competition/alternatives; they couldn't give them away, lol...
 
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cbn

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Think about Apple "design" and efficiency claims; the rubberized disc picture below. This huge disc Vs rubber "feet" ... WHICH is going to allow more airflow underneath the unit, thus aiding in passive/semi-active cooling? It's design flaws and omissions like this, which are SPUN and resold as "innovation" or "advancement," which make me laugh at Apple... another small, contradictory example of Apple's marketing prowess.


Well the Mac Book Pro Laptops don't have vents on the bottom either.

P.S. Wouldn't that help reduce dust accumulation?
 

v12v12

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Well the Mac Book Pro Laptops don't have vents on the bottom either.

P.S. Wouldn't that help reduce dust accumulation?


The MBPro is built from a unibody aluminum shell, which is a heatsink; the whole unit serves to cool all the tightly attached components etc...

The "feet" merely lift the object off the surface which it rests, thus reducing heat buildup from flat surfaces, and allowing semi-active airflow. I wasn't implying venting the bottom of the unit's shell, just keeping it off flat surfaces, reducing point-of-contact etc...
 

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you know that saying you can polish a turd but it is still a turd.
macs have always been pretty, overpriced and only so-so internals. but then some people only buy things based on looks. kind of like how sony is epitome of overpriced mediocrity
 

VinylxScratches

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A bit harsh... is there anything non Mac that is the same size and comparable? I was never able to find anything...
 

zylander

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A bit harsh... is there anything non Mac that is the same size and comparable? I was never able to find anything...

This. One of the big selling points of the mini is it's size. You won't find any windows desktop the same size as the mini with the same functionality.

I do believe that the mini is a bit over priced and should include a keyboard/mouse. But, the biggest problem I have with arguments like the OPs is that people look at the hardware used by Apple from a windows standpoint. The "dated CPU" and "sub par ram" would not be adequate for something like vista but it runs OSX perfectly fine.

It's like when people compare the iPhone to the nexus one saying the iPhone sucks because it doesn't have a 1ghz CPU. Well the iPhone doesn't need a 1ghz CPU, it can run it's OS perfectly fine with a slower CPU.
 

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I've not found anything that compact with the same level of performance.

I have an old core solo mini at work for testing our Mac apps, and it is a very nice little computer. If the new mini was $100-200 cheaper it would be a great playback-only HTPC for hulu, fox, iTunes, Amazon store, DVDs, music. If Jobs didn't hate blu-ray then adding a BD drive and software would move it from great to near-perfect.

No, I'm not an Apple fanboy -- I own an iPod 120GB for the capacity (it was that or a Zune, bleagh) but use no other iStuff and do Windows development at work.
 

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This. One of the big selling points of the mini is it's size. You won't find any windows desktop the same size as the mini with the same functionality.

I do believe that the mini is a bit over priced and should include a keyboard/mouse. But, the biggest problem I have with arguments like the OPs is that people look at the hardware used by Apple from a windows standpoint. The "dated CPU" and "sub par ram" would not be adequate for something like vista but it runs OSX perfectly fine.

It's like when people compare the iPhone to the nexus one saying the iPhone sucks because it doesn't have a 1ghz CPU. Well the iPhone doesn't need a 1ghz CPU, it can run it's OS perfectly fine with a slower CPU.

Dude, you can hack the lcd off most laptops and get better performance than the mac mini. Selling crap for gold is what apple does.
 

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I've not found anything that compact with the same level of performance.

I have an old core solo mini at work for testing our Mac apps, and it is a very nice little computer. If the new mini was $100-200 cheaper it would be a great playback-only HTPC for hulu, fox, iTunes, Amazon store, DVDs, music. If Jobs didn't hate blu-ray then adding a BD drive and software would move it from great to near-perfect.

No, I'm not an Apple fanboy -- I own an iPod 120GB for the capacity (it was that or a Zune, bleagh) but use no other iStuff and do Windows development at work.

Really? Have you look at a laptop lately?
 

DaveSimmons

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Laptop form factor is not the mini form factor.

You can buy $700 laptops with discrete graphics and a faster CPU, but they are much larger than the mini and not necessarily as quiet. They also won't have a front facing slot-loading DVD drive.

The mini is a luxury item at the current price, but a $400 laptop with integrated graphics isn't a substitute if you want something that small.
 
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poofyhairguy

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I've not found anything that compact with the same level of performance.

For years that was the best way to excuse the overpriced mini. That doesn't fly this year:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=10440897&PID=3332167&SID=

Nearly same size. Much stronger processor. Blu Ray drive. 4GB RAM. Comes WITH the remote and USB3. Hundreds less than equivalent $999 Mac Mini model.

Today a Mac Mini can be nothing but yet another overpriced Apple computer, there is nothing special about it anymore.

Which is why, until Apple comes to its senses with its desktop line, I am more than happy to hackintosh....
 
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zylander

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For years that was the best way to excuse the overpriced mini. That doesn't fly this year:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...D=3332167&SID=

Nearly same size. Much stronger processor. Blu Ray drive. 4GB RAM. Comes WITH the remote and USB3. Hundreds less than equivalent $999 Mac Mini model.

Today a Mac Mini can be nothing but yet another overpriced Apple computer, there is nothing special about it anymore.

Which is why, until Apple comes to its senses with its desktop line, I am more than happy to hackintosh....

Thats a barebone system genius, so on top of the $699 price tag for the unit you still need to buy; an OS, software, CPU, RAM and HD. After all that you are looking at a total price the same if not more than the mini. AND, the mini will probably run its OS better than that will run windows.
 

DaveSimmons

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^ actually the $700 includes blu-ray drive, CPU, 4 GB RAM, 500 GB HDD. Just no Windows or playback software.
 

zylander

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Ah, you are correct, I did not see the list at the bottom of the page in the features column. (thats weird to list it down there)

But what Simmons said still stands, after the cost of software you are right up there with the cost of an upgraded mini.
 

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Note they try and minimize the labeling of INTEL hardware, is that just happenstance?

Anandtech Mac Mini (mid 2010) review said:
The hardware may sound dated since it isn’t using Intel’s Core i3/i5 processors, but we’re limited by space. Apple is unwilling to ship any of its Macs with just Intel integrated graphics. Apple wants a huge installed base of Macs with OpenCL capable GPUs for some reason. And since NVIDIA isn’t allowed to build chipsets for the Core i-whatever processors, Apple would have to go to a three chip solution in order to have a Core i-whatever, Intel’s associated chipset and an AMD/NVIDIA GPU. In size constrained products (e.g. 13-inch MacBook Pro or the new Mac mini), Apple prefers to use a Core 2 generation CPU and a single chip NVIDIA IGP to fit the form factor and GPU requirements.

If size continues to be a constraint, what are the chances Apple picks up AMD Llano for the 13" Mac Book and Mac Mini? And how would you feel about that?
 
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I bought my parents a mini way back in teh day. Like 5 years ago and it's still works great for them. Didn't have the best specs back then either, but it still does everything they want it to today.

The small form factor along with the better OS and lack of viruses/malware was all something they noticed right away just by using it. Would they have noticed a difference with slightly upgraded hardware, probably not.
 

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For years that was the best way to excuse the overpriced mini. That doesn't fly this year:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...D=3332167&SID=

Nearly same size. Much stronger processor. Blu Ray drive. 4GB RAM. Comes WITH the remote and USB3. Hundreds less than equivalent $999 Mac Mini model.

Today a Mac Mini can be nothing but yet another overpriced Apple computer, there is nothing special about it anymore.

Which is why, until Apple comes to its senses with its desktop line, I am more than happy to hackintosh....


It's also ugly. Comes with intel integrated graphics. Doesn't run OSX unless you hackintosh it which defeats the ease of use and things just working in OSX.

Just speculation but I'm going to guess it's also louder and hotter than the mini.
 

Zargon

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i3's dont run that hot at all. 32nm ftw. as for louder. probably. intel integrated gfx are getting very usuable.

LOL at no malware/virus comment though