Apple computer fans....

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: mpitts

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: Gurck
No offense notfred, but personally that sounds like you're really grasping for stuff to justify paying twice the price. None of those things you mentioned bother me in the least. If I didn't know what I was doing, of course, it might be nice. Further, PC != windows. There are a growing number of Linux users out there, I hope to become one at some point soon myself

Of course it doesn't bother you. If you spent your whole life driving around in Honda Civics, you'd be perfectly happy with your Honda Civic, which is a perfectly decent, affordable car. But if you bought a Mercedes-Benz and drove that around for a year, you'd realize that it's all the little things that make it the better car, and when you went back to the Civic, you'd notice things that used to seem fine now feel inferior to the Mercedes.

That pretty much sums it up.

Most people who rip on Apple and OS X have never really spent any time with the OS. They would rather just rehash the same hackneyed arguements that haven't been valid for five years.

I don't know if there is a better company that goes from idea to reality better than Apple. They pay attention to the details.

Minor point, I wasn't "ripping" on apple. Being ultra-defensive hurts the pro-mac argument more than extolling the virtues of its os helps it...

Originally posted by: halik
winex is a set directX/windows lookalike libraries that are written for x86. Apples are powerpc architecture - you can write an emulator, but you couldnt get anythign playable...

I see, thanks

 

[thirdlegstump]

Used to be a hardcore Mac user. Started with a PowerMac 6100, Powerbook 1400cs, PowerMac 7200, PowerMac 7500 (which was actually quite a killer machine, lasted 5 or so years through various upgrades), Dual 1.25Ghz G4 and an iMac DV SE.
About halfway through all of this, I got my first PC because the 7500 crapped out after 5 years. The mainboard was shot. $500 in repairs or leave it. So I took that $500 towards a cheap 266MHz PC and everything changed since then. The Mac was THE most frustrating experience I've ever painfully gone through lying to myself that it was a superior platform when Wintels were actually the useable computer that my peers said it wasn't. It was much faster, stable for once and I could walk into any store and grab a piece of software..whereas on my Mac, it froze at least 5 or 6 times a day, had to go to a Mac specialized dealer and deal with it's painfully slow OS..well everything. Even to this day, I feel the same. I am being uber honest.

 

[thirdlegstump]

Hell I'll put my Athlon 2800 XP rig against any G5 in Photoshop..or hell any cross platform application and I BET it'll hold quite well considering it's age. In stabilty and performance. After all these years, I don't buy that BS that Macs have a longer useable lifespan than a PC.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: deathkoba
Hell I'll put my Athlon 2800 XP rig against any G5 in Photoshop..or hell any cross platform application and I BET it'll hold quite well considering it's age. In stabilty and performance. After all these years, I don't buy that BS that Macs have a longer useable lifespan than a PC.

HAHA your athlon would get spanked like a fat guy in an s&m video.... 128bit vector processing engine owns yoo. Dual g5 was on the par with dual 3.x xenons in all benchmarks ive seen

 

[radiocore]

Love my Powerbook. Been using PCs for years. Decided to switch recently to apple and I only had one regret. I switched into a PB12. AFter a few months, I upgraded to a PB15. Its just so seamless...its as close to perfect as you can get. Well, IMHO anyways

Bottomline, don't knock it til you try it. Give it a fair shot. I actually followed up with a powerbook because of the ipod i got for my PC. Now I am migrating more and more everyday. Looking at the airport express for my next purchase. =D

 

[TitanDiddly]

What's with all the mac threads today?

 

[Childs]

One other thing that I should have mentioned. The life of a Mac lasts a lot longer than a PC. At work I have two Dual G4 500s that I use everyday. You can render in Shake fine with them, and the OS actually got faster on them with each release. My main workstation is a Dual G4 867 which seems as fast as my AMD64 3200 in usage. I'm sure if I rendered something in Maya I would see a difference, but I have 20 Xserves for that. It actually runs Call of Duty great, although I'm sure the 9700 Pro helps.

You may pay a little more for a Mac, but you keep it a lot longer as well. Value wise I'd even say the Mac has the advantage over a similar PC.

Originally posted by: deathkoba
Hell I'll put my Athlon 2800 XP rig against any G5 in Photoshop..or hell any cross platform application and I BET it'll hold quite well considering it's age. In stabilty and performance. After all these years, I don't buy that BS that Macs have a longer useable lifespan than a PC.

You just said in the post above that you had you 7500 for 5 years. I doubt you got the same mileage out of that 266Mhz.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: deathkoba
Hell I'll put my Athlon 2800 XP rig against any G5 in Photoshop..or hell any cross platform application and I BET it'll hold quite well considering it's age. In stabilty and performance. After all these years, I don't buy that BS that Macs have a longer useable lifespan than a PC.

HAHA your athlon would get spanked like a fat guy in an s&m video.... 128bit vector processing engine owns yoo. Dual g5 was on the par with dual 3.x xenons in all benchmarks ive seen

\no kidding, look at the super computer rankings. the ones based on g5's beat the amd system. yea i know its not totally comparable but still

comparing an opteron with g5 sure. but an athlon xp? thats just ignorant.

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: deathkoba
Used to be a hardcore Mac user. Started with a PowerMac 6100, Powerbook 1400cs, PowerMac 7200, PowerMac 7500 (which was actually quite a killer machine, lasted 5 or so years through various upgrades), Dual 1.25Ghz G4 and an iMac DV SE.
About halfway through all of this, I got my first PC because the 7500 crapped out after 5 years. The mainboard was shot. $500 in repairs or leave it. So I took that $500 towards a cheap 266MHz PC and everything changed since then. The Mac was THE most frustrating experience I've ever painfully gone through lying to myself that it was a superior platform when Wintels were actually the useable computer that my peers said it wasn't. It was much faster, stable for once and I could walk into any store and grab a piece of software..whereas on my Mac, it froze at least 5 or 6 times a day, had to go to a Mac specialized dealer and deal with it's painfully slow OS..well everything. Even to this day, I feel the same. I am being uber honest.

WTF were you doing to cause it to lock up 5 times a day?? I have had an Apple for almost 2 years and can count on one hand the number of times it has crashed.

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: deathkoba
Used to be a hardcore Mac user. Started with a PowerMac 6100, Powerbook 1400cs, PowerMac 7200, PowerMac 7500 (which was actually quite a killer machine, lasted 5 or so years through various upgrades), Dual 1.25Ghz G4 and an iMac DV SE.
About halfway through all of this, I got my first PC because the 7500 crapped out after 5 years. The mainboard was shot. $500 in repairs or leave it. So I took that $500 towards a cheap 266MHz PC and everything changed since then. The Mac was THE most frustrating experience I've ever painfully gone through lying to myself that it was a superior platform when Wintels were actually the useable computer that my peers said it wasn't. It was much faster, stable for once and I could walk into any store and grab a piece of software..whereas on my Mac, it froze at least 5 or 6 times a day, had to go to a Mac specialized dealer and deal with it's painfully slow OS..well everything. Even to this day, I feel the same. I am being uber honest.

WTF were you doing to cause it to lock up 5 times a day?? I have had an Apple for almost 2 years and can count on one hand the number of times it has crashed.

A powermac 7500 probably puts him at around MacOS 8.1

 

[woowoo]

We run a split shop
PC's for office work
Mac's for video editing and graphics work.

I would not even try to edit a television show on a PC.
Our editors would revolt.

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: deathkoba
Used to be a hardcore Mac user. Started with a PowerMac 6100, Powerbook 1400cs, PowerMac 7200, PowerMac 7500 (which was actually quite a killer machine, lasted 5 or so years through various upgrades), Dual 1.25Ghz G4 and an iMac DV SE.
About halfway through all of this, I got my first PC because the 7500 crapped out after 5 years. The mainboard was shot. $500 in repairs or leave it. So I took that $500 towards a cheap 266MHz PC and everything changed since then. The Mac was THE most frustrating experience I've ever painfully gone through lying to myself that it was a superior platform when Wintels were actually the useable computer that my peers said it wasn't. It was much faster, stable for once and I could walk into any store and grab a piece of software..whereas on my Mac, it froze at least 5 or 6 times a day, had to go to a Mac specialized dealer and deal with it's painfully slow OS..well everything. Even to this day, I feel the same. I am being uber honest.

WTF were you doing to cause it to lock up 5 times a day?? I have had an Apple for almost 2 years and can count on one hand the number of times it has crashed.

A powermac 7500 probably puts him at around MacOS 8.1

He mentioned a Dual G4, as well. I dunno which one he was referring to.

 

[Childs]

Originally posted by: notfred


A powermac 7500 probably puts him at around MacOS 8.1

And he used it for 5 years before it croaked.

 

OS X is better than Windows hands down. It's got the best of both worlds as far a strong backend goes (Unix) and really nice Windowing system.

Powerbooks are better looking than any Windows notebook I know of. The only downside is they are more expensive and less powerful.

 

[Kaervak]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
perhaps, but when it comes down to it, thats the only real advantage of the pc. slightly less cost, and games. for that you sacrifice build quality/design.

just look at the threads on the imac. most who complain are the ones wondering if it'll run doom3 basically

Games are not the only advantage of a PC, at least not with me. AutoCAD, Mechanical Desktop, Solidworks, CATIA, Pro/E, Inventor, 3D Studio Max and quite a few other programs are Windows specific. For whatever reason, I have no idea, but until there is a mac version of any of these programs (a good version, not some half-assed garbage with the same name stuck on it), macs are useless to me. With that said, macs are nice computers and if it works for you more power to you.

 

[40Hands]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: BroeBo

Originally posted by: notfred
I'm psoting this from a PC, but Apple just plain has a better OS.

Examples:

You're writing something in word. You save it to the desktop. You say "D'oh, I didn't want to save that on the desktop, I wanted to save it in my 'Word documents' folder".
In windows you have two options. Close the file, move it to the new folder, open it again. OR use "File > Save As" and then go into explorer and delete the old one.
On the mac, you go to the finder and move the file. That's all. You can continue worknig on the word file without closing it.

You want to use handy unix stuff like perl and grep? IN windows, you can get a lot of it to work through through cygwin or some third party release for stuff. But on OS X, it all jsut works. Heck, most of it comes with the OS.

Right now I'm typing in a quick reply box in firefox in windws. Note that I just misspelled "windows" in the last sentance. If I was typing this reply in Safari for OS X, "windws" would be underlined in red, the same way misspelled words are underlines for you in Word.

If I want to make a backup of all my settings and files in OS X, I jsut copy /Users/MyUsername to another drive. I can then reinstall the OS or whatever, and copy my stuff back. Everything will be the same, down to my wallpaper, desktop icon placement, etc. That just plain doesn't work in windows.

I could go on....

These are small things...what about programs that are of real use?

BTW: you can copy your /documents and settings/[username] in XP and then bring it down to a new computer with XP and it will be the same as it was on the old PC...i do that here at my work all the time.

It's pretty obvious by your posts that you didn't start this thread because you, "just want to know what people see in Apple", you seem to just want to put down the mac as much as possible, and try and find exuses that people's reasons for liking it aren't valid.

What do I see in Apple? A whole bunch of little things that just make the computing experience a lot nicer as a whole.

As far as "programs that are of real use" go, most of them are available on both platforms: i.e. Office, Photoshop, Maya, etc. You can pick whichever platform you like and run Photoshop on it, the benefits of Mac OS or Win XP are pretty irrelevant as far as the operation of Photoshop or Office goes.

Good job discovering my obvious true motive Yes most of them are available on both platforms, but there are also a ton that are only on windows based systems. I dont see the reason for people to hold on to Apple computers when the majority of companys make PC hardware/software. I want a choice not just apple or nothing.

 

[BruinEd03]

Originally posted by: BroeBo
I just want to know what people see in Apple.

Through competition, they lower the cost of the PC. Thank you!

-Ed

 

[UglyCasanova]

I :heart: my Powerbook.

 

[SilentRavens]

-FYI: I don't care how my computer looks-

I actually went ahead and built my own Mac a while ago, very interesting project. And I have used the OS I installed on it (10.3) on and off since then. So take what I say with a grain of salt.

Frankly, even though people say it is a far superior system, I just don't see it. Yes, the OS is well written and optimized for the hardware, but that doesn't really surprise me since Apple controls both the software and hardware for their machines. And yes, there are definitely some advantages in the interface.

However, Macintosh replacement & new hardware is just ludicrously expensive. And somehow the idea of paying for software I already own all over again just seems like a waste of money. And there just simply isn?t the same range of app.s for a Mac as there is for the x86 platform; I?ll give there are probably replacement app.s for most x86 app.s, but I sense the lack of choice.

And finally for the Linux nuts; while it would take some work, I imagine it would be quite possible to emulate most if not all of the software advantages, for considerably less.

Just my .02

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: Kaervak

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
perhaps, but when it comes down to it, thats the only real advantage of the pc. slightly less cost, and games. for that you sacrifice build quality/design.

just look at the threads on the imac. most who complain are the ones wondering if it'll run doom3 basically

Games are not the only advantage of a PC, at least not with me. AutoCAD, Mechanical Desktop, Solidworks, CATIA, Pro/E, Inventor, 3D Studio Max and quite a few other programs are Windows specific. For whatever reason, I have no idea, but until there is a mac version of any of these programs (a good version, not some half-assed garbage with the same name stuck on it), macs are useless to me. With that said, macs are nice computers and if it works for you more power to you.

Solidworks, CATIA, and Pro/E are all better suited for Sun workstations.

 

[SilentRavens]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Kaervak

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
perhaps, but when it comes down to it, thats the only real advantage of the pc. slightly less cost, and games. for that you sacrifice build quality/design.

just look at the threads on the imac. most who complain are the ones wondering if it'll run doom3 basically

Games are not the only advantage of a PC, at least not with me. AutoCAD, Mechanical Desktop, Solidworks, CATIA, Pro/E, Inventor, 3D Studio Max and quite a few other programs are Windows specific. For whatever reason, I have no idea, but until there is a mac version of any of these programs (a good version, not some half-assed garbage with the same name stuck on it), macs are useless to me. With that said, macs are nice computers and if it works for you more power to you.

Solidworks, CATIA, and Pro/E are all better suited for Sun workstations.

Right well, a Sun workstation is a whole 'nother beast.

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: SilentRavens

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Kaervak

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
perhaps, but when it comes down to it, thats the only real advantage of the pc. slightly less cost, and games. for that you sacrifice build quality/design.

just look at the threads on the imac. most who complain are the ones wondering if it'll run doom3 basically

Games are not the only advantage of a PC, at least not with me. AutoCAD, Mechanical Desktop, Solidworks, CATIA, Pro/E, Inventor, 3D Studio Max and quite a few other programs are Windows specific. For whatever reason, I have no idea, but until there is a mac version of any of these programs (a good version, not some half-assed garbage with the same name stuck on it), macs are useless to me. With that said, macs are nice computers and if it works for you more power to you.

Solidworks, CATIA, and Pro/E are all better suited for Sun workstations.

Right well, a Sun workstation is a whole 'nother beast.

But it isn't a PC-advantage, in that case

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Kaervak

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
perhaps, but when it comes down to it, thats the only real advantage of the pc. slightly less cost, and games. for that you sacrifice build quality/design.

just look at the threads on the imac. most who complain are the ones wondering if it'll run doom3 basically

Games are not the only advantage of a PC, at least not with me. AutoCAD, Mechanical Desktop, Solidworks, CATIA, Pro/E, Inventor, 3D Studio Max and quite a few other programs are Windows specific. For whatever reason, I have no idea, but until there is a mac version of any of these programs (a good version, not some half-assed garbage with the same name stuck on it), macs are useless to me. With that said, macs are nice computers and if it works for you more power to you.

still, when u think about it thats a pretty weak arguement. just how many gamers run autocad? mchanical desktop? catia? etc etc etc? .1%? for most people a mac is fine.

 

[Wahsapa]

VIRUSES!! YAY everybodys favorite word. get ready to be shocked wintel fanboys.... im posting from my mac... and im not even behind a firewall!!! -gasp- real in horror! windows update gets run on the family pc every two weeks while the mac sits on the open internet.

mac os>win xp. its not about the hardware, its how you use it. if you want to play games fine, use windows, but thats about the only thing it has going for it.

on macs everything Just Works(tm). linux cannot do what os x does. you put in the os cd and 30 mins later you have a operating system, linux doesnt work like that, windows barely even works like that. not to mention i'v NEVER had to reinstall the OS and i'v never... are you ready for this... defrag'd the harddrive.

to thoes that sitck to just one operating system your really missing out. os x has crashed on me about a half dozen times in the last 2.5 years, and i dont turn the machine off, this thing has stayed on for almost 3 years. and as long as your not going after a gaming rig you don't have to upgrade often, every release of osx gets faster on the same hardware, you cant say that about windows.

to REALLY know why people like apples you simply have to use one for a month. all i use mine for is aim/web/mail/music and it does fine, who needs more then that? and im talking about home users here, not people who depend on a machine to work( graphics, cad) and not the people who use their box as a gaming machine. a wintel box is fine for some country strike and bf:v but anything other then that, i'd rather use a mac.

 

[40Hands]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Kaervak

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
perhaps, but when it comes down to it, thats the only real advantage of the pc. slightly less cost, and games. for that you sacrifice build quality/design.

just look at the threads on the imac. most who complain are the ones wondering if it'll run doom3 basically

Games are not the only advantage of a PC, at least not with me. AutoCAD, Mechanical Desktop, Solidworks, CATIA, Pro/E, Inventor, 3D Studio Max and quite a few other programs are Windows specific. For whatever reason, I have no idea, but until there is a mac version of any of these programs (a good version, not some half-assed garbage with the same name stuck on it), macs are useless to me. With that said, macs are nice computers and if it works for you more power to you.

still, when u think about it thats a pretty weak arguement. just how many gamers run autocad? mchanical desktop? catia? etc etc etc? .1%? for most people a mac is fine.

I have to say that your argument was even weaker. He was not saying that gamers run these programs. Where is your information to back up that beacuse someone uses autocad, catia, etc that they dont play games in their spare time? He was saying that Macs don't support the programs he uses.