Apple FAIL : Reject wifi sync app

[theeedude]

The travesty of it all....I can't imagine how you can even post here on AT where Anand gets to, *gasp*, decide what content is and is not acceptable! Oh teh horrors!!! I can't post nude pics on AT, light the torches and break out the pitchforks!!

or not

Anand just applies general community standards of decency. If he was willy nilly deleting posts he didn't like, like Apple is doing, users would abandon this board very fast, as they should abandon Apple.

 

[TheWart]

Anand just applies general community standards of decency. If he was willy nilly deleting posts he didn't like, like Apple is doing, users would abandon this board very fast, as they should abandon Apple.

I think Steve Jobs would say that his reasons for not allowing porn apps or "obscene" apps would be the same as you just gave above. As for the other apps rejected, those fall under the developers agreement in terms of security or API issues.

 

[preslove]

I think Steve Jobs would say that his reasons for not allowing porn apps or "obscene" apps would be the same as you just gave above. As for the other apps rejected, those fall under the developers agreement in terms of security or API issues.

Most of the apps apple rejected only involved women in lingerie. This is allowed on anandtech.

The problem with Apples rejections was that they deleted the Suicide Girls app, but kept the Playboy app, even though both had the same level of 'decency.' One was a major corporation, the other a small company.

 

[dwell]

I think Steve Jobs would say that his reasons for not allowing porn apps or "obscene" apps would be the same as you just gave above. As for the other apps rejected, those fall under the developers agreement in terms of security or API issues.

From the Apple Developer's Agreement:

3.3.14 Applications may be rejected if they contain any content or materials of any kind (text, graphics, images, photographs, sounds, etc.) that in Apple’s reasonable judgment may be found objectionable, for example, materials that may be considered obscene, pornographic, or defamatory.

Pretty black and white to me.

 

[MrX8503]

iPhone App Store apps are immune to bad design?

No, but iPhone apps are less susceptible to bad design and development. For example the facebook app, why is it so crappy on the Android?

Wow, it took the mac fanboys over 8 hours to come up with a ridiculous, fallacious argument.

What are they going to coalesce around? Change the subject!

"Der, der, Android is choppy, its appstore sucks, and its apps suck... der."

You guys are slipping

Android is choppy, read the Anand review on the Droid Incredible. HTC removed the app launch animation to speed things up. iPhones still have this animation and are still quick. Another example is choppy scrolling on Android devices. A webpage renders quickly, but the scrolling feels like it has a low framerate or something. These are facts and I'm looking forward to Froyo speed bump of 400% to fix this.

Like I said, once Steve demos wireless syncing in action, you'll hear how much of a pioneer he is and how he can do no wrong.

Wait for it.

That may or may not be true, but if Apple does wireless syncing better than what is available now, then why shouldn't he brag about it?

I remember when people were crying about copy and paste. When Apple did implement it, the iPhone now has the best copy&paste function on ANY smartphone. Yet people still complain, "Welcome to the 90's Apple". People need to get over themselves and give credit where its due.

 

[dwell]

Android is choppy, read the Anand review on the Droid Incredible. HTC removed the app launch animation to speed things up. iPhones still have this animation and are still quick. Another example is choppy scrolling on Android devices. A webpage renders quickly, but the scrolling feels like it has a low framerate or something. These are facts and I'm looking forward to Froyo speed bump of 400% to fix this.

Android has two disadvantages in terms of performance that do not plague the iPhone.

First is that code runs on a VM, as Android runs on various hardware and needs an abstraction layer. iPhone runs on consistent hardware so nearly everything is compiled to hit the hardware directly. The Dalvik VM which powers Android does not have a Just In-Time Compiler like most Java implementations do (there as a test of one in one of the early SDKs but was never turned on). So that code is always interpreted by the VM.

Second is garbage collection. You know when your Android phones starts to stutter seemingly intermittently? That's the Java garbage collector running in the background. Again, no such analog on the iPhone as Objective-C on the iPhone does explicit memory management (better performance overall).

The Froyo 400% performance increase is some bullshit Gizmodo made up based on a Linpack benchmark. We'll see when it ships if actual performance is anywhere near that.

No, but iPhone apps are less susceptible to bad design and development. For example the facebook app, why is it so crappy on the Android?

Anyone who's used Interface Builder for iPhone development and then had to use Android's XML layout approach knows why this is. You have to try really hard to make a bad UI with IB where you need to try really hard to do a good UI with XML. Plus there's UI guidelines for iPhone. Android has them too but nowhere as detailed as Apple's (136 pages vs 4).

 

[QueBert]

Wow, it took the mac fanboys over 8 hours to come up with a ridiculous, fallacious argument.

What are they going to coalesce around? Change the subject!

"Der, der, Android is choppy, its appstore sucks, and its apps suck... der."

You guys are slipping

Welp, an iPhone feels quicker and more responsive, this isn't my opinion I've used both and regardless that the Moto Droid had much better specs than my 1g iPhone it was choppier period. And their app store is nowhere close to Apples level, I'm not talking about number of apps. I'm talking strictly about polish. Play Flight Control on an iPhone then play the Android version. The iPhone version like a SNES, and the Android's like a NES. The same is true for many other apps. I'm sure Android will for the most part catch up, but it's going to take a good while. Anyone who can serious argue that Androids app store has close to the quality of Apples is 10x more blind than the Apple Fanboys who believe Apple can do no wrong. And I have to believe Apples strict app store screening is a huge reason for this. And I'll say it again, reject shit if it's going to result in overall better apps, and that's exactly what it does. I've installed apps that got rejected by Apple but are on Cydia and I see why they didn't make it. Intelliscreen comes to mind, I couldn't get it to work properly no matter what I did. It worked when it wanted to, Apple had rejected this? BOO HOO!

 

[theeedude]

What about Flash Apps? Android is like a computer, Apple is like trying to run Flash on an abacus

 

[Phobic9]

As always, these threads are entertaining even if the arguments are going around in circles at this point.

For the record, I own several Apple products at this very moment. That doesn't mean I have to be a fanboy or get bent out of shape because someone pokes fun at Apple or <insert any other money grubbing company here>. I'm amazed at the fact that people are fanboys for anything to such levels.

 

[MrX8503]

Thanks for the insight dwell, it makes a lot of sense. Especially the thing about the UI design.

 

[darkswordsman17]

I thought wireless sync was one of the big reasons people jailbreak their iPhones? They want you to pay $10 for that?

I'm not surprised at Apple turning it down, as this is something they would absolutely want control over, and they're not going to want people making money off of it anyway. And yeah, no doubt it'll be trumpeted as some major feature two iPhone OS generations from now.

 

[pm]

I thought wireless sync was one of the big reasons people jailbreak their iPhones? They want you to pay $10 for that?

I personally wouldn't pay $10 for that. But maybe others will. The primary reason that people jailbreak their phones in my experience is to unlock the phone. Another common reason is wireless tethering. These two reasons are why my iPhone is currently jailbroken. Others do it to have more control over the look and feel of the phone, and some do it to pirate apps.

I'm not surprised at Apple turning it down, as this is something they would absolutely want control over, and they're not going to want people making money off of it anyway. And yeah, no doubt it'll be trumpeted as some major feature two iPhone OS generations from now.

While I'm not surprised that Apple turned it down, it would possibly be a nice feature to have. And I agree... I won't at all be surprised to see Steve Jobs talking about great a feature it is on some slide in the next couple of years.

 

[Koing]

I don't understand why people are such in arms about this.

You know what my massive pet peeve is? A phone that is choppy/laggy and a marketplace that has apps with the UI looking like it was designed in MS Paint.

Yeah we don't have wireless sync and that sucks, but really I'd rather have a robust appstore and a phone that is lag free.

Indeed and yes that is why I'm bitching.

I have the iPhone as it works well in most cases and thats why I still have it. Otherwise I would have another phone. This doesn't mean they can't 'improve' it...

The free firmware updates have always been appreciated

Koing