[AP] Paul Manafort emails prove illegally working in US to lobby for Ukraine [now fbi investigation]

[fskimospy]

What sucks is your pitifull attitude of negating the reality, Victoria Nuland phone call to the US ambassador occured while there was staged protest in Kiev, as for the french minister he s explicitely saying that he heard it from active UK politcians that he knew personaly and 18 months before staged protests started in Syria.

So you are just of bad faith since you blatantly ignored thoses facts, i guess that you want to live in the illusion that the US is a normal country that do no evil, truth is that it started as a genocide against a native population and since those days you are perpetually in search of a fabricated enemy as a mean to keep individualities together, first the native americans, then black people and when those latter were no more enough it was Russia and currently it is the muslims.

Now the remarkable characteristic in all the entities i named is that the US gov is the only one whose mentality is to kill to loot the money and assets of other people, it started her existence for this purpose and had gone this way through more than two centuries.

Where Putin for instance is legitimate is because he s struggling to keep Russia from being divided in several countries by the forever conspiring US gov who want to be the sole ruler of the world.

Thank you for making a more convincing case for your nuttiness than I ever could.

 

[agent00f]

Loyality work only if there s a common enemy, otherwise as we say here there will be always someone who will try to be the Calife at the place of the current Calife, look at how much kings were killed by relatives, when they didnt kill their own brothers for fear of losing their crown abruptly...

That being said you were insightfull in this respect, i mean, loyalty is in some way willfull enslavement, not that it cant be positive, i feel happy to be the servant of my family and being usefull in enabling a world were solidarity has a meaning, but where it becomes ugly is when loyalty is not symmetricaly shared, and that s often the case for the nations we are part of, i mean why should i risk my life defending, or rather increasing, the wealth of an agressive capitalist class that seek wars overseas..?.

Of course loyalty doesn't always work, but then again neither do the police. The crown is somewhat of an exception(ally) desirably title, it works well enough for most positions in life. Mostly kids aren't killing their parents or whatever to get their share that much sooner even before the law was a thing.

In perspective, servitude is more the nature of things than many like to admit. Until very recently human weren't obsessed with equality, until political communism took root in form of democracy.

Thank you for making a more convincing case for your nuttiness than I ever could.

I don't see how it's nutty. Maybe adequate evidence for any grand jury, but so it goes for CIA level intrigue. The US has quite the history with intervention whenever it's in its self-interest. For example, in the case of turkey intervention made little sense since Erdogan was an obedient enough NATO ally and a weak coup is potentially costly for limited upside. OTOH containing russia and fucking with putin in general is pretty much official US policy. You do this enough throughout a lifetime and people might think that's just what you do.

 

[Abwx]

Thank you for making a more convincing case for your nuttiness than I ever could.

The same nuttiness that got Galileo condemned by obscurantists for stating the obvious, in some way you are either lacking knowledge or you are a supremacist that is bounced from his childish, albeit dangerous, "vision" of the world, or more surely both, hence the denial as pitifull defense of what is no more than a ridiculous form of narcisism...

 

[fskimospy]

The same nuttiness that got Galileo condemned by obscurantists for stating the obvious, in some way you are either lacking knowledge or you are a supremacist that is bounced from his childish, albeit dangerous, "vision" of the world, or more surely both, hence the denial as pitifull defense of what is no more than a ridiculous form of narcisism...

Yes, the guy who thinks an email four years after the Syrian Revolution started is evidence of the US planting fake protests to spark it in an effort to conquer the world is just like Galileo. The 9/11 truthers use the same lines.

The US could be behind all of those things or none of them, the only thing that matters is that you've provided basically no evidence for your position. It seems like you rely on no one actually looking at what you say is your 'evidence'.

Oh and your admiration of Putin is deeply ironic, all things considered.

 

[Abwx]

Yes, the guy who thinks an email four years after the Syrian Revolution started is evidence of the US planting fake protests to spark it in an effort to conquer the world is just like Galileo.


Oh and your admiration of Putin is deeply ironic, all things considered.

Lol, the US is currently acting in all illegality in Syria, they have no right to use this countries fly zone, there s no UNO resolution that allow them to do so, Assad on the other hand is the legal president recognized by the UNO and that s why contrary to the US the Russians are in Syria in all international legality while your country is acting as a rogue state in day light, but of course this is beyond the understanding of some fat six pack joe that has no clue about international agreements and laws, so much about the irony...

As for "revolution", well, why didnt you support the Cuban revolution and even went in a decade long embargo that was illegal in many way, lol, talk of being stupid...

 

[fskimospy]

Lol, the US is currently acting in all illegality in Syria, they have no right to use this countries fly zone, there s no UNO resolution that allow them to do so, Assad on the other hand is the legal president recognized by the UNO and that s why contrary to the US the Russians are in Syria in all international legality while your country is acting as a rogue state in day light, but of course this is beyond the understanding of some fat six pack joe that has no clue about international agreements and laws, so much about the irony...

Haha yes, the country that recently invaded their neighbor and annexed their territory in gross violation of international law is in no position to call anyone a rogue state. Funny how Russia's neighbors all can't seem to get away from them fast enough.

As for "revolution", well, why didnt you support the Cuban revolution and even went in a decade long embargo that was illegal in many way, lol, talk of being stupid...

Now you're ranting about sixty year old events? I don't think you want to go there considering Russia's horrifying human rights record. Think Ukranian genocide.

 

[Abwx]

Haha yes, the country that recently invaded their neighbor and annexed their territory in gross violation of international law is in no position to call anyone a rogue state. Funny how Russia's neighbors all can't seem to get away from them fast enough.

But it s the US that created the necessary juridical precedent, the moment they acted to overthrow a legaly elected president they opened the door to Crimea annexion, or should we reverse the time line so you would be right..?.

Or were you expecting Russia to keep respecting the very laws that you were the first to violate..?.

I think you are either a fool or thinking that other should be fooled..

Now you're ranting about sixty year old events? I don't think you want to go there considering Russia's horrifying human rights record. Think Ukranian genocide.

Certainly that there were crime committed by the state but let s look at the reality, ukrainians are still here and in big numbers in their ancestral land, can we compare this genocide to the one perpetrated in the US were about all native population was anihilated and their children living to this day in concentration camps that are called indian reserves..?.

Sure that there was no statistic made but for sure that the numbers over the colonisation period were much higher than in the USSR..

Or should i add Albreight who had the guts to answer to Leslie Stahl that 500 000 dead iraqi children because of sanctions was a price that was after all worth it..?.

So you litterally wiped out a generation of iraqi and ended killing hundreds thousands during the Bush era but of course that doesnt count, no more than the millions vietnamese, and also north coreans, killed after WW2 was over...

Of course we cant hold the US responsible for overthrowing legaly elected governments (after WW2..) through bloody state coups, isnt it, the US is always right even when they violate the most basic human rights, it s called supremacism and that s exactly what you are promoting...

 

[fskimospy]

But it s the US that created the necessary juridical precedent, the moment they acted to overthrow a legaly elected president they opened the door to Crimea annexion, or should we reverse the time line so you would be right..?.

Or were you expecting Russia to keep respecting the very laws that you were the first to violate..?.

I think you are either a fool or thinking that other should be fooled..

This is just babbling. You complain about other countries violating international law using basically nonexistent evidence and then try to excuse egregious and confirmed violations of international law by Russia.

You are a hypocrite.

Certainly that there were crime committed by the state but let s look at the reality, ukrainians are still here and in big numbers in their ancestral land, can we compare this genocide to the one perpetrated in the US were about all native population was anihilated and their children living to this day in concentration camps that are called indian reserves..?.

Sure that there was no statistic made but for sure that the numbers over the colonisation period were much higher than in the USSR..

Or should i add Albreight who had the guts to answer to Leslie Stahl that 500 000 dead iraqi children because of sanctions was a price that was after all worth it..?.

So you litterally wiped out a generation of iraqi and ended killing hundreds thousands during the Bush era but of course that doesnt count, no more than the millions vietnamese, and also north coreans, killed after WW2 was over...

Of course we cant hold the US responsible for overthrowing legaly elected governments (after WW2..) through bloody state coups, isnt it, the US is always right even when they violate the most basic human rights, it s called supremacism and that s exactly what you are promoting...

More hand waving. The only two countries in the 20th century that gave Russia a run for its money in terms of butchery were Nazi Germany and Maoist China. This is why I suggested you not being up events from a long time ago, as Russia's record is monstrous and you have no room to talk.

 

[Abwx]

This is just babbling. You complain about other countries violating international law using basically nonexistent evidence and then try to excuse egregious and confirmed violations of international law by Russia.

You are a hypocrite.

The hypocrite is the one that take a stance according not to signed agrements but in function of its nationality nevermind the legality of the actions, the US state acted as a rogue state and was put(in) check by another state, namely Russia..

What you are not accustomed to is to face a powerfull state, generaly you are violating blatantly international laws when you unlawfully attack a weak state, preferably from the third world, hence since you are not punished simple minds like you end thinking that it was lawfull after all, otherwise why isnt the whole world standing against us is surely your final evidence for the US "innocence".

Years before the Ukraine coup your state supplied weapons, in violation of international laws, to the terrorists in Syria that you re calling revolutionaries, of course the weapons are delivered from Tureky and Jordan and officialy paid by the Saudis but these are US made weapons and are delivered with the US approval because the saudis are an US protectorate since the Quincy agreements, and delivering weapons to a movement that battle a legal government is unlawfull.

More hand waving. The only two countries in the 20th century that gave Russia a run for its money in terms of butchery were Nazi Germany and Maoist China. This is why I suggested you not being up events from a long time ago, as Russia's record is monstrous and you have no room to talk.

Yes, lets restrict the thing to the 20th century, this allow to somewhat reduce the US track record, wich is by millions of course, 4 millions just in Corea..

http://www.the-philosopher.co.uk/whocares/popups/warcrimes.htm

 

[brycejones]

We have a new Putin puppet.

 

[fskimospy]

The hypocrite is the one that take a stance according not to signed agrements but in function of its nationality nevermind the legality of the actions, the US state acted as a rogue state and was put(in) check by another state, namely Russia..

What you are not accustomed to is to face a powerfull state, generaly you are violating blatantly international laws when you unlawfully attack a weak state, preferably from the third world, hence since you are not punished simple minds like you end thinking that it was lawfull after all, otherwise why isnt the whole world standing against us is surely your final evidence for the US "innocence".

Years before the Ukraine coup your state supplied weapons, in violation of international laws, to the terrorists in Syria that you re calling revolutionaries, of course the weapons are delivered from Tureky and Jordan and officialy paid by the Saudis but these are US made weapons and are delivered with the US approval because the saudis are an US protectorate since the Quincy agreements, and delivering weapons to a movement that battle a legal government is unlawfull.

Nope, the hypocrite is the person attacking others for violating international law while at the same time claiming the actions of their preferred state are somehow not. Either you're being paid to spread Russian propaganda or you're incredibly easily duped.

Yes, lets restrict the thing to the 20th century, this allow to somewhat reduce the US track record, wich is by millions of course, 4 millions just in Corea..

http://www.the-philosopher.co.uk/whocares/popups/warcrimes.htm

I was simply pointing out that anyone defending Russia should be very careful when looking into the past as there have been few more monstrous regimes in the history of the world than the Soviet Union. The horrors that the Russians unleashed on both their fellow citizens and the citizens of neighboring countries are some of the greatest crimes in the history of the world and they happened just a few decades before many of the things you are complaining about.

This is another case of you either being a giant hypocrite or a paid propagandist. Nobody is fooled by this stupidity so I'm not sure why you're even bothering with it.

 

[chucky2]

Facts don't matter, huh? All that matters is shitty self righteous attitude, obviously.

Facts....HAHAHAHAHAH!!!...keep licking sheeple, that diaper will get messed if you don't sheeple hard enough...

Taxation is necessary because charity doesn't work. For example, probably nobody is going to voluntary donate all their money to old people, the military, and the flyover states where most of it is spent.

WWYBYWB?

Cool story, amirite, and sheeple in one post ?

You really need to update your posting language to begin with.

Probably like leveling entire cities with B-52's, amirite? LOL

 

[VRAMdemon]

Hey..we may not even need to worry about Russia in a Trump presidency...

Michelle Bachmann is now advising Trump on foreign policy..

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/michele-bachmann-donald-trump_us_57b9f46be4b0b51733a41614

She's going to head his rapture transition team...

 

[agent00f]

Facts....HAHAHAHAHAH!!!...keep licking sheeple, that diaper will get messed if you don't sheeple hard enough...

WWYBYWB?

Probably like leveling entire cities with B-52's, amirite? LOL

Subsidizing internet access at the trailer park for these types is a waste of public resources.

 

[chucky2]

Subsidizing internet access at the trailer park for these types is a waste of public resources.

Trailer park?! Nah man I'm in the ghetto, get it straight! O'Bummer, wrong again lol...

 

[agent00f]

Yes the trailer park, which is reported difficult to remove from folks mentally imprisoned within.

 

[chucky2]

Yes the trailer park, which is reported difficult to remove from folks mentally imprisoned within.

It's really too bad you aren't right, my truck could use some work and I'd probably find someone able to do it there. All we get around here is Bummers sons throwing trash on the ground skillz...

 

[agent00f]

Just a tip for the future, should you choose to engage in a battle of the wits with anyone again, try really hard to make sure they're not very smart either. This will be rather difficult in your case due to some innate disadvantages, but the consequences otherwise is that you probably won't understand their retorts and end up looking rather the fool who decided to open their mouth.

 

[chucky2]

Just a tip for the future, should you choose to engage in a battle of the wits with anyone again, try really hard to make sure they're not very smart either. This will be rather difficult in your case due to some innate disadvantages, but the consequences otherwise is that you probably won't understand their retorts and end up looking rather the fool who decided to open their mouth.

WWYBYWB though?

 

[agent00f]

Also, if someone labels you a simpleton who just repeats the few things in their head all day, reinforcing that stereotype is only to their advantage.

 

[chucky2]

Also, if someone labels you a simpleton who just repeats the few things in their head all day, reinforcing that stereotype is only to their advantage.

Think of the children!