Anyone with real wo experience on Brisbane vs Windsor in terms of heat (AM2 question)

[magomago]

I have a 4400+ brisbane at the moment. I'm thinking of going to a 6000+ windsor (because I can't find any 6000+ brisbanes anywhere, used or not, at a decent price. Newegg suprisingly has a 6000+ windsor for ~60) as a last huzzah for my current motherboard.

Anyways, back in the day brisbanes were nice because they were cool. The 4400+ has a 65W TDP. The windsor has a TDP of 125W, and all reviews @ newegg seem to reference that its the 125W version, not an 89W version.

Anyways, this means I'm expecting it to be up to twice as hot. Is that an accurate assumption? Do any of you guys have experience on whether or not the windsor was noticeably cooler? My PC isn't in a huge room. Atleast right now, I have a big typhoon (lol overkill since I don't even overclock) on my 4400+. Even when gaming, it isn't hot at all. I can actually touch the copper piping and it still feels very cool...and my fan is on the lowest setting possible.

When I read about the windsor, some say its cool and not an issue, others talk about how visibly hotter it is. I'd rather trust advice here directly than notorious reviews at Newegg.

 

[Markfw]

I wouldn't put any money into an old platform like that, I would just get a new setup. I just got a 245 X2 and motherboard combo for $60.

 

[taltamir]

I tried what you described... didn't work out... too power hungry.

what is your mobo though? i just put an athlon II x4 635 (lower voltage then the 620 amd 630... which were cheaper but not supported by my mobo due to power) into an Asus M2N-E to replace an Athlon64 X2 @2ghz brisbane.
it is so beautiful

 

[magomago]

I wouldn't put any money into an old platform like that, I would just get a new setup. I just got a 245 X2 and motherboard combo for $60.

From a clean slate perspective, and even from someone willing to put in a few hundred for the system, you definitely have the best perspective. I agree it isn't the most ideal solution and I would preferably jump for a new system, especially since places like Frys have great 60-80 dollar combo packages (and Microcenter with its ~100 dollar X3 720 combo), but then I need to buy some more ram...and while I'm at that stage I may as well jump for other stuff.

..and so the logic goes as follows: if I get a newer-ish processor and motherboard, I'll need some new ram. And it would be a shame to pair it up with a weak videocard. And once that is done...I would say "Well I should replace these old 5 year old LCDs I have [which work fine, albiet they are still old]" and the list keeps going on....And although I could easily spend however much I wanted on some system, I don't necessarily want to do it. Rather, I will do that at my next build in the future when I start anew~ new processor/mobo, new SSDs, new LCDs, nice new psu, powerful graphics card, etc. etc.

But I'm trying to pull all this off on a small budget of 150...and I've secured some new ram (2x2), basically secured a videocard (8800gt), and am on my way to keep within my limit depending on what happens with the processor.

taltamir - do you mean too hot, or the PSU couldn't handle it? Can you be a little more descriptive? My mobo doesn't officially support anything above AM2 - it is an ECS K8M890M 1.0A (lol Frys package a few years back) that only lists AM2 as a supported processor. I haven't seen anything saying it can take an AM2+ cpu, or anything more than that...so I'm restricting myself to AM2

 

[MadJackalIto]

amd brisbane is more cool than windsdor...

options:

1. buy an good CPU cooler oced 4400+ to 6000+ for 40-50 usd and got the same performance, but this mobo doesnt great for oc.

2. but now is crazy spend in old tech (K8).

3. an am3 combo (memory, cpu and mobo for 150 USD) and sell your others components.

Greetings.

 

[batuchka]

I would also suggest an AM3 socket chip with an AM2+ mobo and reusing your DDR2? The gains going brisbane-->windsor core:

the biggest gains are in gaming but considering Windsor is inferior clock for clock to the new step up i.e the 1st K10 dual core Kuma

and how these are then spanked by Regor/AM3 it's just not worth living with K8 anymore considering some really nice combos with 770/785g mobos with Regor/Ranas floating around on Egg hehe

 

[DominionSeraph]

My 5200+ Windsor doesn't throw out much heat.

 

[magomago]

I would also suggest an AM3 socket chip with an AM2+ mobo and reusing your DDR2? The gains going brisbane-->windsor core:

the biggest gains are in gaming but considering Windsor is inferior clock for clock to the new step up i.e the 1st K10 dual core Kuma

and how these are then spanked by Regor/AM3 it's just not worth living with K8 anymore considering some really nice combos with 770/785g mobos with Regor/Ranas floating around on Egg hehe

Thanks very useful information. I ended up choosing to go to the 6000+ route; according to other benchmarks I viewed , it should be a decent upgrade from my 4400+ even if it is slightly slower clock for clock (and not by much according to your link, and those charts showed all the percentages as negative for some reason lol - and I thought the brisbanes had higher clocks but came with 1/2 the cache; who knows what exact effect each plays into it).
The chip was 50 dollars. I know for 30 dollars more I could have gone and taken another Frys or Microcenter deal and built a whole new PC around an X3 720 or something similar, but I was adamant about not spending much, and I'd hate pairing a new system with an older GPU....and a GPU is where the $$$ typically goes. I still got what I wanted for <150 (ram, gpu, cpu) so I'm a happy camper...

But in 2 years from now we'll see if I get sick from the temps the windsor puts out

 

[batuchka]

You are welcomed and enjoy your new hardware

 

[magomago]

Got it setup finally (with that ram and videocard I wanted). I let it sit for a few hours and came back, and it isn't bad at all - I actually can't tell the difference at the moment haha. Running CoreTemp and Prime95 (focusing on CPU stress as opposed to ram...doing it to spike cpu temps to the max) and I'm nary going above 43C. Of course I can't "Feel" any speed increase as I felt my 4400+ was adequate for that, but I gotta play some games (although I have this feeling that my videocard will make more of a difference )

So this puts me on the cutting edge of....late 2007 ahahah.


My personal conclusion? If you can go to 6000+ windsor and its your only real option, and you currently have a brisbane....go for it! A new system would be better, but if you will only do processor swaps, I honestly don't see the difference. Of course, I'm not overclocking...talking about purely stock setups.