Apple computer fans....

Oh yay, another mac thread.

I've owned(own) numerous PCs and macs, I have no reason to pay twice the price for a mac. They offer me nothing for the increased price.
None of the programs I use for work are mac compatible and the entire industry I work in, is not mac compatible.

WINE for OSX is going to be really cool(or is it already done and cool?), but why would I buy a mac to use PC programs on?

I've seen no great justification for the increased price of a macintosh over a PC. Mostly people tout little OSX GUI tricks and routines as amazing. Though they arn't worth the extra thousand dollars.
Security is another thing mac users bring up. This would change drastically if apples market share jumped. The most profound software/product will have the most exploitation attempts simply because it is the most widely used.

Macintosh is coming along, but is still not there.

 

[milagro]

Originally posted by: BroeBo
macs are mostly for people who dont really know what they are doing and need an over simplified, overpriced fancy looking computer to check their e-mail, play mp3s and browse the web. "Wow honey, look at the pretty colors these computers come in!!" (Bring on the flames!) yes there are the people that use it for graphics editing but as we discussed you can already do that on the PC.

This is pretty funny.

Bill Joy prefers OSX...wouldnt exactly put him in the category above. If you want serious discussion, could you at least keep it that way? Doesn't sound to me like you were ever really interested in people's experiences w/ apple as much as arguing about why you feel they are inferior to pcs.

 

[kami333]

Originally posted by: BroeBo

Originally posted by: Wahsapa

Originally posted by: BroeBo
macs are mostly for people who dont really know what they are doing and need an over simplified, overpriced fancy looking computer to check their e-mail, play mp3s and browse the web. "Wow honey, look at the pretty colors these computers come in!!" (Bring on the flames!) yes there are the people that use it for graphics editing but as we discussed you can already do that on the PC.

This is pretty funny.">http://timmerca.com/attachment/2243/original/</a>

^hes not talking about OS X, and by the looks, has a very small penis.


all the people that have bought dell, should have bought macs. all the people who barely know what to do on a pc, should have bought macs. all the people that dont know they have a billion peices of spyware on there computer, should have bought macs. basically all the people who just use office/aim/mail/web(thats a lot of people), should have bought macs. all the people who need to get work done with no fuss and no hassle, should have bought macs. for the price, they out last pc's. but instead, pc's were cheaper.

70% of the people who use computers dont know what they are doing, they should have bought a mac.

you'll just never understand.

Yes the way I am typing my messages sugests that I have a small penis... :roll:

keep on blabbing my friend....people perfer cheap over expensive and if ingnorant PC users have issues then thats more work for me in the IT department. job security is great.

If your job security comes from supporting ignorant computer users, then I think you need higher career aspirations/more education.

 

[40Hands]

Originally posted by: milagro

Originally posted by: BroeBo
macs are mostly for people who dont really know what they are doing and need an over simplified, overpriced fancy looking computer to check their e-mail, play mp3s and browse the web. "Wow honey, look at the pretty colors these computers come in!!" (Bring on the flames!) yes there are the people that use it for graphics editing but as we discussed you can already do that on the PC.

This is pretty funny.">http://timmerca.com/attachment/2243/original/</a>

Bill Joy prefers OSX...wouldnt exactly put him in the category above. If you want serious discussion, could you at least keep it that way? Doesn't sound to me like you were ever really interested in people's experiences w/ apple as much as arguing about why you feel they are inferior to pcs.

did i ever say i wanted serious discussion? gee your amazing, you have discoved my hidden obvious motive behind the topic!! congrats!

 

[MikeMike]

if i ever get a laptop i will get an apple. they are just extremely sleek and useable. along with quality, and powerful.

MIKE

 

[cerebusPu]

Ive only used PCs for the life of me. but we do have a 17inch powerbook at work.

there's also the dual G5.

and this...the new imac.
http://www.apple.com/imac/

the entire computer in the formfactor of a LCD screen.

 

[Wahsapa]

Originally posted by: SampSon
Oh yay, another mac thread.

I've owned(own) numerous PCs and macs, I have no reason to pay twice the price for a mac. They offer me nothing for the increased price.
None of the programs I use for work are mac compatible and the entire industry I work in, is not mac compatible.

WINE for OSX is going to be really cool(or is it already done and cool?), but why would I buy a mac to use PC programs on?

I've seen no great justification for the increased price of a macintosh over a PC. Mostly people tout little OSX GUI tricks and routines as amazing. Though they arn't worth the extra thousand dollars.
Security is another thing mac users bring up. This would change drastically if apples market share jumped. The most profound software/product will have the most exploitation attempts simply because it is the most widely used.

Macintosh is coming along, but is still not there.

i cant wait for Darwine to come of age. i also cant wait for ReactOS and WINE to get where it needs to be :thumbsup: open source is awsome.

microsoft can bite me.

and wtf is going on with linking. fusetalk .net blows

Darwine">http://darwine.opendarwin.org/</a>
ReactOS">http://www.reactos.com/</a>
WINE">http://www.winehq.com/</a>

 

[brian_riendeau]

To some people, the cost is simply not thet big of a deal and people need to realize that. I am sure a lot of the people that complain about the cost of a Mac are driving around $25,000+ vehicles when they could have gone from point A to point B for less. Same thing with a Mac, in many ways, they are a lot nicer and well worth the extra cost to people who will enjoy OS X. It also blows my mind that spending $400 on a p1mp video card is OK, but spending extra to get a nice Mac is taboo. Conversations always go like this...

PC Scenario:

Buyer... "I just got my GeForce 6800 GTX Ultra Platinum Edition, only $380, I get 300 FPS IN SUPERGAME 2005 with FSAA AND QBITS turned on!!!"
Others... "Wow, that is a smoking card, I have always wanted to play games in 1920 x 1440 resolution with everything enabled! Nice work!"

Mac scenario:

Buyer... This new G5 Mac I got is really nice. The computer looks incredible, OS X is fast and beautiful, and everything is easy to use! My family loves this PC"
Other... "What a tool, all you did was rip yourself off. You could have got a similar PC to that slow Mac for $400 at newegg.com. Check out this parts list, it smokes your PC, next time you are gonna throw money in a hole, just give it to me"

You are getting a totally different user experience with a Mac, and for many people, spending an extra $500+ for that is well worth it. I have a PC at home, and work one one all day at work, helping people with other PCs. I have ZERO interest in getting another "me too" PC so I can keep looking at Microsoft Windows all day at work and during the night at my house. When the time comes for another system, I will gladly try out a new Mac. OS X is far superior to any Linux platform I have tried. It pulls the system together into one solid piece instead of being a big pile of bits like most Linux distros.

 

[Childs]

Originally posted by: Wahsapa
and wtf is going on with linking. fusetalk .net blows

Man, I thought it was just me. I tried to link to VLC in another thread and I thought I forgot how to link!

 

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: desteffy
far more stable than windows.

Why do people continue to believe this?

I'm not a fanboy on either side. The only experience I have with Macs is from the pre-OSX days. The Macs I used then were pieces of crap. Constant system crashes and hangs. But then again, Windows 98 was a piece of crap as well.

Making judgements about an OS based on what it was like 5 or 10 years ago is stupid.

Everyone seems to agree that OSX is rock solid. But so is XP. I've been running it for 2 years and the only time it has ever crashed was when my power supply was going out. Because I built my own PC, replacing the PSU was easy and cheap.

 

[MournSanity]

Looks like a big iPod.

 

[Koing]

So many Apple haters.

Why can't people just use what they want and not bash?! If the Windows platform is for you use that. If the Mac platform works for you use that.

I have always used Windows but not really had the chance to use a Mac. I 'may' try out a Mac but they are pricey and I have a nice pc setup. But may get one in the future.

The PB are not EXPENSIVE IF your looking for a high end ish laptop. They are 'loaded' with a lot of things. If you outfit a loaded Windows it is more then likely a bit more expensive then the PB equivalent. The PB's are extremely good value for money imo. The only down side to them is the weight imo. This may not be an issue for most users but they are still 'heavy' compared to the lighter Windows laptops ou there. The designs of the PB are sleek, but so too is the design of the Sony Vaio's. Sony have a great 13"3 widescreen laptop that is about 4lbs or 4.4lbs with build in DVDRW also AND a 9700 64mb graphics card

Koing

 

[thirdlegstump]

Originally posted by: Childs
One other thing that I should have mentioned. The life of a Mac lasts a lot longer than a PC. At work I have two Dual G4 500s that I use everyday. You can render in Shake fine with them, and the OS actually got faster on them with each release. My main workstation is a Dual G4 867 which seems as fast as my AMD64 3200 in usage. I'm sure if I rendered something in Maya I would see a difference, but I have 20 Xserves for that. It actually runs Call of Duty great, although I'm sure the 9700 Pro helps.

You may pay a little more for a Mac, but you keep it a lot longer as well. Value wise I'd even say the Mac has the advantage over a similar PC.

Originally posted by: deathkoba
Hell I'll put my Athlon 2800 XP rig against any G5 in Photoshop..or hell any cross platform application and I BET it'll hold quite well considering it's age. In stabilty and performance. After all these years, I don't buy that BS that Macs have a longer useable lifespan than a PC.

You just said in the post above that you had you 7500 for 5 years. I doubt you got the same mileage out of that 266Mhz.

I don't want to keep a machine for so long! I want to move on with something fresh and quick without such a big hit on cost.

My point is, I CAN upgrade for DIRT CHEAP with a PC. Whereas on a Mac, it's almost always a very expensive upgrade and often limited in terms of what I can upgrade. Forget about pulling out the mobo. The case is proprietary, it won't fit any other boards without major modifications if that's even feasible. It's very frustrating if you think about it.

At some point, any given machine will feel too slow. I went through a nasty 5 years with that thing. (7500) It actually felt slow from the get go having a 100MHz 601 and built in graphics compared with this 133MHz PC I had. After 2 years or something I upgraded the CPU to a 604e 180MHz. Boy that was a nice speed bump..but for $700. OUCH...Not to mention upgrading the onboard video with a new ATI 3D card that cost me $300 when the same card was available for the PC for less than $150.

Any PC or Mac can last 5 years. But who the hell wants to keep such a slow machine when a full PC platform generation upgrade can be had for less than that 604e upgrade? Do you understand what I'm talking about here?

Yea I sure HOPE that the G5 can best my Athlon XP in EVERY Photoshop test. I'm willing to humour myself by really putting it to a duel, with Altivec turned on. Have a Mac user pimp a G5 with the best of his abilities in optimizations and let it rip. I want to see real results and being a dual platform user for many years, my gut instinct is that the Athlon will do QUITE well considering it's age and the price it can be had for. I know it'll whip G4s since I've owned a dual 1.25 for a few months and wasn't quite impressed with it hence my reason for selling it. (which I got a good healthy $1600 from some sucker on Craig's)

Now there are times when I may have to run Finalcut for clients..that's when I use a Mac because I have no other choice.

But you know what? Based on my unbiased 7 or so years of Mac experience, you can't have a rational debate with any Mac users so I'll quit right here. Be in denial FOREVER. Peace.

 

[FuZoR]

OS X is sweeeeet

12" Powerbook &amp;gt; everything in the price range

oh with that siad my home computer is a PC

i use my home pc more often simply because of gaming

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Koing
So many Apple haters.

Why can't people just use what they want and not bash?!

Same goes for Maccers, being in the minority shouldn't make bashing the other side any more acceptable.

 

[n0cmonkey]

I'm a whore. I like it all. I've got Sun machines, an Apple, and x86 based PCs. I've got parts for an alpha, but I doubt I'll ever put it together. I'd have some HP machines too if I had the money and space.

I can't find a reasonable x86 based laptop for a good price with the features I want. Apple is the only one that comes close, tadpole comes second because of the price.

 

[PowerMac4Ever]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Koing
So many Apple haters.

Why can't people just use what they want and not bash?!

Same goes for Maccers, being in the minority shouldn't make bashing the other side any more acceptable.

Huh? Mac users have been pretty civil in this thread, especially considering the flame-bait nature of the original poster's comments. And Koing's statement clearly isn't biased considering he isn't a Mac user...

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: deathkoba

Originally posted by: Childs
One other thing that I should have mentioned. The life of a Mac lasts a lot longer than a PC. At work I have two Dual G4 500s that I use everyday. You can render in Shake fine with them, and the OS actually got faster on them with each release. My main workstation is a Dual G4 867 which seems as fast as my AMD64 3200 in usage. I'm sure if I rendered something in Maya I would see a difference, but I have 20 Xserves for that. It actually runs Call of Duty great, although I'm sure the 9700 Pro helps.

You may pay a little more for a Mac, but you keep it a lot longer as well. Value wise I'd even say the Mac has the advantage over a similar PC.

Originally posted by: deathkoba
Hell I'll put my Athlon 2800 XP rig against any G5 in Photoshop..or hell any cross platform application and I BET it'll hold quite well considering it's age. In stabilty and performance. After all these years, I don't buy that BS that Macs have a longer useable lifespan than a PC.

You just said in the post above that you had you 7500 for 5 years. I doubt you got the same mileage out of that 266Mhz.

I don't want to keep a machine for so long! I want to move on with something fresh and quick without such a big hit on cost.

My point is, I CAN upgrade for DIRT CHEAP with a PC. Whereas on a Mac, it's almost always a very expensive upgrade and often limited in terms of what I can upgrade. Forget about pulling out the mobo. The case is proprietary, it won't fit any other boards without major modifications if that's even feasible. It's very frustrating if you think about it.

At some point, any given machine will feel too slow. I went through a nasty 5 years with that thing. (7500) It actually felt slow from the get go having a 100MHz 601 and built in graphics compared with this 133MHz PC I had. After 2 years or something I upgraded the CPU to a 604e 180MHz. Boy that was a nice speed bump..but for $700. OUCH...Not to mention upgrading the onboard video with a new ATI 3D card that cost me $300 when the same card was available for the PC for less than $150.

Any PC or Mac can last 5 years. But who the hell wants to keep such a slow machine when a full PC platform generation upgrade can be had for less than that 604e upgrade? Do you understand what I'm talking about here?

Yea I sure HOPE that the G5 can best my Athlon XP in EVERY Photoshop test. I'm willing to humour myself by really putting it to a duel, with Altivec turned on. Have a Mac user pimp a G5 with the best of his abilities in optimizations and let it rip. I want to see real results and being a dual platform user for many years, my gut instinct is that the Athlon will do QUITE well considering it's age and the price it can be had for. I know it'll whip G4s since I've owned a dual 1.25 for a few months and wasn't quite impressed with it hence my reason for selling it. (which I got a good healthy $1600 from some sucker on Craig's)

Now there are times when I may have to run Finalcut for clients..that's when I use a Mac because I have no other choice.

But you know what? Based on my unbiased 7 or so years of Mac experience, you can't have a rational debate with any Mac users so I'll quit right here. Be in denial FOREVER. Peace.

The secret to upgrading a Mac is to sell the old one after a year or so. You get back a GOOD chunk of what you paid so an upgrade will cost you a couple of hundred dollars.

 

[maxcom]

Originally posted by: naruto1988
maybe someday when i'm rich, i'll get a mac just for the fun of it. but my 2-button mouse...my precioussssssss.......

that's damn funny
:laugh:

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: maxcom

Originally posted by: naruto1988
maybe someday when i'm rich, i'll get a mac just for the fun of it. but my 2-button mouse...my precioussssssss.......

that's damn funny
:laugh:

Why? Multibutton mice work just fine in Mac OS X.

 

[thirdlegstump]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: deathkoba

Originally posted by: Childs
One other thing that I should have mentioned. The life of a Mac lasts a lot longer than a PC. At work I have two Dual G4 500s that I use everyday. You can render in Shake fine with them, and the OS actually got faster on them with each release. My main workstation is a Dual G4 867 which seems as fast as my AMD64 3200 in usage. I'm sure if I rendered something in Maya I would see a difference, but I have 20 Xserves for that. It actually runs Call of Duty great, although I'm sure the 9700 Pro helps.

You may pay a little more for a Mac, but you keep it a lot longer as well. Value wise I'd even say the Mac has the advantage over a similar PC.

Originally posted by: deathkoba
Hell I'll put my Athlon 2800 XP rig against any G5 in Photoshop..or hell any cross platform application and I BET it'll hold quite well considering it's age. In stabilty and performance. After all these years, I don't buy that BS that Macs have a longer useable lifespan than a PC.

You just said in the post above that you had you 7500 for 5 years. I doubt you got the same mileage out of that 266Mhz.

I don't want to keep a machine for so long! I want to move on with something fresh and quick without such a big hit on cost.

My point is, I CAN upgrade for DIRT CHEAP with a PC. Whereas on a Mac, it's almost always a very expensive upgrade and often limited in terms of what I can upgrade. Forget about pulling out the mobo. The case is proprietary, it won't fit any other boards without major modifications if that's even feasible. It's very frustrating if you think about it.

At some point, any given machine will feel too slow. I went through a nasty 5 years with that thing. (7500) It actually felt slow from the get go having a 100MHz 601 and built in graphics compared with this 133MHz PC I had. After 2 years or something I upgraded the CPU to a 604e 180MHz. Boy that was a nice speed bump..but for $700. OUCH...Not to mention upgrading the onboard video with a new ATI 3D card that cost me $300 when the same card was available for the PC for less than $150.

Any PC or Mac can last 5 years. But who the hell wants to keep such a slow machine when a full PC platform generation upgrade can be had for less than that 604e upgrade? Do you understand what I'm talking about here?

Yea I sure HOPE that the G5 can best my Athlon XP in EVERY Photoshop test. I'm willing to humour myself by really putting it to a duel, with Altivec turned on. Have a Mac user pimp a G5 with the best of his abilities in optimizations and let it rip. I want to see real results and being a dual platform user for many years, my gut instinct is that the Athlon will do QUITE well considering it's age and the price it can be had for. I know it'll whip G4s since I've owned a dual 1.25 for a few months and wasn't quite impressed with it hence my reason for selling it. (which I got a good healthy $1600 from some sucker on Craig's)

Now there are times when I may have to run Finalcut for clients..that's when I use a Mac because I have no other choice.

But you know what? Based on my unbiased 7 or so years of Mac experience, you can't have a rational debate with any Mac users so I'll quit right here. Be in denial FOREVER. Peace.

The secret to upgrading a Mac is to sell the old one after a year or so. You get back a GOOD chunk of what you paid so an upgrade will cost you a couple of hundred dollars.

Exactly what I do with PCs. Cept on a Mac, you often wait more than a year before a new worthy model comes out that isn't rigged with all of them Rev. A hardware bugs. Trust me, I'm no novice Mac user. I know every dirty little trick that'll make Pogue's head explode.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: deathkoba

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: deathkoba

Originally posted by: Childs
One other thing that I should have mentioned. The life of a Mac lasts a lot longer than a PC. At work I have two Dual G4 500s that I use everyday. You can render in Shake fine with them, and the OS actually got faster on them with each release. My main workstation is a Dual G4 867 which seems as fast as my AMD64 3200 in usage. I'm sure if I rendered something in Maya I would see a difference, but I have 20 Xserves for that. It actually runs Call of Duty great, although I'm sure the 9700 Pro helps.

You may pay a little more for a Mac, but you keep it a lot longer as well. Value wise I'd even say the Mac has the advantage over a similar PC.

Originally posted by: deathkoba
Hell I'll put my Athlon 2800 XP rig against any G5 in Photoshop..or hell any cross platform application and I BET it'll hold quite well considering it's age. In stabilty and performance. After all these years, I don't buy that BS that Macs have a longer useable lifespan than a PC.

You just said in the post above that you had you 7500 for 5 years. I doubt you got the same mileage out of that 266Mhz.

I don't want to keep a machine for so long! I want to move on with something fresh and quick without such a big hit on cost.

My point is, I CAN upgrade for DIRT CHEAP with a PC. Whereas on a Mac, it's almost always a very expensive upgrade and often limited in terms of what I can upgrade. Forget about pulling out the mobo. The case is proprietary, it won't fit any other boards without major modifications if that's even feasible. It's very frustrating if you think about it.

At some point, any given machine will feel too slow. I went through a nasty 5 years with that thing. (7500) It actually felt slow from the get go having a 100MHz 601 and built in graphics compared with this 133MHz PC I had. After 2 years or something I upgraded the CPU to a 604e 180MHz. Boy that was a nice speed bump..but for $700. OUCH...Not to mention upgrading the onboard video with a new ATI 3D card that cost me $300 when the same card was available for the PC for less than $150.

Any PC or Mac can last 5 years. But who the hell wants to keep such a slow machine when a full PC platform generation upgrade can be had for less than that 604e upgrade? Do you understand what I'm talking about here?

Yea I sure HOPE that the G5 can best my Athlon XP in EVERY Photoshop test. I'm willing to humour myself by really putting it to a duel, with Altivec turned on. Have a Mac user pimp a G5 with the best of his abilities in optimizations and let it rip. I want to see real results and being a dual platform user for many years, my gut instinct is that the Athlon will do QUITE well considering it's age and the price it can be had for. I know it'll whip G4s since I've owned a dual 1.25 for a few months and wasn't quite impressed with it hence my reason for selling it. (which I got a good healthy $1600 from some sucker on Craig's)

Now there are times when I may have to run Finalcut for clients..that's when I use a Mac because I have no other choice.

But you know what? Based on my unbiased 7 or so years of Mac experience, you can't have a rational debate with any Mac users so I'll quit right here. Be in denial FOREVER. Peace.

The secret to upgrading a Mac is to sell the old one after a year or so. You get back a GOOD chunk of what you paid so an upgrade will cost you a couple of hundred dollars.

Exactly what I do with PCs. Cept on a Mac, you often wait more than a year before a new worthy model comes out that isn't rigged with all of them Rev. A hardware bugs. Trust me, I'm no novice Mac user. I know every dirty little trick that'll make Pogue's head explode.

I just collect. Can't get rid of anything...

 

[maxcom]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: maxcom

Originally posted by: naruto1988
maybe someday when i'm rich, i'll get a mac just for the fun of it. but my 2-button mouse...my precioussssssss.......

that's damn funny
:laugh:

Why? Multibutton mice work just fine in Mac OS X.

my precioussssssss

 

i want a g5 imac, those things look sweet

 

[kmac1914]

Originally posted by: Wahsapa

Originally posted by: BroeBo
macs are mostly for people who dont really know what they are doing and need an over simplified, overpriced fancy looking computer to check their e-mail, play mp3s and browse the web. "Wow honey, look at the pretty colors these computers come in!!" (Bring on the flames!) yes there are the people that use it for graphics editing but as we discussed you can already do that on the PC.

This is pretty funny.

^hes not talking about OS X, and by the looks, has a very small penis.


all the people that have bought dell, should have bought macs. all the people who barely know what to do on a pc, should have bought macs. all the people that dont know they have a billion peices of spyware on there computer, should have bought macs. basically all the people who just use office/aim/mail/web(thats a lot of people), should have bought macs. all the people who need to get work done with no fuss and no hassle, should have bought macs. for the price, they out last pc's. but instead, pc's were cheaper.

70% of the people who use computers dont know what they are doing, they should have bought a mac.

you'll just never understand.

You're probably right that they should have brought macs, but on the other hand, a large portion of those same people wouldn't have been willing to spend the amount of money to get a mac.

That being said, i'm a pc person, but i do love the os x interface/functionality. I think that macs crap all over pcs when it comes to that. On the other hand, having to a larger selection of apps and being a hell of a lot cheaper, both to own and upgrade, is really all it takes to convince a lot of people that pcs are better. They both have their virtues, though.