Apple is a thief, and poor

[purbeast0]

Do I need to Google 4k laptops for you?

I won't Google it because you are purposely setting us up for a moving target. First you say "also the resolution alone is complete night and day too." then you say "i'm not running this at max resolution". So, your key criteria doesn't matter a few minutes later. So, you'll keep changing a "critical" feature and say whatever model I post is not as good.

and that is exactly why it's dumb for people to make blatent statements like "you can get X that is better than the apple product for cheaper" when "better" is completely subjective to what one's needs are. it's clear i don't care about 4k though, because you know, i didn't get a 4k laptop. if i cared about it and needed it, i would have gotten it (but tbh i don't even know if it's available on apple hardware or not yet).

this reminds me of people saying how android phones were "better" because apple didn't have any iphones with big screens. yet it was impossible for android users to understand the simple concept that not everyone wants a huge screen on their phone. to them bigger automatically meant better.

i actually purchased the 6+ when it first came out, and returned it 2 days later because i hated how large it is. i have a normal 6 now, but with the development i'm doing i'm also working with a 5s, and to me, the 5s is probably the perfect size for a phone for me. it's just not as powerful so there would be a tradeoff.

but for arguments sake, just find one comparable to that laptop i posted if you feel like it.

 

[dullard]

but for arguments sake, just find one comparable to that laptop i posted if you feel like it.

I haven't used all of the 4K laptops, so I cannot comment on the touchpad for you. The XPS 15 is a good computer for me. On the few bits of data you gave me as important:
* Touchpad = ? I don't know what your physical hand size or motion needs are.
* Resolution = Better (can be up to 60% more pixels)
* Battery life = Better (up to 17 hours vs up to 8 hours)
* Price = Lower (as low as $999 new vs $1999 for the MacBook Pro 15")

If you dislike that Touchpad, look at any other higher-end computer and keep trying.

 

[purbeast0]

I haven't used all of the 4K laptops, so I cannot comment on the touchpad for you. The XPS 15 is a good computer for me.

here is the cheapest one that matches the specs of the laptop i got - starting at $30 more than i paid for my macbook pro. (i7, 16gb ram, 512 ssd)

http://www.dell.com/us/p/xps-15-9550-laptop/pd?oc=dncwx1630s&model_id=xps-15-9550-laptop

EDIT:

and that is only a 1080p display - the 4k is a $400 upgrade fee.

 

[Wonderful Pork]

Do I need to Google 4k laptops for you?

I won't Google it because you are purposely setting us up for a moving target. First you say "also the resolution alone is complete night and day too." then you say "i'm not running this at max resolution". So, your key criteria doesn't matter a few minutes later. So, you'll keep changing a "critical" feature and say whatever model I post is not as good.

I hear the same arguments too.

So, please find a current laptop with similar/same specs as Apple's current top of the line Macbook Pro ($1800). One laptop, not some hybrid of 5 different laptops (unless you want to combine the prices?).

Please note this is stock, not build to order, which would allow you to get more RAM and Storage for more $.

• 13.3-inch (diagonal) LED-backlit display with IPS technology; 2560-by-1600 resolution at 227 pixels per inch with support for millions of colors
• 2.9GHz dual-core Intel Core i5 processor (Turbo Boost up to 3.3GHz) with 3MB shared L3 cache
• Intel Iris Graphics 6100
• 8GB of 1866MHz LPDDR3 onboard memory
• 512GB PCIe-based flash storage
• Dimensions: 0.71 inch x 12.35 inches x 8.62 inches
• Weight: 3.48 pounds
• 720p FaceTime HD camera
• Full-size backlit keyboard with ambient light sensor
• Up to 10 hours wireless web
• Up to 12 hours iTunes movie playback
• Up to 30 days of standby time
• Force Touch Trackpad
• Magsafe Power connector

I've seen other laptops with some of those features, not all, and certainly not Magsafe which has saved my laptop at least 4 times when people tripped over the power cord and yanked it out with no damage.

Also, this is a current offering, which does not include any forecast processing updates (Skylake, etc) - you can go and buy this today, right now.

 

[dullard]

here is the cheapest one that matches the specs of the laptop i got - starting at $30 more than i paid for my macbook pro. (i7, 16gb ram, 512 ssd)

http://www.dell.com/us/p/xps-15-9550-laptop/pd?oc=dncwx1630s&model_id=xps-15-9550-laptop

EDIT:

and that is only a 1080p display - the 4k is a $400 upgrade fee.

Add still $300 cheaper even with that upgrade that you now say you don't want.

 

[purbeast0]

Add still $300 cheaper even with that upgrade that you now say you don't want.

not even sure what you are talking about. it's $30 MORE for a comparable dell than it was for my macbook pro, without 4k display and with a lower resolution screen than the macbook pro.

i was simply pointing out that if you wanted 4k on the dell it would cost you $400. you are the one that brought up 4k, not me. as i said, i don't care about 4k, and the macbook is cheaper than that dell without 4k.

 

[Ns1]

Add still $300 cheaper even with that upgrade that you now say you don't want.

but at the end of the day you're still stuck with a POS Dell.


It's not like we haven't all used Dell laptops or anything.

 

[dullard]

not even sure what you are talking about. it's $30 MORE for a comparable dell than it was for my macbook pro, without 4k display and with a lower resolution screen than the macbook pro.

i was simply pointing out that if you wanted 4k on the dell it would cost you $400. you are the one that brought up 4k, not me. as i said, i don't care about 4k, and the macbook is cheaper than that dell without 4k.

Then keep looking. You brought up the resolution first.

The current 15" MacBook Pro starts at $1999 (probably what the OP mentioned) and is the closest to what you were describing. I posted a computer at $999 and you can add features for more money if you want.

 

[Anubis]

I hear the same arguments too.

So, please find a current laptop with similar/same specs as Apple's current top of the line Macbook Pro ($1800). One laptop, not some hybrid of 5 different laptops (unless you want to combine the prices?).

Please note this is stock, not build to order, which would allow you to get more RAM and Storage for more $.

• 13.3-inch (diagonal) LED-backlit display with IPS technology; 2560-by-1600 resolution at 227 pixels per inch with support for millions of colors
• 2.9GHz dual-core Intel Core i5 processor (Turbo Boost up to 3.3GHz) with 3MB shared L3 cache
• Intel Iris Graphics 6100
• 8GB of 1866MHz LPDDR3 onboard memory
• 512GB PCIe-based flash storage
• Dimensions: 0.71 inch x 12.35 inches x 8.62 inches
• Weight: 3.48 pounds
• 720p FaceTime HD camera
• Full-size backlit keyboard with ambient light sensor
• Up to 10 hours wireless web
• Up to 12 hours iTunes movie playback
• Up to 30 days of standby time
• Force Touch Trackpad
• Magsafe Power connector

I've seen other laptops with some of those features, not all, and certainly not Magsafe which has saved my laptop at least 4 times when people tripped over the power cord and yanked it out with no damage.

Also, this is a current offering, which does not include any forecast processing updates (Skylake, etc) - you can go and buy this today, right now.

Samsung ativ book and the Dell XPS 13 come to mind

 

[purbeast0]

Then keep looking. You brought up the resolution first.

The current 15" MacBook Pro starts at $1999 (probably what the OP mentioned) and is the closest to what you were describing. I posted a computer at $999 and you can add features for more money if you want.

i don't care "what they start at". the whole argument everyone makes is that you can get the same hardware for much cheaper as a non-apple piece of hardware, as you stated in this thread.

In almost all cases there are similar or better products for far less money.

okay so i just compared the current $1999 macbook pro with the equivalent dell xps.

all i did in the filter was i7, 256 ssd, and 16gb ram.

the xps is $1999 as well, so they are the exact same price.

404 - similar or better products for far less money not found.

 

[holden j caufield]

I usually get mine from Dell outlet and wait for a coupon to tack on. They come pretty much new and the business laptops come with decent warranty. I add the ram, and HDs myself and it's super easy. Full retail at Dell is a ripoff also but you can haggle on the phone. Dell's on secondary sites can be found for half the price of retail. I found macbooks on the secondary market to be way over priced (or kept their value better, depending on how you look at).

 

[Ns1]

y'all comparing Dells and Apples like they're comparable. They're comparable in the same way that a Civic and a BMW are comparable - they're both cars.

 

[Anubis]

y'all comparing Dells and Apples like they're comparable. They're comparable in the same way that a Civic and a BMW are comparable - they're both cars.

right its a perfect comparison

 

[purbeast0]

Samsung ativ book and the Dell XPS 13 come to mind

just checked on their website, the only xps13 they have with 512ssd looks to start at $2129.

http://www.dell.com/us/p/xps-13-935...ven1=s3i5fZT7f&ven2=e&ven3=105002825251259720

 

[Wonderful Pork]

Samsung ativ book and the Dell XPS 13 come to mind

Just did the XPS 13 and compared it to the mid-range Macbook Pro since Dell doesn't offer 512GB SSD or same processor. Both were $1499, including similar RAM, Processor, SSD, and Display.

But the Dell has a 56 WHr battery compared to Mac 74.9 WHr - so there likely is a battery life differnce, unless Windows 10 is 25% more power efficient than OS X (and it may be, I don't know...)

Anyway - the point being, a similarly configured Dell is exactly the same price as a Macbook.

BTW - did the same thing for 15" - both worked out to $1999...

 

[Anubis]

I only suggested those because I well have 1 and know the other is said to be very solid. apples prices have come more in line with the rest of the world in the past 5 or so years, so its really about personal pref at this point.

the mac pro trashcan is still over priced however

 

[dullard]

just checked on their website, the only xps13 they have with 512ssd looks to start at $2129.

http://www.dell.com/us/p/xps-13-9350-laptop/pd?3x_nav=HD_CAPACITY_GB%3D512&3x_page=1&filterCollapsed=true&ST=dell%20xps%2013&dgc=ST&cid=297817&lid=5695353&acd=123098073120560&ven1=s3i5fZT7f&ven2=e&ven3=105002825251259720

Way to pick out one item from a long list and pretend the others don't matter. XPS = far lighter (22% lighter) and smaller (0.6" x 11.98" x 7.88" vs 0.71" x 12.35" x 8.62"). The XPS has thunderbolt 3 while Apple doesn't, etc. Both sides can play that. For roughly equivalent items, the XPS is far cheaper. No, they aren't identical and never will be.

 

[Rakehellion]

This is not true and also you're an idiot.

Go cry about Macs some more, slut.

 

[Rakehellion]

I haven't used all of the 4K laptops, so I cannot comment on the touchpad for you. The XPS 15 is a good computer for me. On the few bits of data you gave me as important:
* Touchpad = ? I don't know what your physical hand size or motion needs are.
* Resolution = Better (can be up to 60% more pixels)
* Battery life = Better (up to 17 hours vs up to 8 hours)
* Price = Lower (as low as $999 new vs $1999 for the MacBook Pro 15")

If you dislike that Touchpad, look at any other higher-end computer and keep trying.

Bull. Show me *ANY* 4K laptop with 17 hours of battery life. You're cherry picking the best features of 5 different machines and comparing it to one MacBook.

Macs have:
* Up to 12 core Xeon
* Up to 15 hours battery life
* As little as 35 mm thick
* As low as $499

 

[Ns1]

Way to pick out one item from a long list and pretend the others don't matter. XPS = far lighter (22% lighter) and smaller (0.6" vs 0.71" thick). The XPS has thunderbolt 3 while Apple doesn't, etc.. Both sides can play that. For roughly equivalent items, the XPS is far cheaper. No, they aren't identical and never will be.

The Dell also has Dell build quality, while Apple doesn't.

 

[purbeast0]

Way to pick out one item from a long list and pretend the others don't matter. XPS = far lighter and smaller. Both sides can play that. For roughly equivalent items, the XPS is far cheaper. No, they aren't identical and never will be.

i literally just checked the xps 15 (as did another poster) and the prices are 100% identical for comparable specs - $1999. really not sure what you're even going on about at this point.

i picked that one because i was comparing the specs of the macbook that he posted the specs of to the comparable xps - that is why i ignored the long list since those are irrelevant since we're trying to compare apples to apples, not apples to peanuts.

as mentioned earlier, everyone always makes these claims but can never back them up, and as doing right now, when actually comparing them, the prices come right in line with each other for the most part.

 

[holden j caufield]

y'all comparing Dells and Apples like they're comparable. They're comparable in the same way that a Civic and a BMW are comparable - they're both cars.

At the upper range neither are civics, I make fun of the surface 4 at work all the time, for $600 it's ok for 1200 it's ripoff and I hate the way it docks. I think the precision line is better, I'm agnostic regarding hardware and run a ton of virtual machines. The vms have their own default vm video, vm nic etc. You mostly just allocate cpu, ram, resolution, though on a pc you can passthrough certain devices to a vm.

Not enough resources on a mac to allocate properly and no way to upgrade the ram. Work had given me a macbook pro years ago and I ran parallels/fusion on it to use windows and vm workstation on a dell to run ESX, osx, ubuntu, server 08 r2, 2012. I couldn't do all that on the macbook pro, nor could I add 2nd or 3rd drive storage for my dev vm or more ram. Though most people don't have the needs I do. I don't run the company or do accounting but paying that much for a surface 4 or macbook to mulltiple people eventually affects your bottom line.

 

[dullard]

as mentioned earlier, everyone always makes these claims but can never back them up, and as doing right now, when actually comparing them, the prices come right in line with each other for the most part.

Depends on the features. If you cherry pick one feature that one company has and the other doesn't (or requires an outrageous upgrade fee), then you are correct. But if you look at the whole, you are far from the truth. Anubis and Wonderful Pork just posted two computers ($1350 for the XPS and $1799 for the MacBook Pro). The XPS wins on some specs (smaller lighter, better ports, longer battery life, better resolution) and the MacBook Pro wins on others (faster GPU, one notch faster CPU, larger hard drive). So they are roughly equivalent, but for $350 less you can get the XPS. And that doesn't even go into the fact that the MacBook Pro was very, very recently released and is the best value you can get from Apple at the moment.

 

[Ns1]

I don't run the company or do accounting but paying that much for a surface 4 or macbook to mulltiple people eventually affects your bottom line.

I totally understand why Dell and HP work for business. But for your own personal machine...

 

[tortillasoup]

Go cry about Macs some more, slut.

I'm not crying, I just know the hipster type when I see it.

Macs have:
* Up to 12 core Xeon
* Up to 15 hours battery life
* As little as 35 mm thick
* As low as $499

I'm sure you're getting all of those things for $499... lol