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spidey07

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venkman said:
To put it in typical ATOT terms, if there was a war between the Call of Duty: Modern Warfare guys and the Call of Duty: World at War guys, I'd want to be on the Modern Warfare side.
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That's fine. Because with this you could pick people off from a distance and your non-bolt action rifles wouldn't be able to accurately fire back.
 
nick1985

nick1985

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venkman said:
To put it in typical ATOT terms, if there was a war between the Call of Duty: Modern Warfare guys and the Call of Duty: World at War guys, I'd want to be on the Modern Warfare side.
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For a crate of 20 "Modern Warfare" rifles, you would have to add on a 0 to the end of the price. You can equip 10x as many people with these, think of the savings!!!
 
bob4432

bob4432

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spidey07 said:
They'd still be bolt action.
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nope, many, many automatic rifles capable of sub-moa in lots of different calibers - just look at the AR15/10 line of firearms - very accurate and so many calibers you can have just about whatever you want.
 
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mwmorph

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bob4432 said:
nope, many, many automatic rifles capable of sub-moa in lots of different calibers - just look at the AR15/10 line of firearms - very accurate and so many calibers you can have just about whatever you want.
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Military DM and Sniper rifles tend to universally be at best 1 MOA accuracy. SWAT snipers tend to aim for 0.5-1 MOA so they can reliably hit the brain stem at 100 yards, but military rifles require reliability/durability in harsh environments over ultimate accuracy and are going to be 1-2 MOA depending on the weapon.

Also people tend to give bolt action a bit too much credit. Yes, bolt action helps, but it's not as big an impact as the round itself, barrel specs, etc. Remember, before a couple of years ago, the longest sniper shot was made with a .50 BMG round out of a Browning M2 machine gun with a Unertl 10x scope at a distance of 1.42 miles.
 
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Zebo

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What do you mean thinking about. Everyone should have a POA if SHTF. Granted half my neighbors think I'm nuts but the other half have been receptive. One guy a federal Marshall has some cool hardware likie full autos, mines and stuff. I'm still waiting on my Form 4 for M16 I bought in March.
 
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spidey07

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Zebo said:
What do you mean thinking about. Everyone should have a POA if SHTF. Granted half my neighbors think I'm nuts but the other half have been receptive. One guy a federal Marshall has some cool hardware likie full autos, mines and stuff. I'm still waiting on my Form 4 for M16 I bought in March.
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Good man. Getting my full auto AK soon.
 
bob4432

bob4432

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Zebo said:
What do you mean thinking about. Everyone should have a POA if SHTF. Granted half my neighbors think I'm nuts but the other half have been receptive. One guy a federal Marshall has some cool hardware likie full autos, mines and stuff. I'm still waiting on my Form 4 for M16 I bought in March.
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just out of curiosity, why did you go the whole lower/firearm instead of a rdias? also, what did you end up getting?
 
Zebo

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bob4432 said:
just out of curiosity, why did you go the whole lower/firearm instead of a rdias? also, what did you end up getting?
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Ignorance. I would have got a RDIAS if I had known the advantages like I do now. But back around November 08' the impetus of a ban with Obama sparked my curiosity in full auto - I just grabbed the first thing I saw. In retrospect with no ban I could have waited.

FYI - I paid 9K for an SP1 conversion by Lafrance
 
Zebo

Zebo

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spidey07 said:
Good man. Getting my full auto AK soon.
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When did you put paperwork in? They cashed my $200 check in April still no okay. I bought it through one of my C corps so that may take longer but WTF - I've never even been in the back of a police car.
 
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bob4432

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Zebo said:
Ignorance. I would have got a RDIAS if I had known the advantages like I do now. But back around November 08' the impetus of a ban with Obama sparked my curiosity in full auto - I just grabbed the first thing I saw. In retrospect with no ban I could have waited.

FYI - I paid 9K for an SP1 conversion by Lafrance
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nonetheless very cool, i am sure you will be happy with it. just out of curiosity, would you need another stamp to put a sbr upper on it? or is that covered since it is already a nfa item? not that the extra $200 stamp would mean that much when you are into f/a items, just curious.

so atf cashed your check in april? man, i didn't think it took that long and even faster when you went w/ a corp or trust, guess lots of people doing nfa stuff :)
 
Zebo

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No extra paperwork for sbr - not like I want one though. I have a LMT piston upper I'm slapping on there which is 16" is about the shortest I want in 5.56 due to failure to frag...My AR is also a 16" Noveske..maybe a 458 socom SBR upper would be cool but I like limit my ammo stash to common rounds for several reasons, cost, finding if SHTF and optics like ACOGs are gauged for them. Rounds like .308, 5.56, 45ACP 9mm, 12ga - all common are the way to go IMO. Only exception I have is my deer rifle in 300 winmag. .308 just can't kill humanely at distance.

If you want to add a suppressor that's another 200 though.

Yeah form 4s are taking FOREVER according to dealer ATF is being hit by 4x usual number and I'm just guessing - but I doubt adding processors is this admins highest priority.
 
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0roo0roo

0roo0roo

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venkman said:
To put it in typical ATOT terms, if there was a war between the Call of Duty: Modern Warfare guys and the Call of Duty: World at War guys, I'd want to be on the Modern Warfare side.
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it doesn't get awesome until you get awps;)
 
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