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Anyone watch the debate tonight?

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UberNeuman said:
What you're unwilling to face is this: Ron Paul has done his work to support the citizens of his state; while bitching about what it takes to support it..

\let's cut our hamstrings to show up our legs...
\\fuck you legs!!
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Hmm...well that is what he was elected to do in the first place. You seem to not understand what a Republic is or what the role of a Congress person is in government when they are elected by the people of their state.

Then again its probably because you have no other real issues to which attack the guy on and thus need to change the subject because frankly speaking he is presenting a very solid, well reasoned and honest points on the issues raised in the debate that a vast swath of Americans can relate too and agree with instead of the typical polarizing extremes you folks on the far-left (and far-right) have grown accustomed too.
 
DucatiMonster696 said:
Two polar opposites agreeing that a candidate that appeals to the center rather then polarizing people is awful is not a surprise.
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He is not a center candidate. He is a die hard libertarian.

In our system that puts him all over the map, left & right.

On spending and the Fed he would be far right, but on foreign policy he is far left.

Only a far leftist would argue to shut down our bases and bring all the troops home.

While only a far righty would argue to cut government spending as much as he wants.

The sad thing about Paul is that his nut job ideas over shadow the good things that he could bring to the debate such as the idea for a smaller government.
 
BTW on the Iran question tonight Paul sounded almost 100% like Craig when giving his answer.

And Craig is as left as you can be on this forum.
 
ProfJohn said:
He is not a center candidate. He is a die hard libertarian.

In our system that puts him all over the map, left & right.

On spending and the Fed he would be far right, but on foreign policy he is far left.

Only a far leftist would argue to shut down our bases and bring all the troops home.
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Obama hasn't done any of this either does this mean he is far-right?

While only a far righty would argue to cut government spending as much as he wants.
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The view that government should operate within its means and only within its framework which has been setup by our Constitution is not "far-right" its following our Constitution and staying true to the values and ideas that built this nation.

The sad thing about Paul is that his nut job ideas over shadow the good things that he could bring to the debate such as the idea for a smaller government.
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Actually the sad thing is that no one else on that panel has a chance of being elected against Obama other then Ron who can attack Obama from both sides of the political spectrum.
 
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ProfJohn said:
BTW on the Iran question tonight Paul sounded almost 100% like Craig when giving his answer.

And Craig is as left as you can be on this forum.
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While it is true that Paul is against taking action against Iran he is in complete favor of supporting our allies in the region. In the case of Israel Paul wouldn't leave them hanging in the air if Iran were stupid enough to attack them in some manner.
 
DucatiMonster696 said:
While it is true that Paul is against taking action against Iran he is in complete favor of supporting our allies in the region. In the case of Israel Paul wouldn't leave them hanging in the air if Iran were stupid enough to attack them in some manner.
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Think of this from the view point of the Israelis. That may sound good to you, safely here in America but if Iran strikes Israel with a nuke, it will not do them much good if America retaliates, now will it?
 
DucatiMonster696 said:
While it is true that Paul is against taking action against Iran he is in complete favor of supporting our allies in the region. In the case of Israel Paul wouldn't leave them hanging in the air if Iran were stupid enough to attack them in some manner.
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I'm pretty sure you misunderstand Ron Paul's position on Israel.
 
a777pilot said:
Think of this from the view point of the Israelis. That may sound good to you, safely here in America but if Iran strikes Israel with a nuke, it will not do them much good if America retaliates, now will it?
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If Iran wants to seal their fate and strike Israel with a nuke they will do so regardless of how many soldiers we have stationed near them because such a decision would not come from an area of sanity,well reasoned thought or a fear of consequences. In addition Israel isn't a helpless puppy they have their own nukes and they have a military that bar none the best in the region that would mop the floor with Iran.
 
DucatiMonster696 said:
If Iran wants to seal their fate and strike Israel with a nuke they will do so regardless of how many soldiers we have stationed near them because such a decision would not come from an area of sanity,well reasoned thought or a fear of consequences. In addition Israel isn't a helpless puppy they have their own nukes and they have a military that bar none the best in the region that would mop the floor with Iran.
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Again, in a world where the Iranians can strike first with a nuke, a strategy of retaliation is meaningless.
 
a777pilot said:
Again, in a world where the Iranians can strike first with a nuke, a strategy of retaliation is meaningless.
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And in this very same world we aren't going to prevent them from attaining a nuke if they are hell bent getting one. All we can do is temporarily forestall the day when they finally get one but not much short of engaging in a full scale invasion of Iran could we absolutely prevent them from doing so which would be disastrous for all parties involved.
 
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a777pilot said:
MAD only "works" with a rational enemy that does not wish to die. Iranian's religious leaders are not rational. They are religious zealots.
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I don't buy that. Like any other leaders, they are very rational and want to stay in power. They would not do anything that would threaten or destroy their regime.

I'd be far more concerned about a rogue terrorist group somehow getting their hands on a nuclear weapon and using it. Which is not to say I'm terribly concerned about that either, but I think it's a more likely scenario than Iran attacking Israel without provocation.
 
Americans don't have the courage to vote in someone like Ron Paul. The only thing that keeps them from shitting their pants is the idea some bad guy is doing some bad stuff to some other countries bad people. I don't know when this country thought it could afford its cowardice, but I'm willing to bet that sort of peace of mind will soon be to expensive.
 
Generator said:
Americans don't have the courage to vote in someone like Ron Paul. The only thing that keeps them from shitting their pants is the idea some bad guy is doing some bad stuff to some other countries bad people. I don't know when this country thought it could afford its cowardice, but I'm willing to bet that sort of peace of mind will soon be to expensive.
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Mr Paul's policies do not represent how 97% of the citizens of the US think the government should be ran. People who agree with him have trouble with this reality and assume that there is something wrong with everyone else.
 
ProfJohn said:
Ron Paul is a total nut job!!

When Uber and I agree then there has to be something wrong with the guy.

He came right out and said that he doesn't care if Iran gets a nuke. If he was President in 1939 he would have said "I don't care if Germany invades Poland, that isn't our business..."
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Absolutely not, because you two are both unhinged.
 
Siddhartha said:
Mr Paul's policies do not represent how 97% of the citizens of the US think the government should be ran. People who agree with him have trouble with this reality and assume that there is something wrong with everyone else.
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And what is the best argument against democracy?
 
ProfJohn said:
The Clinton/Newt this is kind of sad.

Paul is a nut job. The Jews and the Arab go to war and we can't afford to fill our tanks with gas and out economy crashes. This isn't the 19th century where we can ignore what happens outside or borders. The idiot came out and said that he didn't care if Iran had a nuke...

What is he going to say when they have one and set it off in Israel?
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That sounds like a problem for Isreal to deal with. It's not like they are some helpless country.
 
ProfJohn said:
Rick Perry Doubled Texas’ Debt, Then Balanced Budget Through Accounting Gimmicks
Hell of a lot better than what Obama has done...

Obama 3 years, $4 trillion in debt.

Bush 8 years, $5 trillion in debt. And you guys HATED Bush for doing so! You bitched constantly about his spending and he debt and how awful he was but now you make excuses for Obama. It's pathetic.
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You do realize Obama's debt is in direct correlation to what Bush did during his time did dont you? But keep wearing your blinders. Ignorance truley is bliss for some less evolved people.
 
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soulcougher73 said:
You do realize Obama's debt is in direct correlation to what Bush during his time did dont you? But keep wearing your blinders. Ignorance truley is bliss for some less evolved people.
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Hey their sheep buy it because they are low information voters so ya....
 
Siddhartha said:
Mr Paul's policies do represent how 97% of the citizens of the US think the government should be ran. People who agree with him have trouble with this reality and assume that there is something wrong with everyone else.
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FTFY

-Smaller more efficient govt.
- states rights
- focus on domestic problems not being the world police
- audit the fed
- repeal obamacare
- Dramatically reduce govt. spending, balance the budget etc.

I don't know who you talk to but every sane person I know can agree with these things.
 
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