Apple iPhone 6 sales disappoint, shares plummet 7%

[mrochester]

Which gets us back to the flop that is the iPhone 5C:

Yeah, the flop that raised sales of iPhone, raised Apple's profits and raised Apple's margins. That spectacular flop. You've clearly made up your mind about what to believe and no amount of educating you for the better is going to change that. I will let you wallow in your ill-informed situation.

 

[poofyhairguy]

Poofy, don't let this *expletive* get to you, he's an obvious apparatus mechanism of the apple ecosystem.

It has been obvious for a long time his angle, but he has never been this wrong before. He isn't getting to me, quite the opposite I am entertained by his ostrich emulation.

 

[poofyhairguy]

Yeah, the flop that raised sales of iPhone,

For non-5C models as people tried to avoid the low status iPhone.

raised Apple's profits and raised Apple's margins.

The margin raise was temporary, because the concept of the plastic iPhone flopped. Apple's profits were raised by a successful 5S and not because of a disappointing 5C.

That spectacular flop.

Glad you finally agree.

 

[mrochester]

It has been obvious for a long time his angle, but he has never been this wrong before. He isn't getting to me, quite the opposite I am entertained by his ostrich emulation.

And I'm rather amused by how you've fallen for the stories that the media has peddled. I feel sorry for you being a puppet of the media. I'm so glad I posses critical thinking skills.

 

[mrochester]

For non-5C models as people tried to avoid the low status iPhone.



The margin raise was temporary, because the concept of the plastic iPhone flopped. Apple's profits were raised by a successful 5S and not because of a disappointing 5C.



Glad you finally agree.

And I feel sorry for you taking the well worn trope of trying to use my obviously sarcastic comment against me. Bravo *slow claps*. I think we're done here unless you want to engage in some actually intelligent discussion.

 

[poofyhairguy]

Likewise, I believe you are spectacularly wrong.

Just give me ONE valid source that agrees with you and then maybe I will be convinced. One.

I have given you at least ten sources, and you have given me a semi source. If you are so right then SOME respected media outlet or academic has to agree with you instead of me.

Unless you can't find anyone who agrees with you, in which case you need to bury your head further in the sand to avoid the truth.

 

[poofyhairguy]

you want to engage in some actually intelligent discussion.

You mean the kind of discussion when I make points backed up by sources in media AND academia? You know, the model that has been used by PHDs for over a century?

I have been trying to have that kind of discussion but I don't think it is your style.

 

[poofyhairguy]

And I'm rather amused by how you've fallen for the stories that the media has peddled. I feel sorry for you being a puppet of the media.

So academics studying at the university, or Steve Jobs himself, are part of the media?

Turns out you are wrong about more than one thing today.

 

[openwheel]

I have not seen such a one sided argument for a long time. This thread is turning into pure pwnage.

Sure, iPhone 5C was NOT a flop, and iPhone is definitely NOT a status symbol. Sure!!! How dare you argue with me?

 

[openwheel]

Just give me ONE valid source that agrees with you and then maybe I will be convinced. One.

I have given you at least ten sources, and you have given me a semi source. If you are so right then SOME respected media outlet or academic has to agree with you instead of me.

Unless you can't find anyone who agrees with you, in which case you need to bury your head further in the sand to avoid the truth.

You have to be patient. He is Googling with his iPhone 5C. It could take a while. :thumbsup:

 

[Ichinisan]

You have to be patient. He is Googling with his iPhone 5C. It could take a while. :thumbsup:

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Sometimes, you need a visualization to understand. Here it is...

On-contract prices for base model:

     $200         $100          $0           
2010 A4 iPhone 4  XX iPhone 3GS XX iPhone 3G 
2011 A5 iPhone 4s A4 iPhone 4   XX iPhone 3GS
2012 A6 iPhone 5  A5 iPhone 4s  A4 iPhone 4  
2013 A7 iPhone 5s A6 iPhone 5c  A5 iPhone 4s 
2014 A8 iPhone 6  A7 iPhone 5s  A6 iPhone 5c 
2015 A9 iPhone 6s A8 iPhone 6   A7 iPhone 5s

Make sense now? The 5c replaced the 5 when the 5s was released. Notice how the 5 disappeared after 2012?

To compare it to another model, you can only count the sales of that other model *after* its successor was released.

Do you seen an iPhone 5 in columns 2 or 3?
No.

Did the 5c ever reside in column 1?
No.

Notice how every phone except the iPhone 5 moved down-right diagonally each year?
Yes.

Why didn't the iPhone 5 move down the list?
Because it was replaced by the iPhone 5c.

Since the iPhone 5c replaced the iPhone 5, you could actually say it stole 25m sales from the iPhone 5 (if the iPhone 5 had still been made after the 5s was released).

You can't compare iPhone 5c sales to any other iPhone that made it to column 3 unless you...
- include iPhone 5 sales, or...
- only compare the sales of other devices *after* their successors were released.

The iPhone 5c is the iPhone 5. Apple put the same guts in a plastic package and priced it like they would have priced the iPhone 5 if they had continued to sell it. That probably means they were able to manufacture more 5s phones than they would have been able to otherwise, while increasing profit margins a little bit.

 

[Artdeco]

Still not quite sure what all the fuss is over, the iPhone (and Apple products in general) are perceived as luxury goods, that doesn't in itself make them bad, I find there's value and functionality in its products.

The 5c isn't/wasn't a big deal, Apple is a publicly held company, and at times you have to make concessions to what the investors want, analysts and investors were ranting, demanding a cheap iPhone, Apple responded with the 5c, it sold well, but not in the volumes we're accustomed to seeing for iPhones, so the strategy was binned, and if you've noticed, the demands by analysts and investors for a cheaper iPhone has disappeared, along with the 5c. The name of the game is profits & volume.

 

[Ichinisan]

Still not quite sure what all the fuss is over, the iPhone (and Apple products in general) are perceived as luxury goods, that doesn't in itself make them bad, I find there's value and functionality in its products.

The 5c isn't/wasn't a big deal, Apple is a publicly held company, and at times you have to make concessions to what the investors want, analysts and investors were ranting, demanding a cheap iPhone, Apple responded with the 5c, it sold well, but not in the volumes we're accustomed to seeing for iPhones, so the strategy was binned, and if you've noticed, the demands by analysts and investors for a cheaper iPhone has disappeared, along with the 5c. The name of the game is profits & volume.

That's incorrect. Persistent misinformation. Apple always sells last year's phone for $100 (base model, subsidized price). The 5c took the place of the previous year's model and was priced in exactly the same way. It was never meant to be "the cheap phone."

 

[openwheel]

they sold the 5 alongside 5C and 5S for a long time.

 

[Ichinisan]

they sold the 5 alongside 5C and 5S for a long time.

They did not. Apple produced and shipped no more. Once stock was exhausted, the iPhone 5 was gone. I'd expect that happened quickly because people would prefer an iPhone 5 to an otherwise-identical 5c with a plastic back.

You're thinking of re-packaged re-certified refurbished iPhone 5 phones that are still sold by carriers like Verizon today. those were already counted in the iPhone 5 sales numbers back in 2012-2013.

 

[ControlD]

That's incorrect. Persistent misinformation. Apple always sells last year's phone for $100 (base model, subsidized price). The 5c took the place of the previous year's model and was priced in exactly the same way. It was never meant to be "the cheap phone."

But the 5C wasn't the previous year's phone when it was introduced. It was a new product placed directly in the cheaper column.

 

[Ichinisan]

But the 5C wasn't the previous year's phone when it was introduced. It was a new product placed directly in the cheaper column.

Exactly. It *replaced* the position where the 5 would have been sold if they had continued to sell the 5 after the 5s was released.

It's a 5 with a plastic back.

Priced like the 5 would have been. It didn't target a new price segment. Selling last year's iPhone model for $100 was already a well-established practice.

 

[ControlD]

Exactly. It *replaced* the position where the 5 would have been sold if they had continued to sell the 5 after the 5s was released.

It's a 5 with a plastic back.

Priced like the 5 would have been. It didn't target a new price segment. Selling last year's iPhone model for $100 was already a well-established practice.

I guess when I thought of the 5C as a "cheap' phone I was more thinking cheap for Apple not necessarily the consumer. I do think however that the plastic shell was some type of turnoff or at least a draw at best or we would have seen that strategy carried through for further generations.

 

[Ichinisan]

I guess when I thought of the 5C as a "cheap' phone I was more thinking cheap for Apple not necessarily the consumer. I do think however that the plastic shell was some type of turnoff or at least a draw at best or we would have seen that strategy carried through for further generations.

It wasn't even really "cheap, for Apple." It was right in line with Apple's established price strategy.

 

[cronos]

That's incorrect. Persistent misinformation. Apple always sells last year's phone for $100 (base model, subsidized price). The 5c took the place of the previous year's model and was priced in exactly the same way. It was never meant to be "the cheap phone."

And I think that's the huge mistake. The price is the same but it had the cheap look with the plastics. Apparently it's not as huge a hit as they expected, and that's why they never made anything like that again.

If you don't get it yet, the bolded is why a dozen people here said that the C line was a flop. Not because of perceived sales ("I see a lot of them around"), or actual sales (numbers, numbers, numbers), but because Apple abandoned it after one try and never made a plastic iPhone again.

 

[cronos]

Still not quite sure what all the fuss is over, the iPhone (and Apple products in general) are perceived as luxury goods, that doesn't in itself make them bad, I find there's value and functionality in its products.

This!

I don't know what the resistance is about. People saying that iPhone is a status symbol is not in any way disparaging. It doesn't mean that it's the *only* reason why someone buys an iPhone. Of course there are people who choose to get iPhone because of other reasons. But this doesn't in any way contradict the fact that the iPhone is considered a status symbol by a lot of people.

 

[openwheel]

why would I buy the same phone from last year in a cheap plastic body for the same price???

 

[Ichinisan]

why would I buy the same phone from last year in a cheap plastic body for the same price???

They had flagship phones with cheaper plastic bodies (3G and 3GS). Those cracked all around the corners and buttons for no good reason. Compared to the 3G and 3GS, the 5c is awesome quality plastic.

 

[Ichinisan]

... Apparently it's not as huge a hit as they expected, and that's why they never made anything like that again.

This year would have been the very first opportunity to repeat it. Probably impossible to easily repurpose all iPhone 6/6 Plus production lines to make the 6s and 6s Plus because the new bodies are too different (thicker body, 7000 series aluminum). So there was no reason to switch the 6 and 6 Plus to plastic.

 

[openwheel]

Did you just compare iPhone 5C to iPhone 3G and declared it has "awesome plastic"?

I want to make fun of you so bad but I will hold it........

you had to go that far back? You had to skip the 4 and 4S......oh my...