anyone with concrete knowledge here?

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my grandparents have a concrete driveway and it's got cracks in it so they hired someone to fill them in. well a year later and the cracks are coming back and on each side of the crack it's discolored from whatever he used (the areas are light gray whereas the whole driveway is darker).

is there some way to re-surface it or add another layer of concrete or should we just dig it all up and pour a new one?
 

WaTaGuMp

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Cement cracks when its poured in large sections where it cant expand properly. Best thing is to have it poured into small sections and use expansion joints.
 

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I'm no expert, but my guess is you can fix it all you want but it will always be the weak spot so it will keep coming back. When making cement driveways it's good to do it in several parts maybe 4' b 4' to give it room to shift. Basically like a big interlocking stone driveway. Pavement can move more without cracking so it's usually why it's prefered.

Just don't do pavement in middle of winter... they did that when they buillt our wal-mart. The next summer it shifted and did these huge waves, they had to totally redo it.
 

JohnCU

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damn, it was all poured together, guess they didn't know that or didn't care when they built it
 

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The problem with cracks is that water will find a way in and expand and contract, especially in winter. As tough as concrete is the melting and freezing of water will cause it to split over time and no amount of filling those cracks will remedy the issue.
 

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Originally posted by: zinfamous
Your grandparents' driveway is made out of glue?

This is a concrete example of why we need the ability to punch people through the monitor.
 

WaTaGuMp

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Originally posted by: JohnCU
damn, it was all poured together, guess they didn't know that or didn't care when they built it

They can possibly try and have sections cut and then add some expansion joints, get some estimates.
 

JohnCU

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Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp
Originally posted by: JohnCU
damn, it was all poured together, guess they didn't know that or didn't care when they built it

They can possibly try and have sections cut and then add some expansion joints, get some estimates.

cool thanks :thumbsup:
 

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How can you make a driveway out of cement? Of course it cracks, cement has almost no strength without aggragrate. You could probably jump on cement and crack it.
 

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Originally posted by: Evadman
How can you make a driveway out of cement? Of course it cracks, cement has almost no strength without aggragrate. You could probably jump on cement and crack it.

Maybe if you are slightly overweight...
 

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Originally posted by: Evadman
How can you make a driveway out of cement? Of course it cracks, cement has almost no strength without aggragrate. You could probably jump on cement and crack it.

Sure, if you're 1000 pounds.
 

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There is no real fixing broken concrete, as others mentioned it expands and contracts to much. Now if you are saying there is 20 sq ft out of 400 sq ft, you can cut them out and pour new.

If its all busted up it time to replace it. Typically you need expansion or control joints no more than 10-12 ft. On a driveway they will just saw cut the joints within 24 hrs.
 

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I'd just leave the cracks. Concrete repair is a losing battle. You fix some cracks, more popup. Just consider them character marks ;^)
 

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Wow, lots of fail in this thread. Cement != Concrete. Cement is the glue that binds aggragrate (rocks, gravel, sand or other stone) together. Cement + aggragrate = Concrete. No one in their right mind would ever make anything out of cement; it would fail under its own weight. It would be like pouring Elmer's glue into a shape of a driveway and expecting it to hold up your car.

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I should probably say that cement isn't technically a glue either, it is an adhesive since cement is not made from animal fiber.
 

JohnCU

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wait, it's concrete and not cement?

i guess i got confused, i thought it was cement.
 

JohnCU

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Originally posted by: Evadman
Wow, lots of fail in this thread. Cement != Concrete. Cement is the glue that binds aggragrate (rocks, gravel, sand or other stone) together. Cement + aggragrate = Concrete. No one in their right mind would ever make anything out of cement; it would fail under its own weight. It would be like pouring Elmer's glue into a shape of a driveway and expecting it to hold up your car.

woops. i'm electrical, not mechanical/civil. i don't know these things :(
 

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Originally posted by: Evadman
Wow, lots of fail in this thread. Cement != Concrete. Cement is the glue that binds aggragrate (rocks, gravel, sand or other stone) together. Cement + aggragrate = Concrete. No one in their right mind would ever make anything out of cement; it would fail under its own weight. It would be like pouring Elmer's glue into a shape of a driveway and expecting it to hold up your car.

You forgot water man! Without water, cement and aggregate are nothing but rocks and dust.
 

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Originally posted by: JohnCU
wait, it's concrete and not cement?

We can't tell from here :). Are there rocks or other aggregate sticking out of the cracks? And not stuff that just fell in there from another source.

 

JohnCU

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Originally posted by: Evadman
Originally posted by: JohnCU
wait, it's concrete and not cement?

We can't tell from here :). Are there rocks or other aggregate sticking out of the cracks? And not stuff that just fell in there from another source.

it looks bumpy so i guess so.
 

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Originally posted by: ironwing
Originally posted by: Evadman
Wow, lots of fail in this thread. Cement != Concrete. Cement is the glue that binds aggragrate (rocks, gravel, sand or other stone) together. Cement + aggragrate = Concrete. No one in their right mind would ever make anything out of cement; it would fail under its own weight. It would be like pouring Elmer's glue into a shape of a driveway and expecting it to hold up your car.

You forgot water man! Without water, cement and aggregate are nothing but rocks and dust.

True. The water causes a exothermic reaction with cement. When the water leaves the concrete is then 'cured' but that can take 30+ days for maximum strength. Up to that point it's just green. After curing, the water isn't 'bound' in the concrete as an ingredient tho. Technically :p

Originally posted by: JohnCU
it looks bumpy so i guess so.

Then forget about crack repair, like another poster mentioned, it will just fail again anyway. If the driveway is new, it was probably poured to thin, didn't have enough rebar or tension backup, correct expansion joints, or the ground moved enough to overcome the above remediation points.

If you don't like the cracks, the 'best' alternative is to figure out what the failure point was, then repour the driveway with a solution to that failure point.

Other solutions that I can think of off the top of my head (in the order I would do them) are:
1. Live with them. However, if they are large enough to impede automotive or foot traffic:
2. Pack the cracks with asphalt (it gives with the expansion/contraction of existing concrete)
3. Enlarge and undercut the big cracks, then pour a repair. (4" or wider is needed for good strength)
4. Repour the driveway in a 6" thick slab minimum, adding a heat system because I don't like shoveling snow, and I am not pouring the damn driveway again.

No matter what, the repair will be very visible unless the slab is repoured.

 

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Originally posted by: ironwing
Originally posted by: Evadman
Wow, lots of fail in this thread. Cement != Concrete. Cement is the glue that binds aggragrate (rocks, gravel, sand or other stone) together. Cement + aggragrate = Concrete. No one in their right mind would ever make anything out of cement; it would fail under its own weight. It would be like pouring Elmer's glue into a shape of a driveway and expecting it to hold up your car.

You forgot water man! Without water, cement and aggregate are nothing but rocks and dust.


You dont need water, only moisture. ;)