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alfa147x said:
So you're pissed off that a thread regarding Apple was moved to All Things Apple?


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You honestly missed the point I made and the logical reason behind it?
Either you are an oblivious moron, or trolling.

Criticism of Apple's business practices doesn't get intelligent discussion in an Apple-only forum. If you cannot understand this, then good day sir.
We have plenty of other forums, other than OT, that would have been a far more logical place for this thread to be moved to.
General Hardware, Mobile Devices & Gadgets.... not a software-specific forum (especially one dedicated to Apple in particular).
 
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destrekor said:
You honestly missed the point I made and the logical reason behind it?
Either you are an oblivious moron, or trolling.

Criticism of Apple's business practices doesn't get intelligent discussion in an Apple-only forum. If you cannot understand this, then good day sir.
We have plenty of other forums, other than OT, that would have been a far more logical place for this thread to be moved to.
General Hardware, Mobile Devices & Gadgets.... not a software-specific forum (especially one dedicated to Apple in particular).
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So you're calling me a moron for saying that all threads regarding Apple should be put in the All Things Apple section? 🙄

If you honestly believe you're are in the right and the Mod who moved it is wrong then open up a thread in: Moderator Discussions
Not in CPUs and Overclocking. See how that would be the wrong section?
 
destrekor said:
What moderator moved this thread to this forum, where only pro-Apple fanboys lurk and don't care to discuss reality?
Was the intention to kill this thread by producing no more intelligent points? Because everything is clearly over the head of fanboys on their knees before Apple, based on the obliviousness and blind love that can be read in recent posts. Disappointing, some people I had better hopes for.
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Alright, we are going to sidestep the part where you bash an entire subsection.

What we use ATA for is the latest news and updates about Apple (product announcements and the like) and to get technical support from fellow forum members. It is not the home of pro-apple fanboy lurkers, and to assume that it is, is to show the exact ignorance and blind refusal of reality that you attribute to those that you so obviously loathe.
 
TheStu said:
Alright, we are going to sidestep the part where you bash an entire subsection.

What we use ATA for is the latest news and updates about Apple (product announcements and the like) and to get technical support from fellow forum members. It is not the home of pro-apple fanboy lurkers, and to assume that it is, is to show the exact ignorance and blind refusal of reality that you attribute to those that you so obviously loathe.
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I do thoroughly admit I was a bit careless, but I do offer up the point that it was exaggerated on purpose.
I would also like to state the whole sub-forum and its purposes are in fact known to me; but let's not ignore the drivel the whole topic immediately attracts whenever it does in fact share characteristics of this topic.

The ultimate thread throughout all my conversations here clearly reflect a more reasonable approach toward debate/argument. My wording at times can be a bit blunt when I fail to entirely restrain it, but what I [make the attempt to] present is logical and readily observable with a keen eye [I guess it is possible, however unlikely, I may in fact be imagining everything, and am in fact in need of mental health attention 😛].
 
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I find the whole subject disingenuous, this kind of thing happens ever day, all day in every industry.

To expect Apple to ignore the reality of everyday business is moronic. Because of the thin profit margins on PC's/components, the industry has a reputation for being very competitive.

These threads make as much sense to me as a nutty 20 year old woman marching for PETA while wearing leather shoes and a belt.
 
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This thread was all about Apple directly and there's an apple sub forum dedicated to such threads and so it was moved. It should have never been created in atot, get over it.

Ultrabooks or however you want to refer to them was popularized by the MBA, you're in denial if you think otherwise. Whether or not Apple owns the designs is a different matter.
 
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The only thing similar about the ultrabooks and the Air is the wedge angle.

Yeah, the same wedge angle and ultra-thin looks that Sony had in 2003. (See image above.)

This is yet another reason why the backlash against Apple's competition-stifling insanity is going to eventually be swift and harsh.
 
Zaap said:
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The only thing similar about the ultrabooks and the Air is the wedge angle.

Yeah, the same wedge angle and ultra-thin looks that Sony had in 2003. (See image above.)

This is yet another reason why the backlash against Apple's competition-stifling insanity is going to eventually be swift and harsh.
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Notice how that laptop is a lot more rounded? It has the whole round end piece? That makes it different. The other laptop is way to similar.
 
Wow. You're actually arguing that a computer from 9 years ago looks different from one released today... while missing the point that the same general-wedge shape existed in ultra-portable laptops... nine years ago!

Hint: Apple didn't invent the looks of the MacBook Air out of thin air- it's part of a progression of technology like everything else. So Apple suing everyone else for doing the exact same thing is bullshit.
 
Zaap said:
Wow. You're actually arguing that a computer from 9 years ago looks different from one released today... while missing the point that the same general-wedge shape existed in ultra-portable laptops... nine years ago!

Hint: Apple didn't invent the looks of the MacBook Air out of thin air- it's part of a progression of technology like everything else. So Apple suing everyone else for doing the exact same thing is bullshit.
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I'm arguing that the Zenbooks looked TOO similar. It's not just the wedge shape. It's more to it than that.
 
alfa147x said:
I'm arguing that the Zenbooks looked TOO similar. It's not just the wedge shape. It's more to it than that.
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That may be your opinion, but looking that similar is not illegal. Especially not when that's part of the common accepted industrial design style common throughout so many industries and picking up steam. Especially when that style itself has existed in some form for decades, and the design Apple employs is not anywhere close to new or fresh. Apple has taken these design themes, and yes tweaked them for their own purposes, but it's still not a new style.

You cannot claim rights to overall "style" when said style can basically be considered the "prior art" that served as Apple's influence... and sooner or later, Apple is going to discover exactly that; eventually, the courts are going to turn on Apple and basically say "shut the fuck up, deal with it, move on."
 
destrekor said:
That may be your opinion, but looking that similar is not illegal. Especially not when that's part of the common accepted industrial design style common throughout so many industries and picking up steam. Especially when that style itself has existed in some form for decades, and the design Apple employs is not anywhere close to new or fresh. Apple has taken these design themes, and yes tweaked them for their own purposes, but it's still not a new style.

You cannot claim rights to overall "style" when said style can basically be considered the "prior art" that served as Apple's influence... and sooner or later, Apple is going to discover exactly that; eventually, the courts are going to turn on Apple and basically say "shut the fuck up, deal with it, move on."
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Similar in the fact that it's deceiving naive customers thinking the Zenbook is what they saw on that Apple commercial last night.
 
alfa147x said:
Similar in the fact that it's deceiving naive customers thinking the Zenbook is what they saw on that Apple commercial last night.
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You can't sue other companies because your customers are morons.

I am not saying Apple customers, as opposed to customers of other companies, are any more or less moronic than general. In short, PEOPLE are retarded - you cannot sue other manufacturers, or otherwise harass them off the market due to that fact, not should anyone regulate products available on the market simply because of that fact.

Warning stickers and big flashy labels and logos are how you are supposed to address the retards of the population, if you feel you must focus on such things.
 
destrekor said:
You can't sue other companies because your customers are morons.

I am not saying Apple customers, as opposed to customers of other companies, are any more or less moronic than general. In short, PEOPLE are retarded - you cannot sue other manufacturers, or otherwise harass them off the market due to that fact, not should anyone regulate products available on the market simply because of that fact.

Warning stickers and big flashy labels and logos are how you are supposed to address the retards of the population, if you feel you must focus on such things.
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But another company can't purposely use their design to deceive.
 
Zaap said:
The only thing similar about the ultrabooks and the Air is the wedge angle.

Yeah, the same wedge angle and ultra-thin looks that Sony had in 2003. (See image above.)

This is yet another reason why the backlash against Apple's competition-stifling insanity is going to eventually be swift and harsh.
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So that looks like a MBA, but the Zenbook doesn't? lol. I don't get it.
 
alfa147x said:
But another company can't purposely use their design to deceive.
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To deceive?

Define deceive. As said before, Apple lifted this design from standard design schemes. It was already used somewhat in the Ultralight laptop category well before Apple even tried, to boot. Designing devices to compete, using current design schemes, while taking advantage of miniaturization AND structural integrity, means you have to go out of your way to make a similar device look different. And in some cases, that requires introducing design elements that turn away potential customers in the market for something that looks good.

Designing to compete, and trying to completely create a clone, are two different things. So they look similar, but sorry, that design is not Patently Apple, in so far as they can claim it down to every nuance of their hardware. They can, to a limited degree, do so in various ways and go about it legally, but what companies are introducing right now very little that is legally wrong.

Hell, look at some PC hardware cases. You can make them look exactly like a Mac. Design is design, especially when said designs have been introduced well before Apple adopted them.
 
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