Appeals Court ruling in "Choose Life" license plates case

[CSMR]

How is congress involved in this, and if congress was not, how is the first amendment relevant. It seems a very strange business.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Rainsford
I personally don't have an issue with personalized license plates bearing a political message. There is demand, and it's a good way to get some extra funding. However, I also think it's wrong to be selective in which political messages a state puts on their plates. Approving a pro-life plate and denying the request for a pro-choice plate is something totally different, the state has no right to take sides on the issue, certainly not when it comes to personalized license plates. Have a pro-life plate, it's no skin off my back, but if a group wants a pro-choice plate, you better approve that too.

There's no customers for such a license plate. The state would lose money.

Did Miss Cleo tell you that? It's the abortion debate...people on both sides are equally involved, and I see just as many pro-choice bumper stickers as I see pro-life ones, I would imagine license plates would go much the same way.

As for losing money, how does that work? Even if there are fewer customers, the vast majority of the money that goes into license plates are variable costs...there aren't all that many fixed costs involved in a new design. Even if they sold more pro-life plates than pro-choice ones, they wouldn't lose money on the deal.

 

[sandorski]

Easy solution: Want a political message on your License Plate, you got X amount of characters to do it with. [/]

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Easy solution: Want a political message on your License Plate, you got X amount of characters to do it with. [/]

Indeed. But like most people, pro-lifers in Tennessee apparently think the government is their own private instrument for pushing their political views. Which isn't a huge problem when it's license plates, but at least be fair about it. Providing assistance to all groups is one thing, but taking sides? That's not quite as cool.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Rainsford
I personally don't have an issue with personalized license plates bearing a political message. There is demand, and it's a good way to get some extra funding. However, I also think it's wrong to be selective in which political messages a state puts on their plates. Approving a pro-life plate and denying the request for a pro-choice plate is something totally different, the state has no right to take sides on the issue, certainly not when it comes to personalized license plates. Have a pro-life plate, it's no skin off my back, but if a group wants a pro-choice plate, you better approve that too.

There's no customers for such a license plate. The state would lose money.

Did Miss Cleo tell you that? It's the abortion debate...people on both sides are equally involved, and I see just as many pro-choice bumper stickers as I see pro-life ones, I would imagine license plates would go much the same way.

As for losing money, how does that work? Even if there are fewer customers, the vast majority of the money that goes into license plates are variable costs...there aren't all that many fixed costs involved in a new design. Even if they sold more pro-life plates than pro-choice ones, they wouldn't lose money on the deal.

In Maryland that might be the case, I doubt it's so in Tennessee. If there is enough demand I'm sure the product will be released.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

I really don't understand why someone would want a politicized plate (or a bumper sticker) that reflects a view on such an intense issue. Why risk having your parked car get vandalized by someone with the opposite view? It's not like your bumper sticker or license plate is going to change anyone's mind anyway.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Rainsford
I personally don't have an issue with personalized license plates bearing a political message. There is demand, and it's a good way to get some extra funding. However, I also think it's wrong to be selective in which political messages a state puts on their plates. Approving a pro-life plate and denying the request for a pro-choice plate is something totally different, the state has no right to take sides on the issue, certainly not when it comes to personalized license plates. Have a pro-life plate, it's no skin off my back, but if a group wants a pro-choice plate, you better approve that too.

There's no customers for such a license plate. The state would lose money.

Did Miss Cleo tell you that? It's the abortion debate...people on both sides are equally involved, and I see just as many pro-choice bumper stickers as I see pro-life ones, I would imagine license plates would go much the same way.

As for losing money, how does that work? Even if there are fewer customers, the vast majority of the money that goes into license plates are variable costs...there aren't all that many fixed costs involved in a new design. Even if they sold more pro-life plates than pro-choice ones, they wouldn't lose money on the deal.

In Maryland that might be the case, I doubt it's so in Tennessee. If there is enough demand I'm sure the product will be released.

There's probably a huge demand for my license plate idea: Tennessee: You can't cure stupid

 

[0roo0roo]

i dislike such things. its just there to aggrevate people for no reason. u think someones gonna see a licence plate and think eh, u changed my mind!! i think not, more likely they'll key your car.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
i dislike such things. its just there to aggrevate people for no reason. u think someones gonna see a licence plate and think eh, u changed my mind!! i think not, more likely they'll key your car.

Indeed...especially if you are a bad driver. The guy swerving down the road in his SUV, yapping away on his cell phone is not doing Bush any favors by sporting a pro-Bush sticker.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Rainsford
I personally don't have an issue with personalized license plates bearing a political message. There is demand, and it's a good way to get some extra funding. However, I also think it's wrong to be selective in which political messages a state puts on their plates. Approving a pro-life plate and denying the request for a pro-choice plate is something totally different, the state has no right to take sides on the issue, certainly not when it comes to personalized license plates. Have a pro-life plate, it's no skin off my back, but if a group wants a pro-choice plate, you better approve that too.

There's no customers for such a license plate. The state would lose money.

Did Miss Cleo tell you that? It's the abortion debate...people on both sides are equally involved, and I see just as many pro-choice bumper stickers as I see pro-life ones, I would imagine license plates would go much the same way.

As for losing money, how does that work? Even if there are fewer customers, the vast majority of the money that goes into license plates are variable costs...there aren't all that many fixed costs involved in a new design. Even if they sold more pro-life plates than pro-choice ones, they wouldn't lose money on the deal.

In Maryland that might be the case, I doubt it's so in Tennessee. If there is enough demand I'm sure the product will be released.

Could be, Maryland is a bit more liberal than Tennessee after all. But while the article did say the pro-choice plates were rejected, it didn't say why. If there were sound economic reasons that made the plate proposal different from other approved plates, I don't think I'd have a problem with that. The licenese plates ARE about money for the state after all.

But if it was a case of ideology, that would be an issue. While I'm sure pro-life is the stronger movement in a state like Tennessee, I don't think the state should take an official stance on the issue, certainly not with something like license plates. I guess the problem is we don't know why the pro-choice plate request was denied. Hopefully the courts will sort of the facts from the noise.

 

[bayou]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Rainsford
I personally don't have an issue with personalized license plates bearing a political message. There is demand, and it's a good way to get some extra funding. However, I also think it's wrong to be selective in which political messages a state puts on their plates. Approving a pro-life plate and denying the request for a pro-choice plate is something totally different, the state has no right to take sides on the issue, certainly not when it comes to personalized license plates. Have a pro-life plate, it's no skin off my back, but if a group wants a pro-choice plate, you better approve that too.

There's no customers for such a license plate. The state would lose money.

Did Miss Cleo tell you that? It's the abortion debate...people on both sides are equally involved, and I see just as many pro-choice bumper stickers as I see pro-life ones, I would imagine license plates would go much the same way.

As for losing money, how does that work? Even if there are fewer customers, the vast majority of the money that goes into license plates are variable costs...there aren't all that many fixed costs involved in a new design. Even if they sold more pro-life plates than pro-choice ones, they wouldn't lose money on the deal.

In Maryland that might be the case, I doubt it's so in Tennessee. If there is enough demand I'm sure the product will be released.

There's probably a huge demand for my license plate idea: Tennessee: You can't cure stupid

Too bad we couldn't get that one in all states!! Good one! :thumbsup:

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: zendari
In Maryland that might be the case, I doubt it's so in Tennessee. If there is enough demand I'm sure the product will be released.

Could be, Maryland is a bit more liberal than Tennessee after all. But while the article did say the pro-choice plates were rejected, it didn't say why. If there were sound economic reasons that made the plate proposal different from other approved plates, I don't think I'd have a problem with that. The licenese plates ARE about money for the state after all.

But if it was a case of ideology, that would be an issue. While I'm sure pro-life is the stronger movement in a state like Tennessee, I don't think the state should take an official stance on the issue, certainly not with something like license plates. I guess the problem is we don't know why the pro-choice plate request was denied. Hopefully the courts will sort of the facts from the noise.

Cuz the courts dont have anything better to do than worry about whiny liberals and license plates.

 

[m316foley]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: zendari
In Maryland that might be the case, I doubt it's so in Tennessee. If there is enough demand I'm sure the product will be released.

Could be, Maryland is a bit more liberal than Tennessee after all. But while the article did say the pro-choice plates were rejected, it didn't say why. If there were sound economic reasons that made the plate proposal different from other approved plates, I don't think I'd have a problem with that. The licenese plates ARE about money for the state after all.

But if it was a case of ideology, that would be an issue. While I'm sure pro-life is the stronger movement in a state like Tennessee, I don't think the state should take an official stance on the issue, certainly not with something like license plates. I guess the problem is we don't know why the pro-choice plate request was denied. Hopefully the courts will sort of the facts from the noise.

Cuz the courts dont have anything better to do than worry about whiny liberals and license plates.

So why not just drop both license plates and everyone will be happy? I know I hate political statements on people's cars. I think bush is an idiot enough, when someone cuts me off in a large SUV and I see them on a cell phone, I know why they vote the way they do...

As it was said before... their is no reason to have a political sticker/plate, it's not going to change anyone's mind, it's just going to give people more incentive to damage your car or start a road rage incident.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: zendari
In Maryland that might be the case, I doubt it's so in Tennessee. If there is enough demand I'm sure the product will be released.

Could be, Maryland is a bit more liberal than Tennessee after all. But while the article did say the pro-choice plates were rejected, it didn't say why. If there were sound economic reasons that made the plate proposal different from other approved plates, I don't think I'd have a problem with that. The licenese plates ARE about money for the state after all.

But if it was a case of ideology, that would be an issue. While I'm sure pro-life is the stronger movement in a state like Tennessee, I don't think the state should take an official stance on the issue, certainly not with something like license plates. I guess the problem is we don't know why the pro-choice plate request was denied. Hopefully the courts will sort of the facts from the noise.

Cuz the courts dont have anything better to do than worry about whiny liberals and license plates.

Apparently, the Republican-led legislature in Tennessee doesn't have anything better to do than to discriminate against almost half of the state's population and try to force their draconian morality on them. In polls through the state, they rank as 46% Pro-life and 44% Pro-choice.

Poll Results

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: zendari
In Maryland that might be the case, I doubt it's so in Tennessee. If there is enough demand I'm sure the product will be released.

Could be, Maryland is a bit more liberal than Tennessee after all. But while the article did say the pro-choice plates were rejected, it didn't say why. If there were sound economic reasons that made the plate proposal different from other approved plates, I don't think I'd have a problem with that. The licenese plates ARE about money for the state after all.

But if it was a case of ideology, that would be an issue. While I'm sure pro-life is the stronger movement in a state like Tennessee, I don't think the state should take an official stance on the issue, certainly not with something like license plates. I guess the problem is we don't know why the pro-choice plate request was denied. Hopefully the courts will sort of the facts from the noise.

Cuz the courts dont have anything better to do than worry about whiny liberals and license plates.

I really should stop trying to have an intelligent discussion with you...it's pretty clear you are rather underequipped for it.

 

[piasabird]

I dont much care about license plates. Just outlaw all vanity and special use plates. Sounds like the best solution to me.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: zendari
In Maryland that might be the case, I doubt it's so in Tennessee. If there is enough demand I'm sure the product will be released.

Could be, Maryland is a bit more liberal than Tennessee after all. But while the article did say the pro-choice plates were rejected, it didn't say why. If there were sound economic reasons that made the plate proposal different from other approved plates, I don't think I'd have a problem with that. The licenese plates ARE about money for the state after all.

But if it was a case of ideology, that would be an issue. While I'm sure pro-life is the stronger movement in a state like Tennessee, I don't think the state should take an official stance on the issue, certainly not with something like license plates. I guess the problem is we don't know why the pro-choice plate request was denied. Hopefully the courts will sort of the facts from the noise.

Cuz the courts dont have anything better to do than worry about whiny liberals and license plates.

I really should stop trying to have an intelligent discussion with you...it's pretty clear you are rather underequipped for it.

He's barely equipped for a conversation, let alone an intelligent one. Good luck.

 

[DealMonkey]

I believe someone in CA has proposed red-colored California State license plates with a prominent 'DUI' marking for repeat drunk driving offenders. What do you guys think about that?

Found it: Bill Proposes Red DUI License Plates

 

[TGS]

Repeat DUI offenders should have their licenses pulled permenantly.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I believe someone in CA has proposed red-colored California State license plates with a prominent 'DUI' marking for repeat drunk driving offenders. What do you guys think about that?

Found it: Bill Proposes Red DUI License Plates

I understand the motivation for creating such a program: maybe the fear of being made a daily subject of scorn would be a strong disincentive to driving while intoxicated.

But I fear that there might be an unintended and very negative consequence of this program: violence comitted against those displaying the DUI plate.

Also, there will be many instances in which innocent family members or friends will need to drive the "scarlet letter" car. Does it seem fair that they'll also be subjected to public ridicule?

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: m316foley

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: zendari
In Maryland that might be the case, I doubt it's so in Tennessee. If there is enough demand I'm sure the product will be released.

Could be, Maryland is a bit more liberal than Tennessee after all. But while the article did say the pro-choice plates were rejected, it didn't say why. If there were sound economic reasons that made the plate proposal different from other approved plates, I don't think I'd have a problem with that. The licenese plates ARE about money for the state after all.

But if it was a case of ideology, that would be an issue. While I'm sure pro-life is the stronger movement in a state like Tennessee, I don't think the state should take an official stance on the issue, certainly not with something like license plates. I guess the problem is we don't know why the pro-choice plate request was denied. Hopefully the courts will sort of the facts from the noise.

Cuz the courts dont have anything better to do than worry about whiny liberals and license plates.

So why not just drop both license plates and everyone will be happy? I know I hate political statements on people's cars. I think bush is an idiot enough, when someone cuts me off in a large SUV and I see them on a cell phone, I know why they vote the way they do...

As it was said before... their is no reason to have a political sticker/plate, it's not going to change anyone's mind, it's just going to give people more incentive to damage your car or start a road rage incident.

I have no idea frankly why people put this stuff on their car, its their own vehicle they're defacing.

But the Kerry '04 crowd still does provide a laugh from time to time. You're free to spraypaint "Choose Abortion!" on your car too.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: zendari
In Maryland that might be the case, I doubt it's so in Tennessee. If there is enough demand I'm sure the product will be released.

Could be, Maryland is a bit more liberal than Tennessee after all. But while the article did say the pro-choice plates were rejected, it didn't say why. If there were sound economic reasons that made the plate proposal different from other approved plates, I don't think I'd have a problem with that. The licenese plates ARE about money for the state after all.

But if it was a case of ideology, that would be an issue. While I'm sure pro-life is the stronger movement in a state like Tennessee, I don't think the state should take an official stance on the issue, certainly not with something like license plates. I guess the problem is we don't know why the pro-choice plate request was denied. Hopefully the courts will sort of the facts from the noise.

Cuz the courts dont have anything better to do than worry about whiny liberals and license plates.

Apparently, the Republican-led legislature in Tennessee doesn't have anything better to do than to discriminate against almost half of the state's population and try to force their draconian morality on them. In polls through the state, they rank as 46% Pro-life and 44% Pro-choice.

Poll Results

Apparently' your "almost half" failed to secure "almost half" the legislature for this to happen.

Out of curiosity, why use the 46/44 number when the 51/42 is more recent?