Apple A5X SoC

[MrX8503]

The power consumption for white (which is almost everything), inaccurate colors, and color tints suck. Whats your point?

 

[BenSkywalker]

I'm not sure if it's "free" but I don't think it's very intensive.

It is free. It can be broken by doing post processing in a way not friendly to the GPU, or it could be the developers just not turning it on.

You've been praising OLED since the days before its inception

Worded slightly odd, but I agree with your implication.

Apparently the iPad3 boosted its saturation and it seems like you wouldn't be happy regardless of what Apple did.

For years I have been a very vocal supporter of a clearly superior technology, I remain precisely in line with that stance and you claim the only reason I am questioning IPS over OLED is because Apple did it? This is where you fall off into the Mac cult mentality, or at least give the appearance of it. I support superior technology no matter who decides to push it- if Apple wants to step up to the plate then that would be great, with their ability to get fans frothing at the mouth for crap I'd love to see what they can do when pushing vastly superior technology.

Photo professionals and the like use S-IPS

Over TN. Try and find one that would take IPS over OLED, good luck with that.

The power consumption for white (which is almost everything), inaccurate colors, and color tints suck.

The power consumption for a 20x15 IPS panel sucks no matter what color it is displaying- the colors are a calibration issue. OLED supports FAR more of the color gamut then the very limited IPS panels.

 

[MrX8503]

You support superior technology, but was the first to criticize a retina iPad screen even before its release. All the while reviewers pick up their jaws off the ground from the iPad's screen, you still talk about how IPS sucks. It may or may not be better than OLED, but it certainly doesn't suck and it shows your bias.

-Tinting is an issue with the tech, specifically its blue pixel.
-The 1536p iPad screen consumes a lot of power because it has 4x pixels, not because its an IPS.

 

[Puddle Jumper]

You support superior technology, but was the first to criticize a retina iPad screen even before its release. All the while reviewers pick up their jaws off the ground from the iPad's screen, you still talk about how IPS sucks. It may or may not be better than OLED, but it certainly doesn't suck and it shows your bias.

-Tinting is an issue with the tech, specifically its blue pixel.
-The 1536p iPad screen consumes a lot of power because it has 4x pixels, not because its an IPS.

To be fair none of the early reviews would dare say a single negative thing about the iPad for fear that Apple would leave them out of the loop next time around. We won't see any reviews worth reading until after the launch.

 

[Aikouka]

I'm way too OCD to ever be a proponent of OLED. I have a PS Vita, and I cannot stand the black splotches and the horizontal line that I have, which is apparently normal for OLEDs.

 

[Puddle Jumper]

I'm way too OCD to ever be a proponent of OLED. I have a PS Vita, and I cannot stand the black splotches and the horizontal line that I have, which is apparently normal for OLEDs.

It's not normal, I have 4 Samsung AMOLED devices and none of them have that issue.

 

[dguy6789]

Never had an AMOLED device where I didn't absolutely love the screen.

 

[smartpatrol]

When there's a non-PenTile AMOLED 10" screen, with >260ppi density, available in a shipping product for $500, wake me up. My guess is it won't be until after the 4th-gen iPad launches.

 

[MrX8503]

To be fair none of the early reviews would dare say a single negative thing about the iPad for fear that Apple would leave them out of the loop next time around. We won't see any reviews worth reading until after the launch.

I'm sure thats what it is.

 

[theeedude]

http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iPad-3-4G-Teardown/8277/4
The die is huge. I am guessing it's still 45nm process, and the die is close to 200mm^2

 

[Mopetar]

To be fair none of the early reviews would dare say a single negative thing about the iPad for fear that Apple would leave them out of the loop next time around. We won't see any reviews worth reading until after the launch.

What's there to say that hasn't been said already?

Any real negatives have already been covered in the reviews for the previous generation devices:

• No build in USB port.
• No build in SD card port or ability to use SD care for additional storage.
• Only one app store and no ability to side load.
• No customization or widget type apps.
• Etc., etc.

Otherwise it's just an iPad with a really good screen. The battery life is still good and everything works as should be expected. There's not a whole lot that can be said good or bad, that isn't just a rehash of what's been said before.

A few of the reviews even point out some negatives such as the bottom getting warm when processing a large video in iMovie and one reviewer finding the battery life to be a bit lower than Apple's numbers in their battery test.

Have you actually read any of the reviews or are you just making baseless statements and accusations?

 

[Mopetar]

http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iPad-3-4G-Teardown/8277/4
The die is huge. I am guessing it's still 45nm process, and the die is close to 200mm^2

Damn that's a big SoC. No way that thing's going in the next iPhone.

 

[A5]

Damn that's a big SoC. No way that thing's going in the next iPhone.

Yeah. I'm guessing the "A6" that was floating around in the beta code is a die-shrink of the A5X. I can't really see them going to quad-core yet.

 

[ViRGE]

http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iPad-3-4G-Teardown/8277/4
The die is huge. I am guessing it's still 45nm process, and the die is close to 200mm^2

200mm2? That's way off. Anand puts it at 117mm2.

 

[Aikouka]

It's not normal, I have 4 Samsung AMOLED devices and none of them have that issue.

Is AMOLED different than what the PSV uses? Everyone says the screen "artifacts" on the PSV are completely normal. :|

 

[Mopetar]

Yeah. I'm guessing the "A6" that was floating around in the beta code is a die-shrink of the A5X. I can't really see them going to quad-core yet.

I really can't see them sticking that much graphics power in their next phone so I doubt that the A6 is just a die-shrink of the A5X. If I had to guess it's a new part and a new process and the next iPad will get an A6X that is essentially the same CPU as the A6, but will additional graphics capabilities.

 

[theeedude]

200mm2? That's way off. Anand puts it at 117mm2.

The iFixit guy must have really small hands then if the A5X is 1.1cm across:

 

[runawayprisoner]

There's no way it's 200mm^2 since if you look at the Toshiba NAND chip next to it, it's not significantly larger.

Also in photos with the disassembler's hand showing, the chip is just barely larger than the area of his finger.

And yeah, I'd think his hands are about as large as mine. My pinky finger is 100mm at the tip.

 

[theeedude]

There's no way it's 200mm^2 since if you look at the Toshiba NAND chip next to it, it's not significantly larger.

Also in photos with the disassembler's hand showing, the chip is just barely larger than the area of his finger.

I measured the tip of my finger and it's bigger than 1.44x1.44cm (200mm^2)
Maybe I am well endowed that way

 

[runawayprisoner]

Uh... if it's 1.44cm, it should be 144mm, not 200mm.

And I'm sure most disassemblers don't have bear hands.

Also the "cover" is what's large. The chip underneath is about ~70% the size of the cover.

 

[theeedude]

Uh... if it's 1.44cm, it should be 144mm, not 200mm.

And I'm sure most disassemblers don't have bear hands.

Also the "cover" is what's large. The chip underneath is about ~70% the size of the cover.

I disagree with your math, and recommend you learn about square roots, but the chip size is probably around what Anand measured. Just looked up the package size for the MDM9600, and it's 100x100, which is close to what the die under package looks like. So that would make it 32nm.

 

[runawayprisoner]

Yeah, I realize my own mistake now. Thanks for the correction.

Now, what does 32nm tell us? That it's made on a smaller process but the operating frequency remains the same?

 

[Mopetar]

Yeah, I realize my own mistake now. Thanks for the correction.

Now, what does 32nm tell us? That it's made on a smaller process but the operating frequency remains the same?

If it's 32 nm and they didn't touch the clocks they used the die shrink for power savings, which would make a lot of sense given the new power hungry display and LTE radio.

 

[Puddle Jumper]

The LTE radio doesn't have that large of an impact on battery life vs wifi so the display must be the reason they needed such a large battery compared to the iPad 2

 

[Steelbom]

It is free. It can be broken by doing post processing in a way not friendly to the GPU, or it could be the developers just not turning it on.

It would be strange that they turn it off on your HDTV but leave it turned on when on the iPhone 4S and iPad 2 if there was no performance impact at all.

Yeah, I realize my own mistake now. Thanks for the correction.

Now, what does 32nm tell us? That it's made on a smaller process but the operating frequency remains the same?

Pretty much.