Apple and Samsung Are Friendly Again, and the Competition Should Be Terrified

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mrochester

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Please tell me that this thread won't be dominated by extreme fans from both Android (GuyWithHighIQ) and iOS (mrochester) doing nothing but touting their platforms as divine perfection while excusing every flaw.

The sooner we stop using terms like "second class" and "sheep," the better. The quicker we stop using hyperbole that pretends minor (if notable) issues are major problems that threaten to destroy an entire platform, the better. And these are humans you're talking to. It's just a phone, not a political system or religion. It's okay to accept that your choice of platform often boils down to personal preference, and it's not an absolute truth that all others must obey.

I think you must have me mixed up with someone else. I have no problem discussing flaws in any OS. The problems arise when people try and use their own definition of what counts as a flaw and imposes it on other people. For instance, syncing with iTunes is a big plus to me as it means I don't have to manually mess on with files and folders; I just press 'sync' and it's all done automatically.
 

GuyWithHighIQ

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No it's not. Not even close. Trying to surf on my 1 GB Nexus 7 with Lollipop is utter torture. It's actually better on my 512 MB iPad 2, and it's already slow on the iPad 2 with iOS 8, ads or not.

The best tablet surfing experience from 2014 though is the iPad Air 2. I haven't tried any 2015 hardware though yet.

Probably due to chrome's shitty optimization on Android. It's a well-known problem that google hasn't fixed yet.
Try other browsers, or use a Samsung tablet. Their stock browser is the fastest.

Of course, since it's just a browser. Weblock is not a browser but a WiFi ad blocker.

Ok, but are there apps that give universal adblocking? Like ad blocking in apps? Or ad blocking in stock browser so I don't lose fingerprint login?
 

JAG87

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Not trying to get in the middle of a good old fashioned mobile fight, but do you have links to support this? Most of the reviews I have seen show the S6 as having slightly better overall battery life than the iPhone 6, although the iPhone is certainly more efficient when total battery capacity is taken into account.

Just curious as I am looking into getting a S6 and this post surprised me a little bit.

** edit ** added some links:

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/galaxy-s6-vs-iphone-6,review-2721.html
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Battery-life-comparison-Samsung-Galaxy-S6-vs-Apple-iPhone-6-vs-iPhone-6-Plus_id66644


Here, from AT's review

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9146/the-samsung-galaxy-s6-and-s6-edge-review/3

S6 does worse in both web browsing tests, despite the fact that it has a more efficient amoled screen and a bigger battery.

Dave, it's not a night and day difference, I capitalized the word worse because I was trying to make a point to our high IQ crusader here about how Android is not even close to being optimized. Throw an LCD screen on the S6 and an 1800 mah battery, and you're lucky if you can get 3 or 4 hours out of it.
 

GuyWithHighIQ

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You must have low IQ despite your name. The Galaxy S6 has a 2500 mah battery and has WORSE battery life than the iPhone 6, which has an 1800 mah battery, never mind the 6 plus which lasts literally twice as long as the S6, with a mere 16% bump in battery capacity, and despite having a larger LCD screen vs a much more efficient AMOLED.

So yea, optimized? Gtfo please. Take your anti-apple agenda somewhere else.

kek...

Almost all benchmarks place the S6 higher than the iPhone 6. Also, battery capacity doesn't scale linearly with battery life. It's more like a logarithmic function. There are diminishing returns.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/10-flagship-phones-with-the-best-battery-life-May-2015_id68991
 

GuyWithHighIQ

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Here, from AT's review

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9146/the-samsung-galaxy-s6-and-s6-edge-review/3

S6 does worse in both web browsing tests, despite the fact that it has a more efficient amoled screen and a bigger battery.

Dave, it's not a night and day difference, I capitalized the word worse because I was trying to make a point to our high IQ crusader here about how Android is not even close to being optimized. Throw an LCD screen on the S6 and an 1800 mah battery, and you're lucky if you can get 3 or 4 hours out of it.

Yes, take a review from an iPhone fanatic as the truth, even when every single other review site lists the S6 ahead of both iPhone 6 and 6 Plus.

topkek... Also, you forget there are Android phones with lower battery capacity than the iPhone 6 Plus but use LCD that get better battery life.

Anandtech isn't a reliable review site. Their results are in opposition to more reliable review sites like DisplayMate for the display color accuracy measurements.
Most of Anandtech's article is shilling for Apple. I've noticed in the Galaxy S6 review part 1, they used the chrome browser to test for benchmarks when everyone knows chrome is badly optimized. Then in a later review where they get far less viewers, they added benchmarks for the stock browser. Disgusting...
 
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JAG87

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kek...

Almost all benchmarks place the S6 higher than the iPhone 6. Also, battery capacity doesn't scale linearly with battery life. It's more like a logarithmic function. There are diminishing returns.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/10-flagship-phones-with-the-best-battery-life-May-2015_id68991

Yea, by throttling itself... lol


Yes, take a review from an iPhone fanatic as the truth, even when every single other review site lists the S6 ahead of both iPhone 6 and 6 Plus.

topkek... Also, you forget there are Android phones with lower battery capacity than the iPhone 6 Plus but use LCD that get better battery life.

Anandtech isn't a reliable review site. Their results are in opposition to more reliable review sites like DisplayMate for the color accuracy measurements.
Most of Anandtech's article is shilling for Apple. I've noticed in the Galaxy S6 review part 1, they used the chrome browser to test for benchmarks when everyone knows chrome is badly optimized. Then in a later review where they get far less viewers, they added benchmarks for the stock browser. Disgusting...

Then why are you on this site? Go away.
 

GuyWithHighIQ

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Yea, by throttling itself... lol

All processors throttle during heavy gameplay, but none of the benchmarks tested battery life under gaming. They were all video play back, web browsing, or call-time, or a combination of those 3.

Then why are you on this site? Go away.

Impossible to escape Apple's influence on the media, which is another scummy tactic by Apple that I didn't mention before.

Anandtech and other review sites have to shill for Apple so they don't miss out on getting pre-release Apple devices.
 

GuyWithHighIQ

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Not trying to get in the middle of a good old fashioned mobile fight, but do you have links to support this? Most of the reviews I have seen show the S6 as having slightly better overall battery life than the iPhone 6, although the iPhone is certainly more efficient when total battery capacity is taken into account.

Just curious as I am looking into getting a S6 and this post surprised me a little bit.

** edit ** added some links:

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/galaxy-s6-vs-iphone-6,review-2721.html
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Batt...S6-vs-Apple-iPhone-6-vs-iPhone-6-Plus_id66644

It's not. There are diminishing returns. Think of a log function with the y-axis as battery life and x-axis as battery capacity.

The iPhone 6 Plus with 2,940 mAH battery having worse battery than 2,400-2,600 mAH Android phones prove that iOS isn't optimized or efficient as Apple fanatics think it is. The lower battery capacity combined with the lower resolution as well as the higher derivative on a lower battery capacity gave the illusion of efficiency. Considering the maximum battery size on a phone like the iPhone 6 is 3,000 mAH, having a 1,800 mAH battery would give you most of the possible battery life. Raising it to 3,000 won't really raise battery life all that much except in standby.

In my opinion, GSMArena has the most accurate/real-world battery life measurements. The iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus both have the same usage statistics (Web-browsing, video play-back,). The 6 Plus just has slightly better standby time, giving it a slightly better endurance rating.
 
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Commodus

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Yes, take a review from an iPhone fanatic as the truth, even when every single other review site lists the S6 ahead of both iPhone 6 and 6 Plus.

topkek... Also, you forget there are Android phones with lower battery capacity than the iPhone 6 Plus but use LCD that get better battery life.

Anandtech isn't a reliable review site.

So why are you posting here if you think AnandTech is the devil incarnate and inherently biased toward Apple? Gotta love hypocrisy -- you're giving business to the site you supposedly hate.

Also, "every single other review site?" Once again, you need to drop the hyperbole.

http://www.engadget.com/2015/04/02/samsung-galaxy-s6-and-s6-edge-review/ (8h 49m of video versus the iPhone's 10h 19m)

http://www.theverge.com/2015/3/31/8317743/samsung-galaxy-s6-edge-review ("worse" than the iPhone 6)

For a start.
 

GuyWithHighIQ

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So why are you posting here if you think AnandTech is the devil incarnate and inherently biased toward Apple? Gotta love hypocrisy -- you're giving business to the site you supposedly hate.

Also, "every single other review site?" Once again, you need to drop the hyperbole.

http://www.engadget.com/2015/04/02/samsung-galaxy-s6-and-s6-edge-review/ (8h 49m of video versus the iPhone's 10h 19m)

http://www.theverge.com/2015/3/31/8317743/samsung-galaxy-s6-edge-review ("worse" than the iPhone 6)

For a start.

Way to list 2 other Apple shilling sites.

GSMArena, Tweakers, and PhoneArena all disagree with you, and all 3 sites are the least biased.
 

JAG87

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It's not. There are diminishing returns. Think of a log function with the y-axis as battery life and x-axis as battery capacity.

The iPhone 6 Plus with 2,940 mAH battery having worse battery than 2,400-2,600 mAH Android phones prove that iOS isn't optimized or efficient as Apple fanatics think it is. The lower battery capacity combined with the lower resolution as well as the higher derivative on a lower battery capacity gave the illusion of efficiency. Considering the maximum battery size on a phone like the iPhone 6 is 3,000 mAH, having a 1,800 mAH battery would give you most of the possible battery life. Raising it to 3,000 won't really raise battery life all that much.


Okay lets see, name one 5.5" or bigger Android device, with an LCD screen and a battery that is less than 3000 mah, that has better battery life than the iPhone 6 Plus.

It's funny because you won't find one.

Hell, I'll even let you pick an AMOLED device, and you still won't find one that meets that criteria.
 

GuyWithHighIQ

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Okay lets see, name one 5.5" or bigger Android device, with an LCD screen and a battery that is less than 3000 mah, that has better battery life than the iPhone 6 Plus.

It's funny because you won't find one.

Hell, I'll even let you pick an AMOLED device, and you still won't find one that meets that criteria.

Why does it need to be 5.5" or more?

Go look at Huawei's P8 with a mere 2,600 mAH with an LCD screen and it stomps the iPhone 6 Plus.
I know it must hurt to find out how bad iOS truly is. Apple screwed up by releasing the iPhone 6 Plus, imo. It gave all us Android fanatics solid proof that iOS is worse than Android. There's no more speculation. No more hypotheticals. We have solid proof now. The Apple illusion of efficiency is gone (As well as their myth of good build quality. Bendgate, anyone?).
 
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Commodus

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Way to list 2 other Apple shilling sites.

GSMArena, Tweakers, and PhoneArena all disagree with you, and all 3 sites are the least biased.

The point is that you said "every single other review site" said the GS6 lasted longer on battery. You lied, or at best made a broad, unsupported statement.

Also, it's hilarious that you call them "Apple shilling sites" at the same time as they're giving the GS6 high marks overall. Anything to avoid questioning your preconceptions. No, these results can't be legitimate variances, the GS6 must always be better in every way!

Good grief, the very premise of this thread was that the rivalry between Apple and Samsung has progressed beyond the black-and-white, "my side must destroy yours" rhetoric that led the two companies to fight so bitterly for a few years. You're trying to drag it back there while most of us have moved on to rational, nuanced points of view.
 

Eug

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Probably due to chrome's shitty optimization on Android. It's a well-known problem that google hasn't fixed yet.
Try other browsers, or use a Samsung tablet. Their stock browser is the fastest.
You can't have it both ways. You said Android is by far the best optimized. When I give an example of why it isn't, then all of a sudden Chrome doesn't count, even though it is Android's default browser, and written by the creators of Android.

But on the Nexus 7, it's not just Chrome. It's everything in Lollipop. If Android really were that well optimized, it wouldn't require me to switch to another more advanced tablet to get a more pleasant surfing experience. Remember, the Nexus 7 was Google's flagship tablet.
 

mrochester

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Why does it need to be 5.5" or more?

Go look at Huawei's P8 with a mere 2,600 mAH with an LCD screen and it stomps the iPhone 6 Plus.
I know it must hurt to find out how bad iOS truly is. Apple screwed up by releasing the iPhone 6 Plus, imo. It gave all us Android fanatics solid proof that iOS is worse than Android. There's no more speculation. No more hypotheticals. We have solid proof now. The Apple illusion of efficiency is gone (As well as their myth of good build quality. Bendgate, anyone?).

I think you're looking for proof where none can exist.
 

WelshBloke

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You can't have it both ways. You said Android is by far the best optimized. When I give an example of why it isn't, then all of a sudden Chrome doesn't count, even though it is Android's default browser, and written by the creators of Android.

Optimised doesn't necessarily mean 'gets the fastest sunspider score'.
 

Eug

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Optimised doesn't necessarily mean 'gets the fastest sunspider score'.
No it means using the machine without horrible choppiness and long delays.

Just try to use a Nexus 7 with 1 GB RAM running Lollipop. It's extremely irritating to use.

An iPad 2 with 512 MB RAM with iOS 8 is also irritating to use, but much less irritating than the Nexus 7 with 1 GB RAM running Lollipop, despite the fact the iPad 2 is an older machine with half the RAM.
 

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Chrome on Nexus FHD is by far the best I've experienced on any mobile device. Love Chrome browser.
 

ChronoReverse

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For the case of the Nexus 7 original, the problem is Asus cheaped out and used very slow NAND. Other devices that have 1GB of RAM are much more useable (I do not say fast) than the N7 (2012) for that reason.

This isn't really a case of Android being optimized or not but rather what happens when a manufacturer doesn't build a device to be balanced. Apple generally does a good job with that (except for the RAM).