Apparently NY is pushing to mandate all vaccinations

[SunnyD]

Including the HPV vaccine which can actually cause cancer...

God I love this state! Now to remember why I moved back here again...

 

[BurnItDwn]

sounds like a common sense proposal to me.
Schools have required vaccinations for a long time, and it's really helped to push down disease rates.

 

[jonks]

According to the FDA and CDC, the vaccine has only minor side effects, such as soreness around the injection area. The FDA and CDC consider the vaccine to be completely safe. It does not contain mercury, thimerosal or live or dead virus, only virus-like particles, which cannot reproduce in the human body.[43] Merck, the manufacturer of Gardasil, will continue to test women who have received the vaccine to determine the vaccine's efficacy over the period of a lifetime.


[edit] Anti-vaccination groups
A group called the National Vaccine Information Center released an article on Feb 22, 2007, about Gardasil. NVIC is a non-governmental, non-profit organization "dedicated to preventing vaccine injuries and deaths through public education." The NVIC does not conduct scientific research, but is highly critical of most vaccinations including the influenza, chickenpox, tetanus, and the Measles, Mumps and Rubella (MMR) vaccines.[44] The NVIC claims "new analysis of the federal Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System reports of serious health problems following HPV vaccination (Merck's GARDASIL) during the last six months of 2006." However, reports from the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System database are subject to interpretation as explained at the official website: "When evaluating data from VAERS, it is important to note that for any reported event, no cause and effect relationship has been established... VAERS collects data on any adverse event following vaccination, be it coincidental or truly caused by a vaccine." The NVIC interprets the information in VAERS to mean that "two thirds of the 385 adverse incidents are related to Gardasil injections required secondary medical treatment." The FDA does not believe the vaccine causes serious health problems. The NVIC article goes on to say, "event reports to VAERS do[es] not prove causation."

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Where is your evidence the vaccine causes cancer? What has been PROVEN is that HPV causes cancer.

 

[SunnyD]

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
sounds like a common sense proposal to me.
Schools have required vaccinations for a long time, and it's really helped to push down disease rates.

How about this provision:

"A licensed physician, or in a hospital, a staff physician, may diagnose,
treat or prescribe curative or preventive treatment against sexually transmissible disease or infection, including vaccines, for a person under the age of {twenty-one} EIGHTEEN years
without the consent or knowledge of the parents or guardian of said
person, where such person is infected with a sexually transmissible
disease, or has been exposed to infection with a sexually transmissible
disease, or is at risk of exposure to sexually transmitted disease."

You as a parent no longer get final say on what your doctor does to your kid? I think not. Note the last line... basically the doc can say "Well, you're 8 years old, and you COULD be having sex, so here goes..."

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: sirjonk
According to the FDA and CDC, the vaccine has only minor side effects, such as soreness around the injection area. The FDA and CDC consider the vaccine to be completely safe. It does not contain mercury, thimerosal or live or dead virus, only virus-like particles, which cannot reproduce in the human body.[43] Merck, the manufacturer of Gardasil, will continue to test women who have received the vaccine to determine the vaccine's efficacy over the period of a lifetime.


[edit] Anti-vaccination groups
A group called the National Vaccine Information Center released an article on Feb 22, 2007, about Gardasil. NVIC is a non-governmental, non-profit organization "dedicated to preventing vaccine injuries and deaths through public education." The NVIC does not conduct scientific research, but is highly critical of most vaccinations including the influenza, chickenpox, tetanus, and the Measles, Mumps and Rubella (MMR) vaccines.[44] The NVIC claims "new analysis of the federal Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System reports of serious health problems following HPV vaccination (Merck's GARDASIL) during the last six months of 2006." However, reports from the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System database are subject to interpretation as explained at the official website: "When evaluating data from VAERS, it is important to note that for any reported event, no cause and effect relationship has been established... VAERS collects data on any adverse event following vaccination, be it coincidental or truly caused by a vaccine." The NVIC interprets the information in VAERS to mean that "two thirds of the 385 adverse incidents are related to Gardasil injections required secondary medical treatment." The FDA does not believe the vaccine causes serious health problems. The NVIC article goes on to say, "event reports to VAERS do[es] not prove causation."

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where do you offer evidence of cancer causation?

And remember corrollation != causation

As a side note, I think this is good for the health of the population as a whole. I think it is more breaking down of our civil liberties, and personal choices.

 

[manlymatt83]

This is ridiculous. Especially since every doctor I've ever seen/known that would support a bill like this treats medicine like candy and ignores all negative press about the pharmaceutical industry.

 

[eits]

you can thank pharmaceutical companies for this.

 

[minendo]

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
sounds like a common sense proposal to me.
Schools have required vaccinations for a long time, and it's really helped to push down disease rates.

There are exceptions to vaccination requirements for schools based on a person's beliefs, views, etc.

 

[So]

The problem comes from idiot parents getting scared when they hear myths about vaccinations and don't get their kids the basic vaccines that are 100% safe and necessary to protect their children. The result: third world disease breakouts in American schools.

 

[Turin39789]

I've always refused my MMR vaccination.

 

[dainthomas]

My daughter always gets her required vaccinations. These crackpot groups that rail against vaccinations would crack me up if they weren't exposing the gullible to potential infection by these serious diseases.

 

[tw1164]

Ugh, the comments on that page are lol. I couldn't imagine how bad it would feel if my child were to get deathly ill/die from a disease that was easily avoidable had them been vaccinated. My daughter goes for her 18mth shots next week.

 

[darrontrask]

Having done some non-scientific reseach of the effects of vaccines against communicable diseases. I found that most diseases that vaccines were developed for were already on a decline when a vaccine was discovered. Further more vaccines have not been proven to prevent disease. There are plenty of Whooping Cough outbreaks where 85%+ of the population was vaccinated and more than the 15% that werent were affected.

I happen to be one the "crackpots" that believe vaccines do more harm than good. I watch my son tell me he loved me and show affection and play. the day he recieved his 18 mo vaccines his armed swelled to twice its normal size, he developed a rash over his entire body and screamed for 2 days straight. He immediately ceased to smile, talk, and play. After 6 years of intense therapy he does have limited speech. he still rarely smiles and does not understand the world around him.

I will exercise my right to bear arms and protect my children if anyone ever comes near my children again with a syringe.


Darron

 

[Saint Michael]

I'm in full support of this. There's no reason for kids to suffer because their paranoid hippy parents wouldn't vaccinate them.

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: Saint Michael
I'm in full support of this. There's no reason for kids to suffer because their paranoid hippy parents wouldn't vaccinate them.

Originally posted by: darrontrask
Having done some non-scientific reseach of the effects of vaccines against communicable diseases. I found that most diseases that vaccines were developed for were already on a decline when a vaccine was discovered. Further more vaccines have not been proven to prevent disease. There are plenty of Whooping Cough outbreaks where 85%+ of the population was vaccinated and more than the 15% that werent were affected.

I happen to be one the "crackpots" that believe vaccines do more harm than good. I watch my son tell me he loved me and show affection and play. the day he recieved his 18 mo vaccines his armed swelled to twice its normal size, he developed a rash over his entire body and screamed for 2 days straight. He immediately ceased to smile, talk, and play. After 6 years of intense therapy he does have limited speech. he still rarely smiles and does not understand the world around him.

I will exercise my right to bear arms and protect my children if anyone ever comes near my children again with a syringe.


Darron

Some kids suffer FROM the vaccine. In this case the cure is worse then the disease.

 

[Mxylplyx]

I saw some good commentary not too long ago about people who refuse vaccines on religious of some hippy based grounds. They feel safe having their little ideals, because they have grown up in an envirionment mostly free from contagious disease BECAUSE of the prevalance of vaccines that almost everyone else takes. People who refuse vaccinations for themselves or their kids are a danger to people around them. With that said, vaccines should be very heavily vetted before they are mandated by the state. The military mandating the anthrax vaccine for military personnel a few years is a great example of how a vaccine should NOT be forced upon the public.

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: darrontrask
Having done some non-scientific reseach of the effects of vaccines against communicable diseases. I found that most diseases that vaccines were developed for were already on a decline when a vaccine was discovered. Further more vaccines have not been proven to prevent disease. There are plenty of Whooping Cough outbreaks where 85%+ of the population was vaccinated and more than the 15% that werent were affected.

I happen to be one the "crackpots" that believe vaccines do more harm than good. I watch my son tell me he loved me and show affection and play. the day he recieved his 18 mo vaccines his armed swelled to twice its normal size, he developed a rash over his entire body and screamed for 2 days straight. He immediately ceased to smile, talk, and play. After 6 years of intense therapy he does have limited speech. he still rarely smiles and does not understand the world around him.

I will exercise my right to bear arms and protect my children if anyone ever comes near my children again with a syringe.


Darron

Yep, this is why all children who get immunizations have ceased to smile, tlak and play and have 6 years of intense therapy they still have limited speech. The world is fucked I say. Let's go back to before vaccinations were discovered and have ridiculous infant mortality rates, spontaneous abortion rates, congenital birth defect rates. Doesn't everyone miss the good ol' days of the 4 humors, before "cells" and "immunology" were invented by greedy corporations

 

[mezrah]

Originally posted by: darrontrask
Having done some non-scientific reseach of the effects of vaccines against communicable diseases. I found that most diseases that vaccines were developed for were already on a decline when a vaccine was discovered. Further more vaccines have not been proven to prevent disease. There are plenty of Whooping Cough outbreaks where 85%+ of the population was vaccinated and more than the 15% that werent were affected.

I happen to be one the "crackpots" that believe vaccines do more harm than good. I watch my son tell me he loved me and show affection and play. the day he recieved his 18 mo vaccines his armed swelled to twice its normal size, he developed a rash over his entire body and screamed for 2 days straight. He immediately ceased to smile, talk, and play. After 6 years of intense therapy he does have limited speech. he still rarely smiles and does not understand the world around him.

I will exercise my right to bear arms and protect my children if anyone ever comes near my children again with a syringe.


Darron

I'm with you. While I did get my daughter her shots up until 12 months, we havent' gotten any since then. My wife and I are doing more research before we decide whether to continue getting vaccinations for my daughter. I'm not closed to the idea, but we are definitely researching both sides of the issue.

PS - my doctor wanted to give my daughter a chicken pox vaccine...I laughed in her face. Why are we vaccinating against the chicken pox? No good answer came for that one.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: tw1164
Ugh, the comments on that page are lol. I couldn't imagine how bad it would feel if my child were to get deathly ill/die from a disease that was easily avoidable had them been vaccinated. My daughter goes for her 18mth shots next week.

and that is just about when autism comes to the surface....

 

[Oyeve]

Ug, mandatory flu shots. Not for my son. You know why every year more and more people die from the flu? Because of the vaccines. It just mutates the flu virus into something stronger and stronger and one day we wil all die from the super-flu because of these vaccines. Sorry, but I would rather take my chances fighting most of these without a shot.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Oyeve
Ug, mandatory flu shots. Not for my son. You know why every year more and more people die from the flu? Because of the vaccines. It just mutates the flu virus into something stronger and stronger and one day we wil all die from the super-flu because of these vaccines. Sorry, but I would rather take my chances fighting most of these without a shot.

i will never get another flu shot as long as i live. they dont do shit other than make a few billion dollars for the drug companies each fall.

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: Oyeve
Ug, mandatory flu shots. Not for my son. You know why every year more and more people die from the flu? Because of the vaccines. It just mutates the flu virus into something stronger and stronger and one day we wil all die from the super-flu because of these vaccines. Sorry, but I would rather take my chances fighting most of these without a shot.

ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS. Flu pandemics dont come from the antigenic drifts that go from year to year, they come from antigenic shifts after recombining its DNA with a zoonotic flu virus (like avian flu). It has nothing to do with giving flu shots to people. EIther you get the flu shot and build immunity then, or get the flu and build immunity through that way. Either way, that specific strain is getting weeded out after its run its course

 

[Whisper]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: tw1164
Ugh, the comments on that page are lol. I couldn't imagine how bad it would feel if my child were to get deathly ill/die from a disease that was easily avoidable had them been vaccinated. My daughter goes for her 18mth shots next week.

and that is just about when autism comes to the surface....

To the best of my knowledge (I'm not an Autism/Autism-Spectrum Disorder researcher, but there are a handful of very talented ones here), the onset of Autism or an ASD has not been linked to any type of vaccination, nor to certain diets, such as those high in food dye or refined sugars.

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: Whisper

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: tw1164
Ugh, the comments on that page are lol. I couldn't imagine how bad it would feel if my child were to get deathly ill/die from a disease that was easily avoidable had them been vaccinated. My daughter goes for her 18mth shots next week.

and that is just about when autism comes to the surface....

To the best of my knowledge (I'm not an Autism/Autism-Spectrum Disorder researcher, but there are a handful of very talented ones here), the onset of Autism or an ASD has not been linked to any type of vaccination, nor to certain diets, such as those high in food dye or refined sugars.

Yeah, I believe they've done autism rates in general populations vs. isolated groups that refuse vaccinations and there have been no conclusive study that says the genpop is having ridiuclous amounts of autism. The rising trend is mostly from incraesed dx of the disorder

 

[Jumpem]

Originally posted by: SunnyD
You as a parent no longer get final say on what your doctor does to your kid? I think not. Note the last line... basically the doc can say "Well, you're 8 years old, and you COULD be having sex, so here goes..."

It has already been that way. Look at abortion. A child can kill their unborn child, and the parents could never know or give consent.