Apple is a thief, and poor

[Artdeco]

Probably not. I'm sort of in the middle so I don't have a strong opinion either way. I have two Mac laptops at home along side various other systems. I really can use any of them and they all get basically the same job done. I've just never come to like OSX enough to leave Linux and Windows completely. I do enjoy getting to use a little of everything though. Keeps things interesting.

Me too, I just don't get all the drama, and damn, it gets old.

Have come to the conclusion it's a socioeconomic class thing too.

When I fly, I notice a shitload of Apple products in first class, go to coach, and I see other brands.

 

[ControlD]

Have come to the conclusion it's a socioeconomic class thing too.

When I fly, I notice a shitload of Apple products in first class, go to coach, and I see other brands.

For sure that has something to do with it simply from the fact that across the board Apple products tend to be expensive. Maybe that's what people are trying to say when they talk about Apple stuff being expensive. It isn't that a comparably priced product from a competitor isn't just as expensive, it is more that those same competitors also have other products that are much cheaper. Lower quality? In most cases yes, but they still offer something for the person that doesn't have $2000 laying around to blow on a laptop. Apple really doesn't have much of anything that could be considered "budget". Thus people tend to think of Apple products as expensive while in reality it is just that Apple has a fairly narrow product line.

I imagine if Apple sold a $500 laptop you would see plenty of those in coach. As it is, you mainly see them in first class because those are the people that can afford them.

 

[Ns1]

For sure that has something to do with it simply from the fact that across the board Apple products tend to be expensive. Maybe that's what people are trying to say when they talk about Apple stuff being expensive. It isn't that a comparably priced product from a competitor isn't just as expensive, it is more that those same competitors also have other products that are much cheaper. Lower quality? In most cases yes, but they still offer something for the person that doesn't have $2000 laying around to blow on a laptop. Apple really doesn't have much of anything that could be considered "budget". Thus people tend to think of Apple products as expensive while in reality it is just that Apple has a fairly narrow product line.

:thumbsup:

 

[CZroe]

Goddam you are a fanboy. MS Office came free with my $500 i7 lenovo. Just stop while you're ahead, embarrassing

#1: He does not owner use a Mac.
#2: Laptops including full-version non-expiring MSOffice do not include Office for free just like they don't include Windows for free.

How does it feel publicly being so wrong about something?

 

[Artdeco]

For sure that has something to do with it simply from the fact that across the board Apple products tend to be expensive. Maybe that's what people are trying to say when they talk about Apple stuff being expensive. It isn't that a comparably priced product from a competitor isn't just as expensive, it is more that those same competitors also have other products that are much cheaper. Lower quality? In most cases yes, but they still offer something for the person that doesn't have $2000 laying around to blow on a laptop. Apple really doesn't have much of anything that could be considered "budget". Thus people tend to think of Apple products as expensive while in reality it is just that Apple has a fairly narrow product line.

I imagine if Apple sold a $500 laptop you would see plenty of those in coach. As it is, you mainly see them in first class because those are the people that can afford them.

Exactly, I see a lot (but certainly not all) of the drama originating from teens and lower socioeconomic classes.

Some folks are just bargain hunters, or more pragmatic buyers, and I can appreciate that too.

 

[John Connor]

My postal code spans two counties, which have a sale tax difference of 1%. I went online, chose a product and went to checkout and Apple decided that even though my home address, my alternate shipping address, my billing address, and the nearest Apple retail store I chose to ship the product to in order to pick up at my convenience was all in the less of the two tax regions, they were in fact going to assume I was 100% lying and thus charged me the higher sales tax.

Before finalizing the checkout I opened a chat to talk to Stacie. I explained why I was initiating the chat and in the end she said she couldn't help me, suggested I call telesales--I placed Stacie on hold and called telesales--but in the end Apple was too poor to afford a checkout system to perform such a minimal option of asking the buyer what county they reside in--even though that can be determined by all information already given.

The difference amounted to less than $20, but it was the principal of the matter. Apple was too cheap/poor to afford a robust checkout system that I have taken for granted in so many other online sellers. Amazing. So I cancelled the order and when I informed Stacie I would she just didn't care. End chat session.

OK Apple, let me go build or buy a computer and let someone else get the $2K in sales.

Well did you at least get Stacie's phone number?

 

[Artdeco]

Well did you at least get Stacie's phone number?

I think it's already been established the OP ain't got no game...

 

[BarkingGhostar]

I think it's already been established the OP ain't got no game...

Um, I got my way.

 

[Ichinisan]

Apple sux balls at every price/performance point. Sure, their products are decent but you're going to pay a premium for the same basic performance for simple shit like word processing, web surfing, and email. You're just paying hundreds extra for a name. Fashion whores, unless you actually need it to do something like compile code faster or graphic design (which doesn't apply to 95% of the sheeple).

???

Full-featured iWork suite is free. Microsoft Office suite is not.

Probably a sizable majority of independent programmers are using Macs -- developing for iOS using XCode -- which is 100% free.

Windows' built-in freebies don't come close to Garage Band and iMovie.

You think this is the '90s?

Goddam you are a fanboy. MS Office came free with my $500 i7 lenovo. Just stop while you're ahead, embarrassing

"Fanboy?" That's how you respond to having an invalid point called-out?

I don't have a Mac and I've rarely ever touched one.

Because Lenovo gets a sweetheart deal from Microsoft, my point is invalid?

I have a custom-built Windows 10 PC and MS Office would cost me hundreds of dollars on top of the cost of my PC and OS.

 

[SP33Demon]

"Fanboy?" That's how you respond to having an invalid point called-out?

I don't have a Mac and I've rarely ever touched one.

Because Lenovo gets a sweetheart deal from Microsoft, my point is invalid?

I have a custom-built Windows 10 PC and MS Office would cost me hundreds of dollars on top of the cost of my PC and OS.

There's nothing invalid about it. I just bought a lenovo i7 G70 that came with MS Office for around $565. If you really like MS Office then clearly Lenovo is the way to go for you, especially with a better processor and half the price of a Macbook Air.

 

[Ns1]

There's nothing invalid about it. I just bought a lenovo i7 G70 that came with MS Office for around $565. If you really like MS Office then clearly Lenovo is the way to go for you, especially with a better processor and half the price of a Macbook Air.

the point remains that for the other 95% of people who do not buy Lenovo, MS does not provide any type of adequate word processing software.

 

[Artdeco]

Um, I got my way.

But you didn't get laid, thus, no game.

 

[Ichinisan]

There's nothing invalid about it. I just bought a lenovo i7 G70 that came with MS Office for around $565. If you really like MS Office then clearly Lenovo is the way to go for you, especially with a better processor and half the price of a Macbook Air.

"MacBook Air"

Any new Mac includes iWork (for years now).

Because some Lenovo system includes MS Office, Macs are a ripoff. Got it.

Let's ignore Garage Band, iMovie, iWork, XCode, etc. because you want to. "Apple is ripping people off by not providing any useful software for free!"

 

[Ns1]

"MacBook Air"

Any new Mac includes iWork (for years now).

Because some Lenovo system includes MS Office, Macs are a ripoff. Got it.

Let's ignore Garage Band, iWork, XCode, etc. because you want to. "Apple is ripping people off by not providing any useful software for free!"

yeah but that 2.4ghz i7 with turboboost runs Notepad like a mother fucker.

 

[Artdeco]

"MacBook Air"

Any new Mac includes iWork (for years now).

Because some Lenovo system includes MS Office, Macs are a ripoff. Got it.

Let's ignore Garage Band, iWork, XCode, etc. because you want to. "Apple is ripping people off by not providing any useful software for free!"

And let's not forget how Apple just gives away its OS updates after you purchase a device.

Plus I've gotten insanely good service from Apple whenever I've had a problem.

 

[Fritzo]

for my previous hackintosh, it was an hp probook 4540s i believe. paid $450 refurb from microcenter for it like 3 years ago i think.

got my macbook this past october when i took on a more serious ios development project and paid $1800 brand new from adorama for it.

the touchpad alone makes me like 3x more productive on the macbook than it did on the probook because i can swipe to different desktops with the flick of my fingers. even though osx could do that on the probook, the touchpad was ass and it didn't recognize it correctly. now with the macbook it's like i'm working with 4-5 monitors instead of 1. also the resolution alone is complete night and day too.

I'll give this to Apple- they NAIL touch interfaces. Their touch pads are second to none. The best PC touchpads I've found so far seem to be on Lenovo business-class Thinkpad laptops, but even those aren't quite on the same level.