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Originally posted by: SampSon
Right, but regardless of ebay's rules, the OP is not committing fraud. This would probably hold true in court.His main specs listing says 800 GB. The bidder isn't responsible for checking out the specs page, he's responsible for checking out the listing.
Originally posted by: LoKe
Originally posted by: SampSon
Right, but regardless of ebay's rules, the OP is not committing fraud. This would probably hold true in court.His main specs listing says 800 GB. The bidder isn't responsible for checking out the specs page, he's responsible for checking out the listing.
I'm not saying he's committing fraud, I'm just trying to say that he's going to be responsible for paying the shipping to get it back, and reimburse the buyer.
Originally posted by: newParadigm
Originally posted by: LoKe
Originally posted by: SampSon
Right, but regardless of ebay's rules, the OP is not committing fraud. This would probably hold true in court.His main specs listing says 800 GB. The bidder isn't responsible for checking out the specs page, he's responsible for checking out the listing.
I'm not saying he's committing fraud, I'm just trying to say that he's going to be responsible for paying the shipping to get it back, and reimburse the buyer.
The only people bidding on this computer would be collectors...any collectors knows that an original AppleIIGS does not have an 800gb nor 256mbs of RAM.
No one would buy this computer for a current gen anyways, considering the CPU speed...and the pictures. The only way I could get scrweed is if someone only purchased it to fvck me over...
Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Originally posted by: newParadigm
Originally posted by: LoKe
Originally posted by: SampSon
Right, but regardless of ebay's rules, the OP is not committing fraud. This would probably hold true in court.His main specs listing says 800 GB. The bidder isn't responsible for checking out the specs page, he's responsible for checking out the listing.
I'm not saying he's committing fraud, I'm just trying to say that he's going to be responsible for paying the shipping to get it back, and reimburse the buyer.
The only people bidding on this computer would be collectors...any collectors knows that an original AppleIIGS does not have an 800gb nor 256mbs of RAM.
No one would buy this computer for a current gen anyways, considering the CPU speed...and the pictures. The only way I could get scrweed is if someone only purchased it to fvck me over...
Then you won't mind if somebody mails the URL to this thread out to the final buyer? Sure, it proves that you knew the auction was misleading and refused to fix it, but that collector obviously won't care. Right?
Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Originally posted by: newParadigm
Originally posted by: LoKe
Originally posted by: SampSon
Right, but regardless of ebay's rules, the OP is not committing fraud. This would probably hold true in court.His main specs listing says 800 GB. The bidder isn't responsible for checking out the specs page, he's responsible for checking out the listing.
I'm not saying he's committing fraud, I'm just trying to say that he's going to be responsible for paying the shipping to get it back, and reimburse the buyer.
The only people bidding on this computer would be collectors...any collectors knows that an original AppleIIGS does not have an 800gb nor 256mbs of RAM.
No one would buy this computer for a current gen anyways, considering the CPU speed...and the pictures. The only way I could get scrweed is if someone only purchased it to fvck me over...
Then you won't mind if somebody mails the URL to this thread out to the final buyer? Sure, it proves that you knew the auction was misleading and refused to fix it, but that collector obviously won't care. Right?
Your auction description clearly states that it has an 800GB hard drive and 256MB of RAM. It is irrelevant that you have an external link to a specification page, because nowhere in your auction do you say that you are selling exactly what is listed in that link.Description
Item Specifics - Apple Desktops
Product Family:
Apple IIGS
Memory (RAM):
256 MB
Processor Type:
WDC 65C816 @ 1.0 or 2.8MHz
Hard Drive Capacity:
800 GB
Processor Speed:
3 MHz
Operating System:
Apple GUI
Processor Configuration:
Single
Screen Size:
8 inches
Condition:
Used
This Apple IIGS is in excellent condition. Own a piece of computing history today. This computer was obtained from my grandmother's house in an estate sale. It has barely been used, and shows it. There is virtually no 'grime' like would normally get on a keyboard, as it was always covered when not in use. The rest of the computer was lightly cleaned, and shows no visable discoloration.
In addition to the Apple IIGS system, you will receive a genuine AppleColor RGB Monitor, in similar cosmetic condition, as well as all the original manuals, which are also in near mint condition. On top of the 3.5" Floppy drive that was included with all Apple IIGS's, a 5.25" Apple Floppy drive is also included. The following original software titles are also included with the system: Bank Street Writer Plus, Paperboy, ColorMe, and Jeopardy. All of the above software titles (excluding Jeopardy) include the original boxes and manuals.
What You Get
* Apple IIGS System
* AppleColor RGB Monitor
* Apple 3.5" Floppy Drive
* Apple 5.25" Floppy Drive
* All Apple Manuals and Disks
o 3.5 Drive Owner's Guide
o Apple IIGS System Tools Disk and Manual
o AppleColor RGB Monitor Owner's Guide
o 5.25 Drive Owner's Guide
o Apple IIGS System Disk User's Guide (and Disk)
o Apple IIGS Owner's Guide
o "Your Tour of the Apple IIGS" Disk
* Paper Boy (Box, Manual and Disk)
* ColorMe (Box, Manual and Disks)
* Bank Street Writer Plus (Box, Manual and Disks)
* Jeopardy (Disk Only)
* All Required Cables
o Mouse/Keyboard
o Floppy Drives
o Power Cables
o Video Cable
Here is a link to some history about the Apple IIGS computer, along with the specifications and original price.
Thanks for looking and Happy Bidding
Originally posted by: tk149
Your auction description clearly states that it has an 800GB hard drive and 256MB of RAM. It is irrelevant that you have an external link to a specification page, because nowhere in your auction do you say that you are selling exactly what is listed in that link.Description
Item Specifics - Apple Desktops
Product Family:
Apple IIGS
Memory (RAM):
256 MB
Processor Type:
WDC 65C816 @ 1.0 or 2.8MHz
Hard Drive Capacity:
800 GB
Processor Speed:
3 MHz
Operating System:
Apple GUI
Processor Configuration:
Single
Screen Size:
8 inches
Condition:
Used
This Apple IIGS is in excellent condition. Own a piece of computing history today. This computer was obtained from my grandmother's house in an estate sale. It has barely been used, and shows it. There is virtually no 'grime' like would normally get on a keyboard, as it was always covered when not in use. The rest of the computer was lightly cleaned, and shows no visable discoloration.
In addition to the Apple IIGS system, you will receive a genuine AppleColor RGB Monitor, in similar cosmetic condition, as well as all the original manuals, which are also in near mint condition. On top of the 3.5" Floppy drive that was included with all Apple IIGS's, a 5.25" Apple Floppy drive is also included. The following original software titles are also included with the system: Bank Street Writer Plus, Paperboy, ColorMe, and Jeopardy. All of the above software titles (excluding Jeopardy) include the original boxes and manuals.
What You Get
* Apple IIGS System
* AppleColor RGB Monitor
* Apple 3.5" Floppy Drive
* Apple 5.25" Floppy Drive
* All Apple Manuals and Disks
o 3.5 Drive Owner's Guide
o Apple IIGS System Tools Disk and Manual
o AppleColor RGB Monitor Owner's Guide
o 5.25 Drive Owner's Guide
o Apple IIGS System Disk User's Guide (and Disk)
o Apple IIGS Owner's Guide
o "Your Tour of the Apple IIGS" Disk
* Paper Boy (Box, Manual and Disk)
* ColorMe (Box, Manual and Disks)
* Bank Street Writer Plus (Box, Manual and Disks)
* Jeopardy (Disk Only)
* All Required Cables
o Mouse/Keyboard
o Floppy Drives
o Power Cables
o Video Cable
Here is a link to some history about the Apple IIGS computer, along with the specifications and original price.
Thanks for looking and Happy Bidding
Fraud generally requires intent to deceive, which you claim you did not have when you posted the auction. However, this is a simple contract. If you fail to deliver exactly what is promised, you breach the contract. Fraud is not required for you to breach the contract.
You are probably correct in your assumption that the bidders knew that they would not be getting an 800GB HD and 256MB of RAM, but legally, the winning bidder has a right to it.
You were put on notice by this thread that the auction had false information in it.
You easily could have avoided any potential problems by editing the listing, and notifying all 7 bidders of the reason for the change. This, in itself, would tend to show that whatever your original intent, you had a fraudulent purpose in mind by the end of the auction.
