AP: Clinton Adviser Probed in Terror Memos

[Arsynic]

Originally posted by: Todd33
Clearly it wasn't on purpose or criminal intent, it was a reading room with copies. What would you gain taking copies, souvenirs? Sloppy, but not criminal.

Thanks for quoting me.. in the wrong thread.

I guess this falls into the "blame Clinton" catagory of republican misdirection?

He shoved them in his pants and socks. What the f*** does that tell you?

 

[Arsynic]

Originally posted by: conjur
UPDATE:

Apparently, this probe has been going on for a long time...months. Clinton says he's known about and questions the timing of the leak:

Just like we should all question the timing of the Great Liberal Pre-Election Witch Hunt which the democrats euphamistically call the "9/11 Commission". Yes, this is very useful THREE YEARS after 9/11. Oh that's right, it's an ELECTION YEAR.

 

[Arsynic]

Ashcroft getting his panties in a wad?

And Berger had a few wads in his panties. Coincidence?

 

[irwincur]

It is pretty damn obvious what was going on. After meeting with the Don (Clinton) he visited the archives three times removing documents in an assortment of ways and locations. Does it take an idiot to see that the documents either 1) point out obvious deficiencies in Clinton's anti terror plan, 2) point out criminal behavior (not a surprise when Bill is involved), or 3) would lead to Democrat wonderkid Clark spending time in prison for perjury to the 911 Commission... Odds are it was #1, because well Clinton needs his stupid legacy and will obviously do anything to make himself look like he was actually paying attention during his eight years in the Sun. However, #2 is just as likely because well, it is Clinton and everything he touches seems to stink.

By the way, I am sick of the Democrats acting like they stopped the Millenium bomber and they planned to stop him. They did not stop him, a lone border agent did, on a whim. It was all pure luck that this guy was busted with a bit of dynamite - not nearly enough to in Clark's words - 'blow up LAX'. Odds are the documents revealed the major flaws made by Clark and Berger made in their pre Millenium planning as well as their lack of action against the future highjackers.

 

[SViscusi]

Originally posted by: Arsynic

Originally posted by: conjur
UPDATE:

Apparently, this probe has been going on for a long time...months. Clinton says he's known about and questions the timing of the leak:

Just like we should all question the timing of the Great Liberal Pre-Election Witch Hunt which the democrats euphamistically call the "9/11 Commission". Yes, this is very useful THREE YEARS after 9/11. Oh that's right, it's an ELECTION YEAR.

Actually the purpose of the 9/11 commission is to see what we did, where we went wrong, and how do we fix it. They covered absolutely everything from Presidential memo's to the way the FAA reacts to a hijacking to the way our intelligence agencies gather and act upon intel. Just because it didn't kiss Bush's ass, doesn't make it a witch hunt.

 

[Arsynic]

Originally posted by: irwincur
It is pretty damn obvious what was going on. After meeting with the Don (Clinton) he visited the archives three times removing documents in an assortment of ways and locations. Does it take an idiot to see that the documents either 1) point out obvious deficiencies in Clinton's anti terror plan, 2) point out criminal behavior (not a surprise when Bill is involved), or 3) would lead to Democrat wonderkid Clark spending time in prison for perjury to the 911 Commission... Odds are it was #1, because well Clinton needs his stupid legacy and will obviously do anything to make himself look like he was actually paying attention during his eight years in the Sun. However, #2 is just as likely because well, it is Clinton and everything he touches seems to stink.

By the way, I am sick of the Democrats acting like they stopped the Millenium bomber and they planned to stop him. They did not stop him, a lone border agent did, on a whim. It was all pure luck that this guy was busted with a bit of dynamite - not nearly enough to in Clark's words - 'blow up LAX'. Odds are the documents revealed the major flaws made by Clark and Berger made in their pre Millenium planning as well as their lack of action against the future highjackers.

Don't expect the liberal loonies to see the obvious though. Why else would a guy shove classified documents in his pants and socks and then destroy them the next day? I doubt it was a fettish of Mr. Bergers.

Really, I like to see how the Democrats spin this one. I've heard the "the timing is suspicious" argument, maybe it is. But it cuts both ways. The timing of the "9/11 Commission" was "suspicious'" All's fair in war and politics. It seems as if the left can't take what they dish out.

 

[Arsynic]

Originally posted by: SViscusi

Originally posted by: Arsynic

Originally posted by: conjur
UPDATE:

Apparently, this probe has been going on for a long time...months. Clinton says he's known about and questions the timing of the leak:

Just like we should all question the timing of the Great Liberal Pre-Election Witch Hunt which the democrats euphamistically call the "9/11 Commission". Yes, this is very useful THREE YEARS after 9/11. Oh that's right, it's an ELECTION YEAR.

Actually the purpose of the 9/11 commission is to see what we did, where we went wrong, and how do we fix it. They covered absolutely everything from Presidential memo's to the way the FAA reacts to a hijacking to the way our intelligence agencies gather and act upon intel. Just because it didn't kiss Bush's ass, doesn't make it a witch hunt.

Oh please. Another victim of leftist propaganda. Sure, that was the facade they painted on the whole debacle. It was nothing but a Democratic piss-fest on the Bush Administration. It wasn't meant to show what "WE" did wrong and how do "WE" fix it. It was about what the Bush Administration did wrong and there wasn't jack sh*t about how to fix anything. The purpose was to nail the Bush administration and the whole Bungling Burglar Burger incident is just the right fighting back.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Arsynic

Originally posted by: Todd33
Clearly it wasn't on purpose or criminal intent, it was a reading room with copies. What would you gain taking copies, souvenirs? Sloppy, but not criminal.

Thanks for quoting me.. in the wrong thread.

I guess this falls into the "blame Clinton" catagory of republican misdirection?

He shoved them in his pants and socks. What the f*** does that tell you?

That f***ing tells me that I need proof that he shoved them in his pants and socks. Does he admit to that? Where do those charges come from. If they are true there isn't and defense that I can see.

 

[SViscusi]

Originally posted by: Arsynic

Originally posted by: SViscusi

Originally posted by: Arsynic

Originally posted by: conjur
UPDATE:

Apparently, this probe has been going on for a long time...months. Clinton says he's known about and questions the timing of the leak:

Just like we should all question the timing of the Great Liberal Pre-Election Witch Hunt which the democrats euphamistically call the "9/11 Commission". Yes, this is very useful THREE YEARS after 9/11. Oh that's right, it's an ELECTION YEAR.

Actually the purpose of the 9/11 commission is to see what we did, where we went wrong, and how do we fix it. They covered absolutely everything from Presidential memo's to the way the FAA reacts to a hijacking to the way our intelligence agencies gather and act upon intel. Just because it didn't kiss Bush's ass, doesn't make it a witch hunt.

Oh please. Another victim of leftist propaganda.

Yes, that's it. :roll:

Sure, that was the facade they painted on the whole debacle. It was nothing but a Democratic piss-fest on the Bush Administration.

I'm sorry, but was I imagining things when I saw it headed by a Republican Governor, with an equal amount of republicans and democrats?

It wasn't meant to show what "WE" did wrong and how do "WE" fix it.

Yeah it was. The biggest attack on U.S. soil has to be investigated.

It was about what the Bush Administration did wrong and there wasn't jack sh*t about how to fix anything.

Uh the final report isn't out until tomorrow. Why would you think that they're conclusions and recommendations would be released before then?

The purpose was to nail the Bush administration and the whole Bungling Burglar Burger incident is just the right fighting back.

Whatever you say sunshine.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Originally posted by: Arsynic

Originally posted by: SViscusi

Originally posted by: Arsynic

Originally posted by: conjur
UPDATE:

Apparently, this probe has been going on for a long time...months. Clinton says he's known about and questions the timing of the leak:

Just like we should all question the timing of the Great Liberal Pre-Election Witch Hunt which the democrats euphamistically call the "9/11 Commission". Yes, this is very useful THREE YEARS after 9/11. Oh that's right, it's an ELECTION YEAR.

Actually the purpose of the 9/11 commission is to see what we did, where we went wrong, and how do we fix it. They covered absolutely everything from Presidential memo's to the way the FAA reacts to a hijacking to the way our intelligence agencies gather and act upon intel. Just because it didn't kiss Bush's ass, doesn't make it a witch hunt.

Oh please. Another victim of leftist propaganda. Sure, that was the facade they painted on the whole debacle. It was nothing but a Democratic piss-fest on the Bush Administration. It wasn't meant to show what "WE" did wrong and how do "WE" fix it. It was about what the Bush Administration did wrong and there wasn't jack sh*t about how to fix anything. The purpose was to nail the Bush administration and the whole Bungling Burglar Burger incident is just the right fighting back.

Are you fscking stupid? What part of BIPARTISAN COMMISION do you not get? They've been working on this report for a year+ I believe. There was an enormous amount of data to sift through, and they wanted to make sure they got everything 100% correct, or at least close to it. I have no idea what this Berger idiot was doing, but it's wrong. There's no excuse for stealing documents and flushing them, that's what Bush does.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Arsynic

Originally posted by: conjur
UPDATE:

Apparently, this probe has been going on for a long time...months. Clinton says he's known about and questions the timing of the leak:

Just like we should all question the timing of the Great Liberal Pre-Election Witch Hunt which the democrats euphamistically call the "9/11 Commission". Yes, this is very useful THREE YEARS after 9/11. Oh that's right, it's an ELECTION YEAR.

If Bush hadn't fought against the commission, they would have been finished months ago.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Arsynic

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: conjur

When asked, Berger said he returned some of the classified documents, which he found in his office, and all of the handwritten notes he had taken from the secure room, but said he could not locate two or three copies of the highly classified millennium terror report.

So, the only things missing are copies of a highly classified report?

No he stole them from the archives--shoved them in his pants and socks and destroyed them.

Doesn't sound like an "honest mistake" to me. However, I expect the looney left to go into damage control mode. The sad sh*t is that this fat ass is John Kerry's foreign policy advisor.

The sad sh*t is that this was leaked 7-8 months after the investigation started, two days before the release of the 9/11 Commission report and one week before the DNC.

Also, Berger is no longer associated with the Kerry campaign. Did you not see the news?

 

[burnedout]

Hmm. Here is something that isn't exactly in line with the "honest mistake" theory:

A government official with knowledge of the probe said Berger removed from archives files all five or six drafts of a critique of the government's response to the millennium terrorism threat, which he said was classified "codeword," the government's highest level of document security.

And on multiple occasions:

After one of his visits to the Archives last fall, one of the government officials said, Berger was alerted to the missing documents and later returned some of the materials. On subsequent visits by Berger, Archives staffers specially marked documents he reviewed to try to ensure their return. But the government official said some of those materials also went missing, prompting Archives staffers to alert federal authorities.

From my perspective, having handled, transported and processed sensitive documents relating to the Nuclear Weapons Release Program (NWRP) between 1984 to 1986; if the above is true, then Sandy Berger is undoubtedly one dumb sonofabitch.

 

[conjur]

And he's still not been charged with anything...7-8 months after the investigation started.

 

[wiin]

Where was it "reportedly" said the documents were damning?

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Monday, July 19, 2004 10:14 p.m. EDT
Ashcroft: Berger 9/11 Docs Reveal Clinton Security Lapse

A sensitive after-action report on the foiled Millennium bomb plot, portions of which allegedly were pilfered by former National Security Advisor Sandy Berger, sounded the alarm that al-Qaida operatives had entered the U.S. and were preparing to strike.

In testimony before the 9/11 Commission in April, Attorney General John Ashcroft detailed the highly classified March 2000 document, saying it contained a set of sweeping recommendations on how to combat the al-Qaida threat that were completely ignored by the Clinton White House.

"The NSC's Millennium After-Action Review declares that the United States barely missed major terrorist attacks in 1999 ? with luck playing a major role," Ashcroft told the Commission.
"Among the many vulnerabilities in homeland defenses identified, the Justice Department's surveillance and FISA operations were specifically criticized for their glaring weaknesses."

"It is clear from the review," declared Ashcroft, "that actions taken in the Millennium period should not be the operating model for the U.S. government."

The Millennium plot review warned the Clinton administration "of a substantial al-Qaida network and affiliated foreign terrorist presence within the U.S., capable of supporting additional terrorist attacks here," the Bush attorney general said.

"Furthermore, fully seventeen months before the September 11 attacks, the review recommends disrupting the al Qaida network and terrorist presence here using immigration violations, minor criminal infractions, and tougher visa and border controls," he explained.

Ashcroft's comments suggested why a former Clinton national security official might not want the information contained in the Millennium review to ever see the light of day.

"Despite the warnings and the clear vulnerabilities identified by the NSC in 2000," he told the Commission, "no new disruption strategy to attack the al-Qaida network within the United States was deployed. It was ignored in the Department's five-year counterterrorism strategy."
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[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: conjur
And he's still not been charged with anything...7-8 months after the investigation started.

Just because hes not charged doesnt mean he didnt do anything wrong.

To say its an honest mistake when this guy knows the laws etc etc is just a bunch of BS. It wasnt an honest mistake he did it on purpose. The reason he hasnt been charged is they dont know what the purpose was, other than his spiel.

 

[zantac]

Berger is a jackass. "Oh I stuffed them in my socks, an honest mistake" :roll:

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: wiin

Where was it "reportedly" said the documents were damning?

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Monday, July 19, 2004 10:14 p.m. EDT
Ashcroft: Berger 9/11 Docs Reveal Clinton Security Lapse

A sensitive after-action report on the foiled Millennium bomb plot, portions of which allegedly were pilfered by former National Security Advisor Sandy Berger, sounded the alarm that al-Qaida operatives had entered the U.S. and were preparing to strike.

In testimony before the 9/11 Commission in April, Attorney General John Ashcroft detailed the highly classified March 2000 document, saying it contained a set of sweeping recommendations on how to combat the al-Qaida threat that were completely ignored by the Clinton White House.

"The NSC's Millennium After-Action Review declares that the United States barely missed major terrorist attacks in 1999 ? with luck playing a major role," Ashcroft told the Commission.
"Among the many vulnerabilities in homeland defenses identified, the Justice Department's surveillance and FISA operations were specifically criticized for their glaring weaknesses."

"It is clear from the review," declared Ashcroft, "that actions taken in the Millennium period should not be the operating model for the U.S. government."

The Millennium plot review warned the Clinton administration "of a substantial al-Qaida network and affiliated foreign terrorist presence within the U.S., capable of supporting additional terrorist attacks here," the Bush attorney general said.

"Furthermore, fully seventeen months before the September 11 attacks, the review recommends disrupting the al Qaida network and terrorist presence here using immigration violations, minor criminal infractions, and tougher visa and border controls," he explained.

Ashcroft's comments suggested why a former Clinton national security official might not want the information contained in the Millennium review to ever see the light of day.

"Despite the warnings and the clear vulnerabilities identified by the NSC in 2000," he told the Commission, "no new disruption strategy to attack the al-Qaida network within the United States was deployed. It was ignored in the Department's five-year counterterrorism strategy."
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http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/7/19/221714.shtml

NEWSMAX??


And you're taking Ashcroft's word that it was damning? Ashcroft?? The guy who was nearly in contempt of Congress for withholding the torture memo?

BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!

 

[wiin]

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NEWSMAX??




BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!
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This is typical Conjure response if something is not from his liberal media like the NYT for example. Same thing if something being said is not by democrats. He is so blinded by his hatred for the Bush administration that he cannot see things straight. there could be a bomb right in front of him and he still could not see it.

 

[Chris A]

I hope they charge him soon.. He knew damn well what he was doing.

 

[Moonbeam]

Were is proof he stuffed um in his pants and socks? There's quite a dif between stuffed pants and missing copies.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: wiin
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NEWSMAX??




BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!
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This is typical Conjure response if something is not from his liberal media like the NYT for example. Same thing if something being said is not by democrats. He is so blinded by his hatred for the Bush administration that he cannot see things straight. there could be a bomb right in front of him and he still could not see it.

Newsmax is KNOWN for its inflammatory headlines and imagination-stretching prose.

It's no better than Weekly World News.

 

[Todd33]

I would say mainstream media, not liberal media (if there is such a thing).

The problem with the right wing is any media to the left of Fox is liberal. You guys need to calibrate your system, Fox is right, not center. Hell, isn't the NYT the paper who help Cheney pass Chalabi intel off as news? All coporate media is slanted a bit right, they have too much vested in the government and the FCC. Not to mention ratings and sales go way up with war.

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: Ogi
removing classified information from a classified space is not a crime, that is perfectly legal, as long as the possesor has a security clearence and a "need to know" clearence AND he/she has the classified material in his/her control the entire time it's not locked up, so quit saying how much of an outrage it is to have classified documents removed from a classified space, nothing was wrong with that, it's everything else that was handled poorly that should count.

don't ask me how i know this, just take my word 😉

Ogi

Wrong.

I hope you aren't handling classified information because you obviously don't know sh!t about it. I suggest you go to whoever gave you your security briefing and have them give it again. Pay attention this time.

 

[Chris A]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Were is proof he stuffed um in his pants and socks? There's quite a dif between stuffed pants and missing copies.

In the course of reviewing over several days thousands of pages of documents on behalf of the Clinton administration in connection with requests by the Sept. 11 commission, I inadvertently took a few documents from the Archives....When I was informed by the Archives that there were documents missing, I immediately returned everything I had except for a few documents that I apparently had accidentally discarded." Sandy Berger

They were not copies but original drafts... What the hell was he thinking... He knew the rules... He did it on purpose.. He was trying to cover it up. The fact that he knew that he was not to take them yet he did take them. Pretty much convinces me that he was trying to conceal them as they were being transported out of the Archives..