Anyone watch the Democrat town hall? 2/18

[ivwshane]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjJWA_5dzTA

Lots of policy issues being discussed with pretty good engagement. I thought Hillary really made a strong case for herself and explained how her presidency would work.

The most striking difference to me was position versus action. Bernie was able to explain how he's always been on the right side of the issues but he didn't have much to show for it whereas clinton was able to explain her positions in terms of actually getting things done.

For me it seemed like Hillary has a comprehensive plan for once she gets in office, I didn't get that same feeling from bernie.

What was everyone else's take on it?

 

[Sonikku]

She has a comprehensive plan for screwing us all over for special interests. She'll succeed spectacularly. Bernie in contrast wants single payer/less free trade/less corporate hand outs. He'll get no where with it.

Pick your poison. I know I have.

 

[ivwshane]

She has a comprehensive plan for screwing us all over for special interests. She'll succeed spectacularly. Bernie in contrast wants single payer/less free trade/less corporate hand outs. He'll get no where with it.

Pick your poison. I know I have.

Special interest? Like Latinos? Women? And students? How would that screw you over?

 

[Victorian Gray]

Special interest? Like Latinos? Women? And students? How would that screw you over?

You're arguing against over 20 years of slime throwing. She's been accused of everything up to and including murder. She is Satan Incarnate (that is, when Bill isn't Satan Incarnate. They trade the title back and forth)

For all the shit that's been thrown at Obama I'm not sure it's as bad as what's been thrown at the Clintons. I wonder if there has ever been anyone who has been as investigated as they have been over the years.

Now, having said that, I wish they'd retired from the public sphere long ago.

 

[compuwiz1]

You're arguing against over 20 years of slime throwing. She's been accused of everything up to and including murder. She is Satan Incarnate (that is, when Bill isn't Satan Incarnate. They trade the title back and forth)

For all the shit that's been thrown at Obama I'm not sure it's as bad as what's been thrown at the Clintons. I wonder if there has ever been anyone who has been as investigated as they have been over the years.

Now, having said that, I wish they'd retired from the public sphere long ago.

Them retiring from the public sphere? Well, I have to admit Bill looks like only a shell of his former self. I'm not trying to sound like a vulture here, but he looks frail. Can he handle the stress of being president again? Some circles I talk to seem to think that Hillary, if elected, would be taking her direction from him, making him the quasi president. As far as really finally retiring them, I think the voters are going to make that decision very soon. I'm hoping it's the boot, since I don't want to see a dynasty presidency, her or Bush.

 

[HomerJS]

For me the most fascinating thing was Hillary's trust deficit problem. This is the biggest problem I have with her.

Voter pressed her on releasing recordings/transcripts from Wall St. speeches. Answer, "I'll do it if everyone else will". Knowing everyone else won't it gives her a built in excuse. Voter tried to follow-up but got nowhere. My response would have been "You are the one with the trust deficit problem but now you say I will if everyone else does. I expect you to be better then everyone else. If you can't maybe everyone else should be President"

Other moment she was asked a question asked Jimmy Carter when he ran. "Will you ever lie to the American people" She could not directly answer. Became visibly uncomfortable. Go back and read Carters answer. Yes you can argue his effectiveness as President but I believe he was the most honest person to hold that office in the last 50 years.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

This is politics, not marriage. Effectiveness > honesty a million times over. And outside of her immediate competition I don't see what makes Hillary's trust deficit any greater than any of the other folks in this race.

 

[dank69]

Them retiring from the public sphere? Well, I have to admit Bill looks like only a shell of his former self. I'm not trying to sound like a vulture here, but he looks frail. Can he handle the stress of being president again? Some circles I talk to seem to think that Hillary, if elected, would be taking her direction from him, making him the quasi president. As far as really finally retiring them, I think the voters are going to make that decision very soon. I'm hoping it's the boot, since I don't want to see a dynasty presidency, her or Bush.

I found a Venn diagram of your circles:

 

[Subyman]

Some circles I talk to seem to think that Hillary, if elected, would be taking her direction from him, making him the quasi president.

Oh, which ring in the circus did you talk to?

 

[nageov3t]

kinda disappointed that Sanders didn't have an answer to the inevitable inflation question (ie: if we raise the minimum wage to $15/hour, once the dust settles, will minimum wage earners actually have more buying power or will prices simply increase commensurately because there's more demand?)

Clinton's in kind of a lose-lose situation with the speeches. if she doesn't release them, the Sanders campaign gets to hammer her for that, but if she does, they're just going to take any single pro-Wall St comment out of context and blow it up.

I wish she'd hit her own LGBT record harder. yes, she was in favor of civil unions over gay marriage... but outside of that one issue, she was "there" on every single other gay issue, from pushing to get AIDS research funding increased in the early 90's to supporting gay adoptions.

 

[Phokus]

Adolf Hitler also had a comprehensive plan too.

 

[trenchfoot]

kinda disappointed that Sanders didn't have an answer to the inevitable inflation question (ie: if we raise the minimum wage to $15/hour, once the dust settles, will minimum wage earners actually have more buying power or will prices simply increase commensurately because there's more demand?)

Clinton's in kind of a lose-lose situation with the speeches. if she doesn't release them, the Sanders campaign gets to hammer her for that, but if she does, they're just going to take any single pro-Wall St comment out of context and blow it up.

I wish she'd hit her own LGBT record harder. yes, she was in favor of civil unions over gay marriage... but outside of that one issue, she was "there" on every single other gay issue, from pushing to get AIDS research funding increased in the early 90's to supporting gay adoptions.

Her competition knows that if they can keep her backpedaling she won't be able to dig in her heels and start throwing in effective counter punches. I think Bill might not be able to prop her up as well as most folks (including me) thought he'd be able to.

But, it's still early enough in the season for her to find a solid stance and fight back like the Clintons of old.

 

[Mursilis]

Adolf Hitler also had a comprehensive plan too.

And he got things(*) done! That man was EFFECTIVE!!


*horrible things, which should probably go without saying

 

[dank69]

Her competition knows that if they can keep her backpedaling she won't be able to dig in her heels and start throwing in effective counter punches. I think Bill might not be able to prop her up as well as most folks (including me) thought he'd be able to.

But, it's still early enough in the season for her to find a solid stance and fight back like the Clintons of old.

I really like how conservatives said Clinton was the Anti-Christ while in office, was the best modern-day President during Bush's and Obama's terms, and say he is the devil incarnate now that Hillary is in the race again.

 

[nageov3t]

Adolf Hitler also had a comprehensive plan too.

that settles it, we can never elect anyone with a plan ever again.

#trump2016 #hesgotelectrolytes

 

[PokerGuy]

Being able to execute a terrible plan is much worse than not being able to execute a good one.

 

[fskimospy]

I really like how conservatives said Clinton was the Anti-Christ while in office, was the best modern-day President during Bush's and Obama's terms, and say he is the devil incarnate now that Hillary is in the race again.

If you go back you can find plenty of Republicans saying nice things about Hillary Clinton as well. That was when Obama was the adversary though and the narrative they wanted to push was that Obama was unreasonable and Clinton they could work with.

Now that Hillary is the new adversary that praise has to get flushed down the memory hole.

 

[dank69]

Being able to execute a terrible plan is much worse than not being able to execute a good one.

Which of Hillary's stated plans is terrible?

 

[PokerGuy]

Which of Hillary's stated plans is terrible?

I think just about everything about her is terrible, but that's not for this thread and it's not what my post was about.

I was commenting on the OP, in general. He thinks Bernie is on the "right side" of all the issues, but doesn't seem to have as good a plan to execute.

In general, while you'd optimally want someone with both good ideas and a good plan to implement them, if you had to pick one, I'd much rather have someone with good ideas than someone with bad ideas with a great plan to execute them.

 

[dank69]

I think just about everything about her is terrible, but that's not for this thread and it's not what my post was about.

I was commenting on the OP, in general. He thinks Bernie is on the "right side" of all the issues, but doesn't seem to have as good a plan to execute.

In general, while you'd optimally want someone with both good ideas and a good plan to implement them, if you had to pick one, I'd much rather have someone with good ideas than someone with bad ideas with a great plan to execute them.

I didn't ask you what is terrible about her. I asked you what is terrible about her stated plans, which is entirely on topic for this thread.

 

[soulcougher73]

I can only Shillary will not get in the office. She will just lie and flip flop on the flavor of the week bribe...err i mean lobbyist.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

I can only Shillary will not get in the office. She will just lie and flip flop on the flavor of the week bribe...err i mean lobbyist.

Yeah, better make sure one of the Republicans gets in there instead.

 

[soulcougher73]

Yeah, better make sure one of the Republicans gets in there instead.

They're all the same to me. I can only think of 2 recent politicians i trusted as far as the words that came out of their mouth. Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders. I may not like everything they say but at least they arent habitual bought out flip floppers.

 

[fskimospy]

They're all the same to me. I can only think of 2 recent politicians i trusted as far as the words that came out of their mouth. Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders. I may not like everything i say but at least they arent habitual bought out flip floppers.

Why is refusing to change your mind an admirable trait?

 

[soulcougher73]

Why is refusing to change your mind an admirable trait?

I guess it depends if it's a genuine change of mind due to new facts or the like, vs. who's lobbying and giving me money right now. I find most politicians seem to be in the latter group.

I think i'm just too old (42) and jaded anymore to believe anything any of them say. I really dont think they care about "the people".