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Apparently, the Prime has a locked and encrypted bootloader

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http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...der-is-locked-and-encrypted-user-rage-ensues/

Forget about GPS issues, it looks like ASUS has a bigger problem on its hand with the Transformer Prime: a locked/encrypted bootloader. Like with other devices, as soon as the development community found out about this, there were some rather irritated people. The typical backlash against the company has now started on popular social networking sites, along with a petition that has managed to get over 200 signatures in just a few hours

Now that we have full source for HC and ICS available, this is a pretty big buzz kill. 🙁
 
My interest in this tablet just went from somewhat curious to not interested at all. When will these companies learn? Lost of sales > cost of RMA. Just ask HP, Blackberry, and Samsung about the cost of tablets sitting in warehouses unsold. It's the same lesson Barnes and Noble will learn with their new locked Nook Tablet.
 
My interest in this tablet just went from somewhat curious to not interested at all. When will these companies learn? Lost of sales > cost of RMA. Just ask HP, Blackberry, and Samsung about the cost of tablets sitting in warehouses unsold. It's the same lesson Barnes and Noble will learn with their new locked Nook Tablet.

just cause you can't root it? Really I'm a part developer but I really can't be bothered to sit down and hack, hack a tablet thats there for multimedia content etc, got better things to do with my time then tinker with it. The hacker/rooting will be small compared to those that just want a working machine.
 
just cause you can't root it? Really I'm a part developer but I really can't be bothered to sit down and hack, hack a tablet thats there for multimedia content etc, got better things to do with my time then tinker with it. The hacker/rooting will be small compared to those that just want a working machine.

You can still root a tablet with an encrypted bootloader, they are different things. For the second part of your post, if the community is so small, then leaving an unlocked bootloader should be a trivial no brainer.

Galaxy Tabs are unlocked, yes?
 
You can still root a tablet with an encrypted bootloader, they are different things. For the second part of your post, if the community is so small, then leaving an unlocked bootloader should be a trivial no brainer.

Galaxy Tabs are unlocked, yes?

yes, and yes.

He should know if he's "developer" that root and encrypted bootloader are different things. 🙄

Samsung has never locked any of their devices. :thumbsup:
 
I can see the open source advantages of an unlocked bootloader but what's the reason for them? It seems like it's more engineering work to secure the bootloader... What's the rationale for Asus to lock it down?
 
yes, and yes.

He should know if he's "developer" that root and encrypted bootloader are different things. 🙄

Samsung has never locked any of their devices. :thumbsup:

Well, they haven't locked them without providing a means to unlock. 😉

Hell, Samsung not only continues to provide unlocked/unlockable bootloaders, they sometimes even ship off a few units to major players in the dev community. 🙂

Sadly, Samsung continues to fail in other areas: build quality and quality control continue to challenge the manufacturer, and their radios cannot match the best of the competition.
To be fair, it's hard to match the radio giant that is Motorola (this is their bread and butter, they just happen to build devices around those radios too); additionally, I cannot accurately argue whether Samsung's radios (do they make them, or source them?) routinely match the other competitors or if they are among the bottom ranks.

The Galaxy Nexus (Verizon) has quirks related to the above, but overall I can't let go of this damn thing.

Here was my problem. I know some people just want their smartphone to work, and to do it with some flair (iPhone, Droid Razr, etc)... but I treat my smartphone like a computer, and well... this is anandtech right? -- customizing is how I roll. 😀
My first smartphone was the Omnia, and I had never done anything with a phone before, and slowly got the ball rolling and ROMing came quickly and felt natural. The Droid came and rescued me from WinMo hell, and I spent a good long time researching on that one... sat on it stock for about two or three months I think! 😱
But it was getting long in the tooth, and I jumped on the Bionic... like an idiot. Honestly, I wasn't sure about the Galaxy Nexus. For one thing, it still wasn't entirely a sure bet on Verizon - a lot of strong rumors, but Verizon likes to fashion themselves retarded on occasion (more often than not it seems lately) - as the same happened for the Nexus One and ultimately Verizon nixed the deal; secondly, I was leery of "downgrading" from Motorola to a Samsung, when they, even in my own experience, have historically suffered weaker reception in comparison.
That, and I was basically lusting over the Bionic since the original device, then followed all the rumors and leaks that detailed the canceled Bionic and it's replacement with the device code-named Targa. That ultimately got branded the Bionic, and I liked everything about it - save for the slightly excessive bulk and, worst of all, a locked bootloader. Sure, one could ROM it with workarounds, but you could never customize the kernel... but I must admit I don't know about flashing radios, not sure if the bootloader hinders that.

I had to use my dad's upgrade (share plan), so I might have to pay for a basic phone for him if he decides to upgrade in the next year or so :\ but I did get the Galaxy Nexus for $250 instead of $650... so I'll still make out in the end. 😀

And it was so worth it. The Bionic was getting on my nerves, and I didn't want to merely play in a sandbox, I wanted the endless dunes.
The overall SGN, plus extended battery, plus the translucent glossy TPU case from Verizon... it about the overall size of my naked Bionic. :biggrin: And it's so much faster... seriously, with the right combination of kernels, even with overclocks, and the expansive configuration options and tweaks, ultimately nets you better performance with better battery life and device longevity. I do stress if done right, however. But with those kind of gains, I can't turn it all down, and as I discovered, I also have it have it in the first place. I also cannot accept a walled garden. 😉 It would have it's benefits, but I like to have it may way with my computing devices, and the SGN as I have it definitely appears to meet all my wishes.

edit:
dammit, I just realized this was all in reply to a thread that is apparently not about the Galaxy Nexus or about anything I typed, saved for the Android discussion. Well damn! So it goes, already typed and submitted, it stays.
 
I can see the open source advantages of an unlocked bootloader but what's the reason for them? It seems like it's more engineering work to secure the bootloader... What's the rationale for Asus to lock it down?

Probably someone in the management crunched some numbers and thought they would save money on returns and support caused by bad flash and other user errors while attempting to mod. What the suits don't realize is how much more sales they gain from enthusiasts recommending their product due to easy of mod and community support. It's going to do Asus no good if the bad publicity and angry backlash causes Transformer Prime to rot in store warehouses unsold. They're going to lose even more money than money saved from fewer RMA.

What's interesting is Asus priced Prime $100 more than their last Gen Transformer tablet. $400 vs $500. At $500, it's the same price as the iPad and we know most people will choose the iPad over an Android tablet at the same price point. So Asus needs the enthusiasts market to help sell Prime. Casual Android users are happy with their $200-300 tablets. Enthusiasts are the ones who will spend $500 for highend Android tablet and theyre going to want unlocked bootloader. The very people Asus want to sell to, they're turning away with their dumb decision to save some money on returns. I'm going to laugh if this locked bootloader thing causes Prime to be a sales flop. Then Asus will have to discount to move the unsold units and it will be bigger loss than if Asus had simply kept the bootloader open.
 
I will say that I bought an original Transformer and I don't think it's ever mattered to me that the bootloader is locked or unlocked. I'm not even sure that the bootloader is unlocked (I presume it isn't...?). The bootloader did not play any kind of role in my purchasing decision at all.
 
this just tipped me over, I have 2 pre-ordered from j&r since early December with still no activity.
I believe will just cancel my orders. I am one of the few who like to mess around with roms and a
Locked boot loader limits the development.

To bad asus
 
That's the beauty of android though, if one company locks it's bootloader there should be several that don't.
 
who cares Asus was never a big player in android now they are even more meaningless.

Wasn't the first Transformer the top selling HoneyComb tablet? Asus was well on its way to being a contender in the Android tablet market until this misstep.
 
Asus will be providing an boot loader unlock utility for the adventurous. They however are mandating that anybody doing so will void the warranty.
 
Asus will be providing an boot loader unlock utility for the adventurous. They however are mandating that anybody doing so will void the warranty.

That's acceptable compromise. ASUS should've made it clear from the get go. What I find sort of funny is Google DRM excuse for the reason for the bootloader encryption lock.

Regarding the bootloader, the reason we chose to lock it is due to content providers' requirement for DRM client devices to be as secure as possible. ASUS supports Google DRM in order to provide users with a high quality video rental experience. Also, based on our experience, users who choose to root their devices risk breaking the system completely. However, we know there is demand in the modding community to have an unlocked bootloader. Therefore, ASUS is developing an unlock tool for that community. Please do note that if you choose to unlock your device, the ASUS warranty will be void, and Google video rental will also be unavailable because the device will be no longer protected by security mechanism.

So let me get this straight. Asus encrypted the bootloader because in order to use Google video rental, it needs the encrypted bootloader? 😵 🙄 If this is true, why doesn't Galaxy Nexus have encrypted bootloader?
 
It looks like Asus is determined to make sure the Prime isn't as successful as the original transformer.

Do you really think so? I just dont think its that big of a deal to most people.

The hardcore gunners used to poopoo the 1911 in 9mm, said it would never work. The model is alive and selling.

The hotrodders have always bitched about the Mustang rear end. No one will argue that isnt selling.

Of course the IT crowd with locked bootloaders and such.

I think the perceptions of how damaging something like that is to sales is skewed by the group. Since we generally interact heavily with other like minded individuals its easy to adopt the mindset something like that is disastrous to sales. But in the big scheme of things does it matter?

I havent really seen any concrete evidence to support the theory locked devices sell noticeably worse than open devices.
 
I havent really seen any concrete evidence to support the theory locked devices sell noticeably worse than open devices.

Have you ever seen anyone buy a device just because it has encrypted bootloader? Yeah, me neither.

Have you ever seen anyone not buy a device just because it has encrypted bootloader? Yes, already couple people in this thread.

:sneaky:
 
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