Apparently a Less-Warm Planet Requires Loads of Pork, Red Tape, and Union Favoritism

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I don't know about where you are, but it is getting very, very cold in Washington, DC right now. The sun is covered by gathering storm clouds and what has been a cool summer has become a portent to a very chilly winter. I guess if you live in the Rockies or the northern Plains States where you are getting some great snow dumps, you might think most of us are kind of wimpy here. But with one of the earliest snowstorms ever expected in Pennsylvania, I am going skiing in October! Booyah!

I blame global warming, of course. Global warming means frigid temperatures and that means we have to stop that warming trend so that we can ski year round, right?

Of course with the price of lift tickets being what they are, I certainly do not want to have more taxes on energy to keep me warm when I am off the slopes, do I? No siree Bob!

But I am WAY out of the logic mainstream of the One Party Democrat Congress and the Democrat Administration of Hizzoner President B. H. Obama, so all I will likely get is humble pie and a massive universal tax bite. And you will, too.

Apparently a Less-Warm Planet Requires Loads of Pork, Red Tape, and Union Favoritism

Apparently a Less-Warm Planet Requires Loads of Pork, Red Tape, and Union Favoritism


by Jon Sanders
Tuesday, October 13, 2009

Jon Sanders is a policy analyst and research editor at the John Locke Foundation. A regular columnist for TownHall.com, Sanders has also been published in The Wall Street Journal, National Review, ABC News online, FrontPage Magazine, the San Francisco Chronicle, The Freeman: Ideas on Liberty, the Philadelphia Inquirer and numerous newspapers throughout North Carolina. A native of Garner, N.C., Sanders has been an adjunct instructor in economics at North Carolina State University, and he holds a masters degree in economics with a minor in statistics and a bachelors degree in English literature and language from N.C. State.

An Associated Press story last week related "good news" about expected heating costs this winter: namely, it will cost people less to heat their homes this year, according to the Energy Information Administration. To read the story, one would think that the government considers that to be good news, too.

Under a cap-and-trade regime, however, this same news would be considered calamitous. By the government, that is ? consumers would, of course, remain consistent in their opinion that higher energy costs are bad news and lower costs, good. Making energy more expensive is what the whole cap-and-trade scheme depends on.

The House legislation known as cap-and-trade, HR 2454 (Waxman-Markey), is intended to limit (cap) greenhouse-gas emissions in the United States, including especially carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions, starting in 2012. The cap would be set initially at a level 3 percent lower than U.S. emissions in 2005 and would tighten by 2050 to be at 83 percent lower than 2005 emissions.

It is important to understand that emissions are a byproduct of energy production, especially from fossil fuels, and 85 percent of U.S. energy is from fossil fuels. The cap would begin by restricting energy production until it is forced into so-called "green" energy alternatives (which never include emissions-free but maddeningly efficient nuclear power) ? alternatives that are far too inefficient to work without government forcing people onto them.

By effectively limiting energy production and forcing new production to come from new, highly inefficient sources, the legislation would greatly increase the cost of electricity on everyone: the working poor, families struggling on the cusp of poverty, college students, elderly on fixed incomes, small businesses, everybody.

Think of every subgroup of people that has ever been held forth by the Democrats for universal sympathy as a substitute for an argument in favor of some piece of legislation. Think of every time the Democrats have ever said we must pass such-and-such bill because it would help this group of people and hey, the only conceivable reason someone wouldn't support this bill is if he hates those people. Well, of all those groups, every last one of them would be harmed by cap-and-trade. On purpose.

The ripple effects ? the trickle-up misery ? of the government deliberately raising the cost of energy in this country is hard to imagine even during a steep recession. According to Heritage Foundation research, it would reduce aggregate GDP by $9.4 trillion by 2035, kill about 1.15 million jobs per year, cause a 90-percent spike in electricity rates (adjusted for inflation), add to the federal debt nearly $30,000 per person (adjusted for inflation), and cause the average family's annual energy bill to jump by over $1,200 (inflation-adjusted).

The Heritage Foundation might even be sunshine optimists in their estimation. A Freedom of Information Act request by Christopher C. Horner at the Competitive Enterprise Institute resulted (eventually) in the public knowledge that the U.S. Treasury Dept. has estimated the total in new taxes under cap-and-trade would be between $100- to $200-billion per year, meaning the cost per American household would be over $1,700 per year.

Still, it's never enough to favor or oppose legislation based on looking at one side of the ledger sheet. Who would benefit under a cap-and-trade scheme as envisioned in Waxman-Markey?

One group that has already benefited has been swing-vote congressmen and their friends. The week that it passed the House, $130,000's worth of PAC donations were made to 41 swing Democrats, and where campaign donations weren't enough to do the trick, pork-barrel politicking was (a New York Times headline put it this way: "With Something for Everyone, Climate Bill Passed").

If the bill were to become law, then benefactors would also include the ever-growing list of favored businesses that would be granted free carbon allowances. Along with the arbitrary caps the government would place on emissions would be emissions permits, or allowances, that the government would institute. Allowances signify how much carbon a business could legally emit. With emissions capped, there would be only so many allowances available, and they would be valuable commodities that "cleaner and greener" businesses could sell to "still-polluting" firms (this is the "trade" portion of cap-and-trade). How to distribute those allowances initially would be very important; the Obama administration wants them auctioned off, whereas the House leadership found it necessary for the bill's passage to promise giveaways of allowances to firms in key representatives' districts.

The market for those allowances would be staggering; by some estimates, in five years it would become the largest commodities market in the world. Even White House budget director Peter Orszag said the prospect of giving firm the allowances for free "would represent the largest corporate welfare program that has ever been enacted in the history of the United States."

It follows, then, that other benefactors would be those involved in the newly created "carbon market" ? energy companies, commodities brokers, government bureaucrats, and speculators. The bureaucrats would gain also from the many new government jobs needed for information gathering, a National Greenhouse Gas Registry, and the like. Corporate compliance officers would also find their services in more demand to help firms manage the even thornier red-tape jungle.

Domestic firms would benefit from embedded protectionist measures ostensibly to prevent "leakage," by which is meant imports produced by foreign firms untouched by emissions strictures or international firms moving jobs out of the U.S. in order to avoid them. The bill recognizes that it would impose such a massive cost on production that it would, if outside competitors didn't also have to bear it, cripple U.S. industry, so the answer is to institute an "Emission Allowance Rebate Program" for domestic firms and allow the president to require importers to show proof of carbon offsets or emissions allowances (which would amount to a tariff).

Carbon offsets, by the way, would be another way that firms who emit more than their "fair share" could legally continue to do so ? they would have to purchase carbon offsets from landscapers and tree planters (everyone knows shrubs and trees scrub the environment of carbon pollution). Forestry interests would thereby be other significant benefactors of Waxman-Markey.

Labor unions would benefit from the bill's requirements of contractors and subcontractors to be subject to the Davis-Bacon Act of 1931, especially the "prevailing wage" portion that so effectively prices out small and minority-owned businesses. And anyone with a project that can wrangle it a designation as a "Green Construction Careers Demonstration Project" would rest assured in the knowledge that the government would see to it the project would not fail. There is also a highly specific list of "targeted workers" for green construction projects who would also benefit, a few examples of which include child welfare recipients, residents in a community empowerment zone, residents in an area in which at least one-fifth of households during the past two years never exceeded 200 percent of the federal poverty guidelines, and displaced homemakers.

Finally, certain industries would benefit as well, including such pre-Industrial Revolution powerhouses as leather and allied goods, bags, paper, all kinds of publishing (newspapers, periodicals, books), and cutlery and hand tools.

Benefits to the planet itself ? remember the ostensible reason for such a gargantuan program that only incidentally would raise over $1,700 in new taxes per American household? ? are entirely theoretical. Apparently some estimates are that by 2050 the planet would be some very small fraction of a degree Celsius cooler-than-projected-warming (which means still warmer, but by a smidge less). Meanwhile, other, poorer nations will continue to chase after energy generation because it is so important to growing economies, lifting living standards, and in general improving life and the enjoyment thereof. China's rate of growth in its energy production is such that within another two decades its emissions level would equal that of the entire world's right now.

Again, weighing the full costs and benefits of proposed legislation is what responsible citizens do. Cap-and-trade's costs may be significant, but don't forget its benefits include increasing government corruption, growing bureaucracy, promoting pork-barrel politics, exploiting the poor, and empowering labor unions. Add to that freedom from the fear that winter heating costs might fall again as they did in 2009-10, and the true worth of the idea should become evident to all.
 

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1) BJ jabber hates Obama

2)BJ Jabber blames a democratic congress for the world's problems

3) BJ Jabber realizes only democrats load any bill with Pork because Republican's could NEVER do this :roll:
 

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The John Locke Foundation is a free market think tank in North Carolina started in 1990. The organization advocates lowering taxes, decreasing spending on social support programs, and encouraging free markets. John Hood is its current president.

The Foundation is concerned primarily with state and local issues. The greater part of its funding comes from North Carolina and national conservative grantmaking foundations, some led by Republican party activists.

Why am I not surprised?

Edit: Oh, an by the way, another typical PJABBER post: Vacuous, troll-like lead in, then a long quote from a conservative-mouthpiece organization.
 

rudder

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Originally posted by: Ausm
1) BJ jabber hates Obama

2)BJ Jabber blames a democratic congress for the world's problems

3) BJ Jabber realizes only democrats load any bill with Pork because Republican's could NEVER do this :roll:

1) Nothing we can do about that
2) The Dems are in control and pushing through the cap and trade bill. The house passed it even before it was finished. Eventually it will be law and American tax dollars will be going to 3rd world countries so they dont cut down trees... among other things.
3) Just about every member of congress is a greedy SOB. But this cap and trade bill is being touted by the democrats and is gonna make energy costs more expensive for the average American.
 

PJABBER

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BTW, what HAPPENED to global warming? Why is is it so damn cold, and has been getting colder for the past 11 years when all of the sky is falling alarmists have said that the melting polar ice caps will have the rising ocean tide lapping at the feet of Lady Liberty in New York Harbor?

Maybe, just maybe, the alarmists are 100% wrong. If I were them I would start studying solar patterns for clues. Oh, yeah. Not much in the way of government grants for THAT.

[/i]The global warming consensus cools

The global warming consensus cools

Debra J. Saunders
San Francisco Chronicle
Tuesday, October 13, 2009

Debra J. Saunders is a columnist for The San Francisco Chronicle. Debra Saunders has also written for The Wall Street Journal, The National Review, and Reader's Digest. Debra Saunders is the author of the book The World According to Gore. Saunders is married to Wesley J. Smith, a lawyer, author and senior fellow in bioethics at the Discovery Institute.

"What happened to global warming?" read the headline - on BBC News on Oct. 9, no less. Consider it a cataclysmic event: Mainstream news organizations have begun reporting on scientific research that suggests that global warming may not be caused by man and may not be as dire and imminent as alarmists suggest.

Indeed, as the BBC's climate correspondent Paul Hudson reported, the warmest year recorded globally "was not in 2008 or 2007, but 1998." It's true, he continued, "For the last 11 years, we have not observed any increase in global temperatures."

At a London conference later this month, Hudson reported, solar scientist Piers Corbyn will present evidence that solar-charged particles have a big impact on global temperatures.

Western Washington University geologist Don J. Easterbrook presented research last year that suggests that the Pacific decadal oscillation (PDO) caused warmer temperatures in the 1980s and 1990s. With Pacific sea surface temperatures cooling, Easterbrook expects 30 years of global cooling.

EPA analyst Alan Carlin - an MIT-trained economist with a degree in physics - referred to "solar variability" and Easterbrook's work in a document that warned that politics had prompted the Environmental Protection Agency and countries to pay "too little attention to the science of global warming" as partisans ignored the lack of global warming over the past 10 years. At first the EPA buried the paper, then it permitted Carlin to post it on his personal Web site.

In May, Fortune reported on the testimony of John Christy, University of Alabama-Huntsville Earth System Science Center director, before the House Ways and Means Committee. Christy is a 2001 Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report signatory who believes human effects have a warming influence, but rejects the disaster scenarios.

As Christy told the committee, climate models rely on land temperature data that are distorted and exaggerated by surface development - that is, asphalt and buildings. In a nice bit of research, Christy, who is also the Alabama state climatologist, debunked the temperature increase predictions made by NASA scientist James Hansen in 1988. "The real atmosphere," Christy testified, "has many ways to respond to the changes that the extra CO2 is forcing upon it."

Add Christy, Easterbrook and Corbyn to the long list of scientists who see climate as a complex issue rather than an opportunity to sermonize and lecture the general public.

Over the years, global warming alarmists have sought to stifle debate by arguing that there was no debate. They bullied dissenters and ex-communicated nonbelievers from their panels. In the name of science, disciples made it a virtue to not recognize the existence of scientists such as MIT's Richard Lindzen and Colorado State University's William Gray.

For a long time, that approach worked. But after 11 years without record temperatures that had the seas spilling over the Statue of Liberty's toes, they are going to have to change tactics.

They're going to have to rely on real data, not failed models and scare stories, and the Big Lie that everyone who counts agrees with them.
 

shira

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Originally posted by: PJABBER
BTW, what HAPPENED to global warming? Why is is it so damn cold, and has been getting colder for the past 11 years when all of the sky is falling alarmists have said that the melting polar ice caps will have the rising ocean tide lapping at the feet of Lady Liberty in New York Harbor?

Maybe, just maybe, the alarmists are 100% wrong. If I were them I would start studying solar patterns for clues. Oh, yeah. Not much in the way of government grants for THAT.

[/i]The global warming consensus cools

The global warming consensus cools

Debra J. Saunders
San Francisco Chronicle
Tuesday, October 13, 2009

Debra J. Saunders is a columnist for The San Francisco Chronicle. Debra Saunders has also written for The Wall Street Journal, The National Review, and Reader's Digest. Debra Saunders is the author of the book The World According to Gore. Saunders is married to Wesley J. Smith, a lawyer, author and senior fellow in bioethics at the Discovery Institute.

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Hmm. Wonder what Wiki has to say about the Discovery Institute:

The Discovery Institute is a conservative non-profit public policy U.S. think tank based in Seattle, Washington, best known for its advocacy of intelligent design. Its Teach the Controversy campaign aims to teach creationist anti-evolution beliefs in United States public high school science courses. A federal court, along with the majority of scientific organizations, including the American Association for the Advancement of Science, say the Institute has manufactured the controversy they want to teach by promoting a false perception that evolution is "a theory in crisis", through incorrectly claiming that it is the subject of wide controversy and debate within the scientific community. In 2005, a federal court ruled that the Discovery Institute pursues "demonstrably religious, cultural, and legal missions", and the institute's manifesto, the Wedge strategy, describes a religious goal: to "reverse the stifling dominance of the materialist worldview, and to replace it with a science consonant with Christian and theistic convictions".[

Gee, does the Discovery Institute's anti-evolution strategy sound a little bit like PJABBER's anti-climate-change rhetoric?

 

PJABBER

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Originally posted by: Ausm
1) BJ jabber hates Obama

2)BJ Jabber blames a democratic congress for the world's problems

3) BJ Jabber realizes only democrats load any bill with Pork because Republican's could NEVER do this :roll:

1) Check out my sig. I am a friendly Snowman with a slight smile and a pointy carrot nose. I hate no one but totalitarians. Is Obama a totalitarian? When I am not skiing I am wondering why we elected a singularly inept and unaccomplished President that adheres to virtually every heretofore rejected leftish cult fantasy of the past 90 years.

2) I blame the One Party Democrat Congress for also living out every heretofore rejected leftish cult fantasy of the past 90 years, but is now actually building incomprehensible 1000+ page legislative monstrosities to make sure we ALL get to experience these failed fantasies at their worst. While, all the while, failing to address any real problems.

3) I blame all political Parties for rolling in the pork, but I assign special accountability for the One Party (Democrat) government that is in power and currently responsible for virtually all of the pork that has been charged to the American taxpayer over the past two years and nine months.

:roll:
 

PJABBER

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Originally posted by: shira
Originally posted by: PJABBER
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Gee, does the Discovery Institute's anti-evolution strategy sound a little bit like PJABBER's anti-climate-change rhetoric?

Gee, does it feel real chilly here or is it just me?

:laugh:

I always enjoy Shira's ad hominem attacks and slay the messenger replies as they are inevitably deflections from ever actually addressing the points made in the original posts!

Keep up the intellectual rigor! Or maybe that is just intellectual rigor mortis in your case?

:D
 

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Anyone care to actually comment on Cap & Trade, or the potential impacts it may have, or is everyone too busy attacking the source and the messenger?

C&T is one of the worst pieces of legislation in the history of this country, hands-down.
 

Fingolfin269

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What I love about this place most is how the people writing the articles are checked up on instead of the content of their writing. Amazing!
 

shira

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Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
Anyone care to actually comment on Cap & Trade, or the potential impacts it may have, or is everyone too busy attacking the source and the messenger?

C&T is one of the worst pieces of legislation in the history of this country, hands-down.

Attacking the messenger?

Show me "messengers" who are a significant group of respected, mainstream scientists, and I'll respond to PJABBER'S posts. There's no point in debating religious and ideologically-driven fanatics.
 

PJABBER

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Originally posted by: shira
Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
Anyone care to actually comment on Cap & Trade, or the potential impacts it may have, or is everyone too busy attacking the source and the messenger?

C&T is one of the worst pieces of legislation in the history of this country, hands-down.

Attacking the messenger?

Show me "messengers" who are a significant group of respected, mainstream scientists, and I'll respond to PJABBER'S posts. There's no point in debating religious and ideologically-driven fanatics.

Weak, very weak. Par for the course, though!

:laugh:
 

shira

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Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
What I love about this place most is how the people writing the articles are checked up on instead of the content of their writing. Amazing!

PJABBER's sources have no standing in a SCIENTIFIC debate.

Do you think climatologists read articles by non-climatologists as part of their scientific inquiries? Why, then, should we?
 

bfdd

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Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
What I love about this place most is how the people writing the articles are checked up on instead of the content of their writing. Amazing!

Yeah, it's fantastic. Fuck what they write, they might have some association with someone or some place that has some or all differing views than my own so I can't even read what they write.
 

shira

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Originally posted by: PJABBER
Originally posted by: shira
Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
Anyone care to actually comment on Cap & Trade, or the potential impacts it may have, or is everyone too busy attacking the source and the messenger?

C&T is one of the worst pieces of legislation in the history of this country, hands-down.

Attacking the messenger?

Show me "messengers" who are a significant group of respected, mainstream scientists, and I'll respond to PJABBER'S posts. There's no point in debating religious and ideologically-driven fanatics.

Weak, very weak. Par for the course, though!

:laugh:

No, you're the one who's weak. You can't find disciplined science to support your ideology, so you post from right-wing ideologues. Yeah, that'll teach those damn scientists.
 

shira

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Originally posted by: bfdd
Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
What I love about this place most is how the people writing the articles are checked up on instead of the content of their writing. Amazing!

Yeah, it's fantastic. Fuck what they write, they might have some association with someone or some place that has some or all differing views than my own so I can't even read what they write.

I wouldn't so much as read their name-tags if I could avoid it. These nut-jobs and their transparent agendas have been laughed out of the courts.

Why not post some tripe from Holocaust deniers, then we can "debate" that, too.
 

TheSkinsFan

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Originally posted by: shira
Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
Anyone care to actually comment on Cap & Trade, or the potential impacts it may have, or is everyone too busy attacking the source and the messenger?

C&T is one of the worst pieces of legislation in the history of this country, hands-down.

Attacking the messenger?

Show me "messengers" who are a significant group of respected, mainstream scientists, and I'll respond to PJABBER'S posts. There's no point in debating religious and ideologically-driven fanatics.
WTF does any of that have to do with a discussion of the C&T bill and the possible negative impacts it may have on society?
 

TheSkinsFan

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Originally posted by: shira
Originally posted by: bfdd
Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
What I love about this place most is how the people writing the articles are checked up on instead of the content of their writing. Amazing!

Yeah, it's fantastic. Fuck what they write, they might have some association with someone or some place that has some or all differing views than my own so I can't even read what they write.

I wouldn't so much as read their name-tags if I could avoid it. These nut-jobs and their transparent agendas have been laughed out of the courts.

Why not post some tripe from Holocaust deniers, then we can "debate" that, too.

Well, if you did bother to read the OP for a change, you'd realize that the article barely mentions anything to do with global warming itself, and instead focuses on the various aspects of the C&T bill that may do all of us more harm than good.

Just because a piece of legislation is written to address a "good" issue doesn't mean that said legislation is itself any good.

Why are you so afraid of opposing viewpoints or criticism of those in our Government?
 

PJABBER

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Originally posted by: shira
Originally posted by: bfdd
Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
What I love about this place most is how the people writing the articles are checked up on instead of the content of their writing. Amazing!

Yeah, it's fantastic. Fuck what they write, they might have some association with someone or some place that has some or all differing views than my own so I can't even read what they write.

I wouldn't so much as read their name-tags if I could avoid it. These nut-jobs and their transparent agendas have been laughed out of the courts.

Why not post some tripe from Holocaust deniers, then we can "debate" that, too.

Why be such a partisan hack, shirly?

The first article is an attack against the deleterious economic effects of Waxman-Markey and an identification of some of the pork built into the legislation by the Democrat crafters. Are you able to rebut the contentions or are you just going to go cry under your bed???

The second article references very few, OBVIOUSLY not all, of the growing voices of dissent to the incomplete, inaccurate and misleading body of data that the previous "concensus" of scientists may or may not have had. Check out the actual bodies of work of these researchers and get back to me in a couple of weeks.

MUCH more scientific opinion is available, but you have your own head buried so deep that you are looking at China. As you should, if you actually think industrial development is causing anthropogenic climate warming/cooling/whatever the latest political temperature spin is today.
 

Ausm

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Originally posted by: PJABBER
Originally posted by: Ausm
1) BJ jabber hates Obama

2)BJ Jabber blames a democratic congress for the world's problems

3) BJ Jabber realizes only democrats load any bill with Pork because Republican's could NEVER do this :roll:

1) Check out my sig. I am a friendly Snowman with a slight smile and a pointy carrot nose. I hate no one but totalitarians. Is Obama a totalitarian? When I am not skiing I am wondering why we elected a singularly inept and unaccomplished President that adheres to virtually every heretofore rejected leftish cult fantasy of the past 90 years.

2) I blame the One Party Democrat Congress for also living out every heretofore rejected leftish cult fantasy of the past 90 years, but is now actually building incomprehensible 1000+ page legislative monstrosities to make sure we ALL get to experience these failed fantasies at their worst. While, all the while, failing to address any real problems.

3) I blame all political Parties for rolling in the pork, but I assign special accountability for the One Party (Democrat) government that is in power and currently responsible for virtually all of the pork that has been charged to the American taxpayer over the past two years and nine months.

:roll:

1) You think Mcsame and Palin could have done better? yeah riiight.

2) 1000 pages of which legislation are you rambling about?

3)2 years and 9 months in the majority?

http://www.senate.gov/pagelayo...d_teasers/partydiv.htm
 

PJABBER

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Originally posted by: Ausm
Originally posted by: PJABBER
Originally posted by: Ausm
1) BJ jabber hates Obama

2)BJ Jabber blames a democratic congress for the world's problems

3) BJ Jabber realizes only democrats load any bill with Pork because Republican's could NEVER do this :roll:

1) Check out my sig. I am a friendly Snowman with a slight smile and a pointy carrot nose. I hate no one but totalitarians. Is Obama a totalitarian? When I am not skiing I am wondering why we elected a singularly inept and unaccomplished President that adheres to virtually every heretofore rejected leftish cult fantasy of the past 90 years.

2) I blame the One Party Democrat Congress for also living out every heretofore rejected leftish cult fantasy of the past 90 years, but is now actually building incomprehensible 1000+ page legislative monstrosities to make sure we ALL get to experience these failed fantasies at their worst. While, all the while, failing to address any real problems.

3) I blame all political Parties for rolling in the pork, but I assign special accountability for the One Party (Democrat) government that is in power and currently responsible for virtually all of the pork that has been charged to the American taxpayer over the past two years and nine months.

:roll:

1) You think Mcsame and Palin could have done better? yeah riiight.

2) 1000 pages of which legislation are you rambling about?

3)2 years and 9 months in the majority?

http://www.senate.gov/pagelayo...d_teasers/partydiv.htm

Yet ANOTHER ad hominem and deflective attack from one of the poster children here that seem to never contribute anything on topic, of substance or of value, but feel free to express their own blindered opinions about everything except the topic on hand. Sheesh, where is the intellectual core of the Left these days? Can't we get ANYONE from the Left to comment intelligently about anything????
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Ausm
1) BJ jabber hates Obama

2)BJ Jabber blames a democratic congress for the world's problems

3) BJ Jabber realizes only democrats load any bill with Pork because Republican's could NEVER do this :roll:

That's OK, the more to piss Jabber and his buds the better :thumbsup: :D
 

Ausm

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Ausm
1) BJ jabber hates Obama

2)BJ Jabber blames a democratic congress for the world's problems

3) BJ Jabber realizes only democrats load any bill with Pork because Republican's could NEVER do this :roll:

That's OK, the more to piss Jabber and his buds the better :thumbsup: :D

Need more lefties in here to help me out ;)
 

IndyColtsFan

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Originally posted by: Ausm
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Ausm
1) BJ jabber hates Obama

2)BJ Jabber blames a democratic congress for the world's problems

3) BJ Jabber realizes only democrats load any bill with Pork because Republican's could NEVER do this :roll:

That's OK, the more to piss Jabber and his buds the better :thumbsup: :D

Need more lefties in here to help me out ;)

Yes, because after all, every issue must be dealt with along partisan lines instead of using independent and critical thinking skills.
 

Ausm

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Originally posted by: PJABBER
Originally posted by: Ausm
Originally posted by: PJABBER
Originally posted by: Ausm
1) BJ jabber hates Obama

2)BJ Jabber blames a democratic congress for the world's problems

3) BJ Jabber realizes only democrats load any bill with Pork because Republican's could NEVER do this :roll:

1) Check out my sig. I am a friendly Snowman with a slight smile and a pointy carrot nose. I hate no one but totalitarians. Is Obama a totalitarian? When I am not skiing I am wondering why we elected a singularly inept and unaccomplished President that adheres to virtually every heretofore rejected leftish cult fantasy of the past 90 years.

2) I blame the One Party Democrat Congress for also living out every heretofore rejected leftish cult fantasy of the past 90 years, but is now actually building incomprehensible 1000+ page legislative monstrosities to make sure we ALL get to experience these failed fantasies at their worst. While, all the while, failing to address any real problems.

3) I blame all political Parties for rolling in the pork, but I assign special accountability for the One Party (Democrat) government that is in power and currently responsible for virtually all of the pork that has been charged to the American taxpayer over the past two years and nine months.

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1) You think Mcsame and Palin could have done better? yeah riiight.

2) 1000 pages of which legislation are you rambling about?

3)2 years and 9 months in the majority?

http://www.senate.gov/pagelayo...d_teasers/partydiv.htm

Yet ANOTHER ad hominem and deflective attack from one of the poster children here that seem to never contribute anything on topic, of substance or of value, but feel free to express their own blindered opinions about everything except the topic on hand. Sheesh, where is the intellectual core of the Left these days? Can't we get ANYONE from the Left to comment intelligently about anything????

hmm so you want me to combat your rambling with a wall of incoherent text that nobody would take the time to read anyway?