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Moonbeam

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At the time it was a reasonable prediction.

No it wasn't. I distinctly remember feeling it to have been so preposterous when I first read the OP that I didn't even want to post in it's thread. What I knew from the moment I saw Trump announce is that his entry would change everything. Behold the wonder of the Mighty Trump who has opened our way by the manifestation of a Burning Bush.
 

flexy

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Are Sanders supporters realistic and involved enough to realize what will happen if they do not support Hillary?

Yes what you're saying is simply "vote Democrat" since this is still better than the real evil.

However, the problem is, many including me don't see much "democrat" when we look at Clinton. She could WELL be over at the Rep side, would much better represent actual "Republicans".

SHE represents "normal" Republicans much more than anything, the current so called "Republicans" are way, way too much to the right.

Go look at Clinton's policies. She made it clear she's against $15 MW, free tuition, she's establishment, gets stuffed by Wallstreet and basically everything I'd associate with an actual Republican.

So, just voting for her "because she is [allegedly] Democrat?" doesn't make sense seeing she really ain't one...that's how I see it.

So...even a Trump presidency is not THAT much worse in comparison....with Trump having the "advantage" he is anti-establishment. Like Bernie, just 180 degree opposite of course.
 
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Aegeon

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Go look at Clinton's policies. She made it clear she's against $15 MW,
This is the sort of deceptive claim as made I certainly have a problem with people making. Hillary certainly has made it clear she does support a 15$ minimum wage in many states, the issue is it as a true national standard when there are lower cost of living states like Alabama where the Median hourly wage for the entire state is actually less than that.

Hillary does in fact specifically support a 12$ per hour national wage which would apply everywhere in the US (with her supporting individual states boosting it higher to 15$) and certainly would not remotely fall into the sort of policy I would associate with Republicans.

It should be noted that a 15$ minimum wage nationally is an absolute non-starter in terms of passing nationally when you get down to it. Among other things you would expect even some more conservative Democratic Senators to oppose it, and even if Democrats somehow manage to get control of the House you would realistically have some elected Democratic House members in more conservative districts refuse to support an increase as high as 15$ per hour.

Now some might argue that for negotiation strategy purposes there are advantages of starting with a higher figure like 15$, (which at least is a debatable position) but there certainly seems to be an issue with some Sanders supporters having unrealistic expectations of what he actually could accomplish in office in areas like this.
 

disappoint

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I want to apologize to all Anandtech forum members and shareholders for my terrible inaccurate prediction.

I predict Clinton will be the elected president for 2016.

ALL HAIL Hillary Clinton!!!

Am I the only one that noticed that instead of stopping the behavior you apologized for you just went ahead and did it again?
 

dank69

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At the time it was a reasonable prediction.
Haha, no it wasn't. Jeb! was tanking in the polls even back then. His failure can't all be blamed on Trump, either. He was way behind a lot of other candidates. Dubya destroyed any chance that Jeb! will ever see the WH. Trump did put the final nail in his coffin in the last debate though.

Speculative. You don't know. I don't know, but a chance at something is better than guaranteed status quo. Hillary has declared Republicans as her enemy, early in her her debates. Just how well would you expect her to work with congress? I tell you how....she'll be no better than Obama. What can we expect to get accomplished under those conditions? I have much more confidence in Trump being able to bring everyone to the table and actually take care of business. That's what he does.
You sound like a fucking liberal with that "chance at something is better than status quo" shit.
 
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Haha, no it wasn't. Jeb! was tanking in the polls even back then.

Jeb was doing pretty good in an early crowded field. He started tanking in June

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werepossum

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Haha, no it wasn't. Jeb! was tanking in the polls even back then. His failure can't all be blamed on Trump, either. He was way behind a lot of other candidates. Dubya destroyed any chance that Jeb! will ever see the WH. Trump did put the final nail in his coffin in the last debate though.

You sound like a fucking liberal with that "chance at something is better than status quo" shit.
At the time it was a reasonable prediction because we're constantly bombarded with the notion that elections go to whomever has the most money, and exclusive of Mrs. Clinton, that was Mr. Bush.

Minor correction, but let's be honest here.
Boy, we sure wouldn't want politicians to find out they can take people's money. Good thing that never happened before Trump.

BOB DOLE JUMPS BACK IN!

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lol +1
 

trenchfoot

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I can't wait for Dick Cheney to deliver his kiss of death by publicly endorsing one of the Repubs in the running.
 

Moonbeam

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At the time it was a reasonable prediction because we're constantly bombarded with the notion that elections go to whomever has the most money, and exclusive of Mrs. Clinton, that was Mr. Bush.

Ah, so reasonable is what the latest conditioning tells us is happening. "I would have thought for myself but I was helpless. I was bombarded."
 

zinfamous

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I have a hard time imagining Trump beating anyone in the general. I mean, he is more disliked than any candidate has ever been disliked--the fact that he has remained stable at ~30% of republican primary voters doesn't mean anything to his supporters?

Weird bubble, that.
 

Jaepheth

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Does your avatar indicate you trade options?

If so, then my wallet thanks you for your terrible predictions.
 

ivwshane

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I have a hard time imagining Trump beating anyone in the general. I mean, he is more disliked than any candidate has ever been disliked--the fact that he has remained stable at ~30% of republican primary voters doesn't mean anything to his supporters?

Weird bubble, that.

It's that same 30% that supported bush Jr throughout his second term no matter how much the rest of the country didn't, it's that same 30% that hates Obama no matter what he has done as well.
I suspect many of these posters here are apart of that 30% as well.
 

hal2kilo

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Oh they will dream up to election day its true. Will be funny if they block a justice until they lose the senate and the presidency and then a more liberal judge goes in then would have had they let obama's judge in. LOLOLOLOL

Living in a realty free zone as most Repubs do, they are dead sure that everyone hates Obama and his administration, so that taint will make a sure Repub presidential victory. I hope to hell this move blows up on them. This move being that Sen. McChinless has declared today that there will be no vote.
 

Moonbeam

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It's that same 30% that supported bush Jr throughout his second term no matter how much the rest of the country didn't, it's that same 30% that hates Obama no matter what he has done as well.
I suspect many of these posters here are apart of that 30% as well.

Raised in fear wielding authoritarian families, force fed the meaning of respect. Programmed, regimented brains trapped in little boxes.....
 

werepossum

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Ah, so reasonable is what the latest conditioning tells us is happening. "I would have thought for myself but I was helpless. I was bombarded."
Well, as long as what we're being told correlates reasonably well with reality as we observe it, then we tend to provisionally accept the conventional wisdom, which in this case is that money is ruining out electoral system and we need to go back to getting all our electoral information from the mainstream media. Obviously if we're being told something totally outlandish, like Alabama is made of string cheese or Hillary Clinton is honest, then we won't believe it.
 

dank69

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I quite honestly can not believe these are the choices we're being left with.

Like any of the people that have dropped out so far were better choices, haha. Honestly, the closest the GOP has come to sanity is Kasich, and he is attempting to defund PP. The whole party is fucking retarded.
 

Moonbeam

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Well, as long as what we're being told correlates reasonably well with reality as we observe it, then we tend to provisionally accept the conventional wisdom, which in this case is that money is ruining out electoral system and we need to go back to getting all our electoral information from the mainstream media. Obviously if we're being told something totally outlandish, like Alabama is made of string cheese or Hillary Clinton is honest, then we won't believe it.

This is just more of the same, conventional go along get along thinking, I guess it's what makes cattle trail ruts in the side of hills. I try as best I can not to fall into that trap. As I said, I knew from the moment Trump announced we were in for Mr. Toad's Wild Ride. Trump flicked Bush off the table when he said he had low energy. Jesus, Trump in incredible. Even my Scoundrel warned me not to chose my Templar because he'll put you to sleep with his blather.
 

zinfamous

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This move being that Sen. McChinless has declared today that there will be no vote.

When people call him the turtle, instead of the animal I think about one of those poops that just creep out of your butt and refuses to dislodge.

I think it is still an apt description.
 

dank69

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When people call him the turtle, instead of the animal I think about one of those poops that just creep out of your butt and refuses to dislodge.

I think it is still an apt description.

I thought it was a shit that just isn't waiting for you to get to the bowl anymore. Thus, the turtle head is poking out.