Apple knows we are going to steal music?

[Chronoshock]

Some guy got his Ipod stolen at school and complained how he had spent his money to buy all the songs on it and that he was losing ~6000 dollars

 

[djheater]

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Gurck
What's most humorous about this is that they employ copy protection with iPods - remember that guy who posted yesterday about losing 20gb of mp3s when his hdd failed and the copy protection scheme deleted them from the iPod? :laugh: BTW, on buying music through iTunes - you're paying CD prices for music that doesn't sound nearly as good. iPods have low sound quality to help mask this.

eh bull, show proof that the output is horrible.

the output, not the headphones. could care less about bundled headphones.

iPods have .42% THD (total harmonic distortion), which is very high; anything over .1% is considered noticeable. The iRivers, for comparisons sake, have .03%. When I was into car audio I used to snicker at the suckers buying the cheap Wal-Mart brand amps that had high THD, Pyramid I think it was... "OMG 5,000 watts 4 onli $25!!1!!1!1" :laugh: iPods also attenuate the bass range; less accurate musical reproductioin = less sound quality. In reviews they score terribly for sound quality.

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However it's got a pretty darn good line output and very good digital performance. While it is a pity that it has such poor headphone output circuitry, the player makes a good candidate for playing lossless files on a home stereo and for audiophiles to use an external headphone amplifier. (I realize that using an external headphone amplifier negates the whole size/portability of the device, but a serious listener might want to use an external amplifier on any device - especially if they like to big Grados or Sennheisers). Still it is a pity that the headphone output sucks, since my preference would to just get an Etymotic in-ear phone, but it seems the headphone output isn't worth a $2 Kmart unbranded headphone.

On the copy protectino note... I'm not sure what you mean. I lost a hard drive when all my songs were on my IPOD. I opened the device as a removable drive. Copied the data files off and used MediaCenter to rename them via the tags... Apparently the files on the IPOD are named as numbers... some db shema I imagine....

Anyway it worked fine.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: sxr7171
However [the iPod has] got a pretty darn good line output and very good digital performance. While it is a pity that it has such poor headphone output circuitry, the player makes a good candidate for playing lossless files on a home stereo and for audiophiles to use an external headphone amplifier. (I realize that using an external headphone amplifier negates the whole size/portability of the device, but a serious listener might want to use an external amplifier on any device - especially if they like to big Grados or Sennheisers). Still it is a pity that the headphone output sucks, since my preference would to just get an Etymotic in-ear phone, but it seems the headphone output isn't worth a $2 Kmart unbranded headphone.

Why would you buy a portable device for this? 😕 To own & manage mp3s you need a computer, and a serious listener would have a quality sound card. There's your line out.

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: djheater

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Gurck
What's most humorous about this is that they employ copy protection with iPods - remember that guy who posted yesterday about losing 20gb of mp3s when his hdd failed and the copy protection scheme deleted them from the iPod? :laugh: BTW, on buying music through iTunes - you're paying CD prices for music that doesn't sound nearly as good. iPods have low sound quality to help mask this.

eh bull, show proof that the output is horrible.

the output, not the headphones. could care less about bundled headphones.

iPods have .42% THD (total harmonic distortion), which is very high; anything over .1% is considered noticeable. The iRivers, for comparisons sake, have .03%. When I was into car audio I used to snicker at the suckers buying the cheap Wal-Mart brand amps that had high THD, Pyramid I think it was... "OMG 5,000 watts 4 onli $25!!1!!1!1" :laugh: iPods also attenuate the bass range; less accurate musical reproductioin = less sound quality. In reviews they score terribly for sound quality.

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However it's got a pretty darn good line output and very good digital performance. While it is a pity that it has such poor headphone output circuitry, the player makes a good candidate for playing lossless files on a home stereo and for audiophiles to use an external headphone amplifier. (I realize that using an external headphone amplifier negates the whole size/portability of the device, but a serious listener might want to use an external amplifier on any device - especially if they like to big Grados or Sennheisers). Still it is a pity that the headphone output sucks, since my preference would to just get an Etymotic in-ear phone, but it seems the headphone output isn't worth a $2 Kmart unbranded headphone.

On the copy protectino note... I'm not sure what you mean. I lost a hard drive when all my songs were on my IPOD. I opened the device as a removable drive. Copied the data files off and used MediaCenter to rename them via the tags... Apparently the files on the IPOD are named as numbers... some db shema I imagine....

Anyway it worked fine.

Yeah I just got mine yesterday, and you're right. Just open it as a drive and it will all be there.

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: sxr7171
However [the iPod has] got a pretty darn good line output and very good digital performance. While it is a pity that it has such poor headphone output circuitry, the player makes a good candidate for playing lossless files on a home stereo and for audiophiles to use an external headphone amplifier. (I realize that using an external headphone amplifier negates the whole size/portability of the device, but a serious listener might want to use an external amplifier on any device - especially if they like to big Grados or Sennheisers). Still it is a pity that the headphone output sucks, since my preference would to just get an Etymotic in-ear phone, but it seems the headphone output isn't worth a $2 Kmart unbranded headphone.

Why would you buy a portable device for this? 😕 To own & manage mp3s you need a computer, and a serious listener would have a quality sound card. There's your line out.

It is still very good for playing lossless files on a home stereo with convenience of having all your music on one device without having to change discs or wait for a changer to do it. The digital circuitry exceeds many CD players and the line out is pretty good. Using a sound card line out as good as it may be is problematic IMHO since there's all that circuitry and RF interference in your average computer case. It is next to impossible to shield an internal sound card from the noise that all those fans generate. There is also very little filtering of AC line noise. That way the iPod being battery driven has advantages, but admittedly the hard drive motor and actuator is a source of noise in the iPod, yet maybe they've implemented some shielding in there. You could have a computer and use an external sound card or digital out and have all the DAC and analog circuitry as far away from the computer as possible, but the simplicity of the iPod for listening makes it a good candidate for that. All you have to do is get a 1/8" to RCA cable and you're ready to go. This isn't what I'd call serious listening, but even audiophiles need a break from changing discs all the time.


The second use is for those people who are serious listeners on the go. I realize this is almost an oxymoron, and personally I can sacrifice quality when I'm on the go. However, there are quite a few people who take their portable listening seriously and use external headphone amplifiers and the iPod has a good enough line out and digital circuitry to satisfy these people. In fact it has very good performance for that purpose. Check out www.headwize.com and www.headphone.com to find these people.

 

[Fritzo]

I would think they were counting on most of the songs coming from ripped CD's.