Apple lawsuit for loss of hearing of IPOD

[spidey07]

while a lawsuit might not be necessary, people listen to their portable players way too loud.

hearing damage is about Sound Pressure Level and time. so listening super loud for one song is as bad as moderately loud for a workout.

I wouldn't be surprised if there has been a high percentage of people using these things that have measurable hearing damage.

-edit- what I mean is hearing damage is a cumulative thing and people don't even realize they are permanently damaging their ears.

 

[VIAN]

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: VIAN

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: VIAN
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=579

I think the volume on all personal music devices like the IPOD should be limited in volume so that it won't damage your hearing.

And I think you're an idiot. So is anyone who turns up an IPOD loud enough to cause hearing loss.

Well, I think it's stupid to include something that's not usefull don't you think dumbass. What's the point of having all that volume if you're not gonna use it. Nothing wrong with cutting it off if it's useless. Face it - it's advertising. Everybody looks for the loudest player. Just like when people buy a TV they use the nasty preset options available to them. However, loud music does damage to your ears unlike buying a TV. So, if it is that important, someone should force companies to limit the volume to a reasonable amount where it won't damage your ears within a certain period.

I love how all the nazi's come out with threads like this.

So you want the companies and government to completely control your life eh? Yes, they should control everything - volume on an iPod is only the beginning. I want them to start fining companies like McDonalds for every big mac they sell - I want budweiser to start selling only non-alcoholic beer. I'm a fvcking retard.

They should start educating people more thoroughly and proudly. And not hide behind some BS that allows them to make money out of F-ing people over. You wouldn't know that loud music listened to continuously hurt your ears if no one told you. Well, they have told us, but now how do we apply that knowledge to the equpiment they are selling us.

Sht, the FCC controls what we listen to on the radio. So many other people "attempt" to regular our food so that it stays safe to eat. How about we all give that up and let us die of diseases, I'm all for it.

 

[Kadarin]

VIAN, no offense, but this is a really stupid thing to complain about.

 

[mattyrug]

plain stupid, They'll probally just slap a big warning label on the thing. I own a Live Sound and Lighting Company, and we often joke about the day we get sued for mixing a show too loud. No more joking, It'll probally happen sooner, than later. It's to the point now where I spend $1800 on a speaker, only to have the warning label bigger than the product logo (i'm exagerating, of course).

The problem is 'Percieved' loudness. 100dB of some kinds of music won't seem loud, and 95dB of others will seem way to loud. Maybe they should use a hard limiter that will do away with most of the dynamic range (that's the way most albums are being mixed now anyway). Too many variables with recorded music, what's too loud for some, isn't loud for others.
Edit - I forgot to say that they should TRY to educate people about hearing loss, and how in the short term, it can be reversed, but in the long run it's irreversible. Pete Townsend (of all people) has had some interesting things to say about this, and thinks that people SHOULD try to be educated. Some people won't or don't care though.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: VIAN

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: VIAN
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=579

I think the volume on all personal music devices like the IPOD should be limited in volume so that it won't damage your hearing.

And I think you're an idiot. So is anyone who turns up an IPOD loud enough to cause hearing loss.

Well, I think it's stupid to include something that's not usefull don't you think dumbass. What's the point of having all that volume if you're not gonna use it. Nothing wrong with cutting it off if it's useless. Face it - it's advertising. Everybody looks for the loudest player. Just like when people buy a TV they use the nasty preset options available to them. However, loud music does damage to your ears unlike buying a TV. So, if it is that important, someone should force companies to limit the volume to a reasonable amount where it won't damage your ears within a certain period.

I hope you know the ipod plugs into things OTHER THAN HEADPHONES. You might want the volume higher...

 

[PurdueRy]

Originally posted by: VIAN

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: VIAN

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: VIAN
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=579

I think the volume on all personal music devices like the IPOD should be limited in volume so that it won't damage your hearing.

And I think you're an idiot. So is anyone who turns up an IPOD loud enough to cause hearing loss.

Well, I think it's stupid to include something that's not usefull don't you think dumbass. What's the point of having all that volume if you're not gonna use it. Nothing wrong with cutting it off if it's useless. Face it - it's advertising. Everybody looks for the loudest player. Just like when people buy a TV they use the nasty preset options available to them. However, loud music does damage to your ears unlike buying a TV. So, if it is that important, someone should force companies to limit the volume to a reasonable amount where it won't damage your ears within a certain period.

I love how all the nazi's come out with threads like this.

So you want the companies and government to completely control your life eh? Yes, they should control everything - volume on an iPod is only the beginning. I want them to start fining companies like McDonalds for every big mac they sell - I want budweiser to start selling only non-alcoholic beer. I'm a fvcking retard.

They should start educating people more thoroughly and proudly. And not hide behind some BS that allows them to make money out of F-ing people over. You wouldn't know that loud music listened to continuously hurt your ears if no one told you. Well, they have told us, but now how do we apply that knowledge to the equpiment they are selling us.

Sht, the FCC controls what we listen to on the radio. So many other people "attempt" to regular our food so that it stays safe to eat. How about we all give that up and let us die of diseases, I'm all for it.

The difference is those companies are their to make sure that the product(food) is safe to consume.

Apple and other MP3 player makers products are safe for our use. They don't have the volume defaulted to full blast and it is entirely customizeable considering not all songs are mastered at the same level. A classical CD will often need a higher volume setting than the newest from slipknot.

If you wanted to, I could take that food and drop it on the floor, then eat it. That would make an otherwise safe product dangerous. The same is true for what you are complaining about. The mp3 player is safe, don't blow your ears out and you will be fine.

 

[Kyteland]

Originally posted by: VIAN
Well, I think it's stupid to include something that's not usefull don't you think dumbass. What's the point of having all that volume if you're not gonna use it. Nothing wrong with cutting it off if it's useless. Face it - it's advertising. Everybody looks for the loudest player. Just like when people buy a TV they use the nasty preset options available to them. However, loud music does damage to your ears unlike buying a TV. So, if it is that important, someone should force companies to limit the volume to a reasonable amount where it won't damage your ears within a certain period.

There ought to be a law. Six very dangerous words....

 

[mattyrug]

Originally posted by: PurdueRy
Apple and other MP3 player makers products are safe for our use. They don't have the volume defaulted to full blast and it is entirely customizeable considering not all songs are mastered at the same level. A classical CD will often need a higher volume setting than the newest from slipknot.

Slightly O/T - It's not about the Volume, it's the percieved volume. Record Companies have started a backlash with Engineers. Records are being produced (mastered, actually)to appear to be Louder than the other guys. This is done by limiting the dynamic range (silly, given the dynamic range of digital), and making the volume of EVERY passage of music as close to 'Digital Zero' as possible. This is where I think the need to have everything (musically) louder comes from. Less dynamic range on the recording, less peaks, More overall volume out of your speakers. Compare a Zepplin Album against your favorite New album, you'll notice the difference. They both still hit Zero on the Meters, but the new album will seem a HELL of a lot louder.

They should use something similar to this on the iPod, (Waves L1 or L2) and why not, they're crappy MP3's anyway.

Would you do this with a classical album?? I think not, you want the low passages to be low, and the loud ones to jump out at you.

 

[miniMUNCH]

Originally posted by: VIAN
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=579

I think the volume on all personal music devices like the IPOD should be limited in volume so that it won't damage your hearing.

You can do the same thing with all stereo equipment, shoud I sue Denon? The head phone jack on my computer puts out way more power than my iPod. Should I sue Logitech, or maybe ASUS or Creative.

Rock concerts have unhealthy noise levels...should we sue all rock bands and concert venues?

I bought a gun but I could shoot myself with it...should I sue Glock because they did not engineer the gun so that I could not shoot myself?

This lawsuit is stupid...as an iPod owner, I'll refuse to be party to the class-action lawsuit. I hope they are laughed out of court.

 

[mzkhadir]

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