anyone switch TO pentax?

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I've been contemplating this (K20D), but I halfway think I'm crazy. I enjoy low/available light shooting, which is a big reason I had gone to canon to begin with. But I've always been intrigued with the pentax pancake lens lineup.

My only concern is will Pentax survive, I don't ever see any of these things out there. And any event/wedding shooters use em? heh.

Glass isn't a problem, my favorite zoom is the 50-135.. which is better on the pentax since it'll have a damn motor, heh. I'll miss my 85/1.8 (and my planned 135L) but I think I can manage.

I should also add I have a K1000 I shoot from time to time, so it would give me a really good excuse to buy more old solid primes =)

So, any converted digital pentax shooters in the house, and what's your story?

 

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If you enjoy low light shooting, you want to avoid Pentax cameras at all costs: their old ass AF system is painfully slow in low light. It's pretty much unusable.

In addition, I think it's only a matter of time for Pentax to go out of business. It's a well known fact Hoya wanted to get rid of Pentax camera division; now that the economy is down and Pentax is doing terrible in the market, they already laid off half of wokers in that division. Relationship with the partner, Samsung, isn't good either. Samsung has shown disappointment in Pentax and they're going after their own play ground. The best thing for Pentax camera division is to be aquired by Samsung but it seems very unlikly. Though many hated it, I think Minolta was lucky to be merged into Sony. For Pentax, I can't think of any company wanting to take over especially when the global economy is this bad.

After all, I don't think Pentax cameras are bad. For some, it's good more than enough. However, what they provide is just way too limited compared to others. While all the others are coming out with new lenses and cameras, all they've been doing is messing with colors and rebadging old cameras with new gimmicks.


 

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Originally posted by: Deadtrees
If you enjoy low light shooting, you want to avoid Pentax cameras at all costs: their old ass AF system is painfully slow in low light. It's pretty much unusable.

I seldom have an issue focusing in low light with my K100D. And when I do, I use the flash in AF-assist mode, which has never failed me. But maybe with other Pentaxes it's different. Which model do you have?

Here's what DPReview says about the K20D's AF:

The autofocus, while never breathtakingly fast, is also never intrusively slow for general shooting. Using enthusiast-level lenses (16-45mm f/4 or 35mm f/2.8 Macro), its performance, even in low light, has been at least comparable with similarly-priced cameras, if not quite up to the standards of the more expensive, similarly-specified cameras from other brands.

Originally posted by: Deadtrees
In addition, I think it's only a matter of time for Pentax to go out of business. It's a well known fact Hoya wanted to get rid of Pentax camera division; now that the economy is down and Pentax is doing terrible in the market, they already laid off half of wokers in that division. Relationship with the partner, Samsung, isn't good either. Samsung has shown disappointment in Pentax and they're going after their own play ground. The best thing for Pentax camera division is to be aquired by Samsung but it seems very unlikly. Though many hated it, I think Minolta was lucky to be merged into Sony. For Pentax, I can't think of any company wanting to take over especially when the global economy is this bad.

From what I've read, most of the Pentax layoffs were related to the P&S division, and sales positions. The DSLR business had already been transitioned to other locations and workforces.

Pentax's demise has been rumoured for years. I would say, though, that of all the mainstream DSLR companies, Pentax is the one most likely to perish.

Here's a release from Samsung, earlier this week. Sounds pretty positive:

03-31-2009 17:05 Samsung to Boost Pentax Partnership Park Sang-jin, center, CEO of Samsung Digital Imaging, and models pose in front of Samsung?s new cameras at a press event held in Samsung Electronics? headquarters in Seocho-dong, southern Seoul, Tuesday. / Courtesy of Samsung Electronics By Kim Yoo-chul Staff Reporter Samsung Digital Imaging (SDI), a camera-producing affiliate of Samsung Electronics, Tuesday denied the possibility of an M&A deal for further external growth in the camera business. The company is competing with Japanese makers such as Canon, Sony and Nikon. It is currently the world's No. 3 maker of compact cameras. The affiliate, however, is planning to strengthen a partnership with Japan's Pentax in a bid to sharpen lens and photo-related chips ? key components for enhancing camera capabilities. "Amid the global recession, the time is not ripe to push an M&A deal," Park Sang-jin, chief executive of the company said in a press conference at an event to unveil new camera models held in Samsung's headquarter, Seocho-dong, southern Seoul. "Samsung Digital Imaging has made much progress in the development of lens and image processing chips, independently," Park added. "We have already secured complementary metal-oxide semiconductor (CMOS) technologies to handle more data volume," according to the executive. Citing a solid partnership with the Japanese camera maker, the executive said Samsung and Pentax have also been engaged in additional talks to expand this mutual partnership. "Further details over the Samsung-Pentax partnership in the digital single lens reflex (DSLR) camera category will be unveiled, soon," Park said. Samsung is lagging competitiveness behind Japanese camera makers in the DSLR camera market, which is gaining in popularity and is more profitable than the compact camera segment. By riding on Samsung Electronics' solid distribution channels in developed markets, the camera unit is aiming to increase its global market share in compact cameras to 12.5 percent in 2009 from 10.4 percent in 2008. "Camera shipments by SDI in the first quarter will rise 12 percent year-on-year as the unit is selling the products using Samsung Electronics' solid outlet channels in China, India and South America," Kim Do-han, an analyst at Samsung Securities said. Also the affiliate, which separated from Samsung Techwin and is 33 percent-owned by Samsung Electronics, is set to boost its digital imaging product sales to five trillion won or some $3.6 billion by 2012. Camera sales in 2008 were worth two trillion won, according to the company. SDI is developing a high-end hybrid model, which would feature the small body of a compact camera with exchangeable lenses. "An internal partnership with Samsung Electronics in development, marketing and design will help us boost our global share. Premium products are another card for a bigger share," Park said. Samsung Electronics has steadily been increasing its budget on the camera business as the consumer electronics maker hopes to make it its next growth engine, analysts say. "The camera business won't bear immediate profits. But Samsung will never give up the segment as it needs more consumer gadgets that consume memory and NAND flash chips," Park Young-joo, an analyst at Woori Investment said. Samsung Electronics is the world's biggest producer of DRAMs and NAND chips. DRAMs are used in traditional PCs, while NAND chips go into high-end portable devices such as MP3 players and digital cameras. But some say camera makers appear to have reached a crossroads as they are finding their earnings power weakening rapidly. "That's why compact camera makers are now competing with innovative functions after the competition for higher resolution that expanded the digital camera market to this point reached its limit," said a high-ranking industry source. yckim@koreatimes.co.kr

Original link: http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/ww...2009/03/123_42293.html

Originally posted by: Deadtrees
After all, I don't think Pentax cameras are bad. For some, it's good more than enough. However, what they provide is just way too limited compared to others. While all the others are coming out with new lenses and cameras, all they've been doing is messing with colors and rebadging old cameras with new gimmicks.

Every review I've read on recent Pentaxes (K100D onwards) have been extremely positive, often cited as being near or at the top of their price class. Other than AF speed, how do they suffer when compared with other DSLR's of the same class? The main constraint of going Pentax is the limited availability of lenses, other than primes.

Last year, Pentax released 3 new DLSR's, including one with a brand new sensor.

 

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Originally posted by: randomlinh
I've been contemplating this (K20D), but I halfway think I'm crazy. I enjoy low/available light shooting, which is a big reason I had gone to canon to begin with. But I've always been intrigued with the pentax pancake lens lineup.

My only concern is will Pentax survive, I don't ever see any of these things out there. And any event/wedding shooters use em? heh.

Glass isn't a problem, my favorite zoom is the 50-135.. which is better on the pentax since it'll have a damn motor, heh. I'll miss my 85/1.8 (and my planned 135L) but I think I can manage.

I should also add I have a K1000 I shoot from time to time, so it would give me a really good excuse to buy more old solid primes =)

So, any converted digital pentax shooters in the house, and what's your story?

I've seen some Canikon users switch to Pentax, usually because of either nostalgia or a desire for the Pentax primes.

I guess the most famous Pentax "switcher" is Ben Kanarek.

Are there really that many Pentax primes that do not have analogue in the Canon world?

Have you asked this question over at DPReview, or maybe Pentaxforums.com?
 

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Originally posted by: Flipped Gazelle
Originally posted by: randomlinh
I've been contemplating this (K20D), but I halfway think I'm crazy. I enjoy low/available light shooting, which is a big reason I had gone to canon to begin with. But I've always been intrigued with the pentax pancake lens lineup.

My only concern is will Pentax survive, I don't ever see any of these things out there. And any event/wedding shooters use em? heh.

Glass isn't a problem, my favorite zoom is the 50-135.. which is better on the pentax since it'll have a damn motor, heh. I'll miss my 85/1.8 (and my planned 135L) but I think I can manage.

I should also add I have a K1000 I shoot from time to time, so it would give me a really good excuse to buy more old solid primes =)

So, any converted digital pentax shooters in the house, and what's your story?

I've seen some Canikon users switch to Pentax, usually because of either nostalgia or a desire for the Pentax primes.

I guess the most famous Pentax "switcher" is Ben Kanarek.

Are there really that many Pentax primes that do not have analogue in the Canon world?

Have you asked this question over at DPReview, or maybe Pentaxforums.com?

yeah, I'm asking at the pentax forums, too. Pentax's demise is one of my biggest concerns. It's rough.

And yes, canikon has no pancake set of lenses =) Their Limited line of lenses is suppose to excel, but to be honest, it's not what I'm after. Throw in a little nostalgia and IMO a better feeling camera. Part of it is just a pure desire to try out the system. I should just rent a K20D+21/3.2 pancake. but i don't think i can do that.
 

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Originally posted by: randomlinh
yeah, I'm asking at the pentax forums, too. Pentax's demise is one of my biggest concerns. It's rough.

And yes, canikon has no pancake set of lenses =) Their Limited line of lenses is suppose to excel, but to be honest, it's not what I'm after. Throw in a little nostalgia and IMO a better feeling camera. Part of it is just a pure desire to try out the system. I should just rent a K20D+21/3.2 pancake. but i don't think i can do that.

There's cameralensrentals.com but renting a K20D + lens would be close to $200, if you want it for over a week. :Q


 

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Deadtrees: What was the last Pentax body that you used? I don't have a Canon to compare speed to, but the AF is definitely workable down to about .3s f1.8 iso400 light. Actually, my 16-50mm 2.8 is also capable of AF in the same light, but takes a little more effort.
 

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Originally posted by: Flipped Gazelle
Originally posted by: randomlinh
yeah, I'm asking at the pentax forums, too. Pentax's demise is one of my biggest concerns. It's rough.

And yes, canikon has no pancake set of lenses =) Their Limited line of lenses is suppose to excel, but to be honest, it's not what I'm after. Throw in a little nostalgia and IMO a better feeling camera. Part of it is just a pure desire to try out the system. I should just rent a K20D+21/3.2 pancake. but i don't think i can do that.

There's cameralensrentals.com but renting a K20D + lens would be close to $200, if you want it for over a week. :Q

ouch. at that point i'm better off buying it and selling it when i'm done, heh. or just wait and see if the DP2 will come close to the perfect compact, heh.
 

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if they make a limited camera with the same design philosophy as the limited lens series and i'm there
 

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Yeah, in this regard I agree with Deadtrees: Pentax doesn't have much hope long-term, so long as Hoya owns them. Even a couple of years ago, when Pentax released the K10D to much acclaim, they couldn't gain marketshare. They have very little B&M retail penetration, and even camera shops that "sell" Pentax either spread FUD or are just ignorant about the brand.

Another factor that hurts Pentax is that there are virtually no referrals. Sony sells some cameras because the name is "Sony". Canon & Nikon are the 800lb gorillas in the market, names which are synonymous with "camera", and so pervasive that for years Nikon has been able to sell a huge # of mediocre P&S cameras because of the Nikon name. I've seen Canon users recommend a Nikon, and vice-versa, but seldom see either camp recommend a Pentax, or even have accurate info about the company.

Samsung is an unlikely buyer, IMO, because they want to develop the NX format. If NX flops after a few years, and Pentax is still around, then perhaps Samsung acquires them.
 

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i thought Samsung already jump-shipped to micro-four-thirds format... with the new re-badged Panasonic G1.
 

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Originally posted by: andylawcc
i thought Samsung already jump-shipped to micro-four-thirds format... with the new re-badged Panasonic G1.

Panny G1 is micro 4/3. Samsung's "small" format - which is still APS-C - is called NX.

Samsung continues to sell the GX20, which is a re-badged Pentax K20 w/different firmware. Samsung also provides the CMOS sensor.
 

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Pentax's appeal is TONS of cheap awesome old lenses that are stabilized on their bodies...even if the company goes away, it's not like your pentax dslr will just stop working for no reason lol. Nothing wrong with the pentax stuff, and if you think you want one, go get one. Though they aren't usually up to image quality par at higher isos, unless you are making huge prints I doubt you'll ever notice an image quality difference. And their weather sealing is good i've heard.
 

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Originally posted by: extra
Pentax's appeal is TONS of cheap awesome old lenses that are stabilized on their bodies...even if the company goes away, it's not like your pentax dslr will just stop working for no reason lol. Nothing wrong with the pentax stuff, and if you think you want one, go get one. Though they aren't usually up to image quality par at higher isos, unless you are making huge prints I doubt you'll ever notice an image quality difference. And their weather sealing is good i've heard.

didn't you know all cameras have a link home and if it drops, it explodes ;) If it does go out, it just makes my switch futile since i'll have to do it again. In the end, I probably won't, but really this is my way of vetting it out for myself, heh.
 

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Originally posted by: Flipped Gazelle
You'll feel much better if you go out and buy yourself a nice lens... :D
heh, don't you worry, that has crossed my mind quite a bit too =) I just have a hard time justifying buying a new lens for the hell of it. I've done it too much and trying to cut back =P
 

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I have a Pentax K100D and love it. Ive always been told it takes amazing pictures. Even from this forum. If youre curious you can check out my Picasa album at picasaweb.google.com/nstoudt
 

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Originally posted by: Spineshank
I have a Pentax K100D and love it. Ive always been told it takes amazing pictures. Even from this forum. If youre curious you can check out my Picasa album at picasaweb.google.com/nstoudt

I don't have much doubt in the quality of pics, maybe some high ISO issues, but I do like their hands off approach for noise. I was seeing if anyone went to their system, mainly from canon, heh.
 

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Originally posted by: Flipped Gazelle
Originally posted by: Deadtrees
If you enjoy low light shooting, you want to avoid Pentax cameras at all costs: their old ass AF system is painfully slow in low light. It's pretty much unusable.

I seldom have an issue focusing in low light with my K100D. And when I do, I use the flash in AF-assist mode, which has never failed me. But maybe with other Pentaxes it's different. Which model do you have?

Here's what DPReview says about the K20D's AF:

The autofocus, while never breathtakingly fast, is also never intrusively slow for general shooting. Using enthusiast-level lenses (16-45mm f/4 or 35mm f/2.8 Macro), its performance, even in low light, has been at least comparable with similarly-priced cameras, if not quite up to the standards of the more expensive, similarly-specified cameras from other brands.

Originally posted by: Deadtrees
In addition, I think it's only a matter of time for Pentax to go out of business. It's a well known fact Hoya wanted to get rid of Pentax camera division; now that the economy is down and Pentax is doing terrible in the market, they already laid off half of wokers in that division. Relationship with the partner, Samsung, isn't good either. Samsung has shown disappointment in Pentax and they're going after their own play ground. The best thing for Pentax camera division is to be aquired by Samsung but it seems very unlikly. Though many hated it, I think Minolta was lucky to be merged into Sony. For Pentax, I can't think of any company wanting to take over especially when the global economy is this bad.

From what I've read, most of the Pentax layoffs were related to the P&S division, and sales positions. The DSLR business had already been transitioned to other locations and workforces.

Pentax's demise has been rumoured for years. I would say, though, that of all the mainstream DSLR companies, Pentax is the one most likely to perish.

Here's a release from Samsung, earlier this week. Sounds pretty positive:

03-31-2009 17:05 Samsung to Boost Pentax Partnership Park Sang-jin, center, CEO of Samsung Digital Imaging, and models pose in front of Samsung?s new cameras at a press event held in Samsung Electronics? headquarters in Seocho-dong, southern Seoul, Tuesday. / Courtesy of Samsung Electronics By Kim Yoo-chul Staff Reporter Samsung Digital Imaging (SDI), a camera-producing affiliate of Samsung Electronics, Tuesday denied the possibility of an M&A deal for further external growth in the camera business. The company is competing with Japanese makers such as Canon, Sony and Nikon. It is currently the world's No. 3 maker of compact cameras. The affiliate, however, is planning to strengthen a partnership with Japan's Pentax in a bid to sharpen lens and photo-related chips ? key components for enhancing camera capabilities. "Amid the global recession, the time is not ripe to push an M&A deal," Park Sang-jin, chief executive of the company said in a press conference at an event to unveil new camera models held in Samsung's headquarter, Seocho-dong, southern Seoul. "Samsung Digital Imaging has made much progress in the development of lens and image processing chips, independently," Park added. "We have already secured complementary metal-oxide semiconductor (CMOS) technologies to handle more data volume," according to the executive. Citing a solid partnership with the Japanese camera maker, the executive said Samsung and Pentax have also been engaged in additional talks to expand this mutual partnership. "Further details over the Samsung-Pentax partnership in the digital single lens reflex (DSLR) camera category will be unveiled, soon," Park said. Samsung is lagging competitiveness behind Japanese camera makers in the DSLR camera market, which is gaining in popularity and is more profitable than the compact camera segment. By riding on Samsung Electronics' solid distribution channels in developed markets, the camera unit is aiming to increase its global market share in compact cameras to 12.5 percent in 2009 from 10.4 percent in 2008. "Camera shipments by SDI in the first quarter will rise 12 percent year-on-year as the unit is selling the products using Samsung Electronics' solid outlet channels in China, India and South America," Kim Do-han, an analyst at Samsung Securities said. Also the affiliate, which separated from Samsung Techwin and is 33 percent-owned by Samsung Electronics, is set to boost its digital imaging product sales to five trillion won or some $3.6 billion by 2012. Camera sales in 2008 were worth two trillion won, according to the company. SDI is developing a high-end hybrid model, which would feature the small body of a compact camera with exchangeable lenses. "An internal partnership with Samsung Electronics in development, marketing and design will help us boost our global share. Premium products are another card for a bigger share," Park said. Samsung Electronics has steadily been increasing its budget on the camera business as the consumer electronics maker hopes to make it its next growth engine, analysts say. "The camera business won't bear immediate profits. But Samsung will never give up the segment as it needs more consumer gadgets that consume memory and NAND flash chips," Park Young-joo, an analyst at Woori Investment said. Samsung Electronics is the world's biggest producer of DRAMs and NAND chips. DRAMs are used in traditional PCs, while NAND chips go into high-end portable devices such as MP3 players and digital cameras. But some say camera makers appear to have reached a crossroads as they are finding their earnings power weakening rapidly. "That's why compact camera makers are now competing with innovative functions after the competition for higher resolution that expanded the digital camera market to this point reached its limit," said a high-ranking industry source. yckim@koreatimes.co.kr

Original link: http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/ww...2009/03/123_42293.html

Originally posted by: Deadtrees
After all, I don't think Pentax cameras are bad. For some, it's good more than enough. However, what they provide is just way too limited compared to others. While all the others are coming out with new lenses and cameras, all they've been doing is messing with colors and rebadging old cameras with new gimmicks.

Every review I've read on recent Pentaxes (K100D onwards) have been extremely positive, often cited as being near or at the top of their price class. Other than AF speed, how do they suffer when compared with other DSLR's of the same class? The main constraint of going Pentax is the limited availability of lenses, other than primes.

Last year, Pentax released 3 new DLSR's, including one with a brand new sensor.

Although it's against what I've said, you've made Great points!

The last model I've used is Pentax *istDS and I've also had hands on K10D. Though *istDS is a old dslr, it uses the same SAFOX VIII AF as in all the other Pentax DSLRs including K10D and K20D. I know there can be a difference even if they all use same modules (even using different type of battery makes a difference as I've noticed using CRV over NIMH batteries,) but such differences are only minor. In fact, I've noticed same old very slow AF in low light settings for both cameras. BTW, when I say it's very slow, it's when compared to other Nikon, Sony, and Canon entry to mid-range cameras. However, even without comparing to others, it was just slow that I could feel it and see it.

About the partnership with Samsung:
I've read the direct quatation and it didn't sound positive unlike what it's implied in that article. Series of interviews with Samsung executives over the recent years have shown their disappointement and because that, it was not suprising when Samsung developed NX on their own.
I've been a member of Samsung digital camera forum where insiders from Samsung write what's going on, and all indicates Samsung's going own their own if things remain the same. It was same on the Pentax's side.

http://www.ddaily.co.kr/news/news_view.php?uid=48410

Words from CEO of Samsung DIC states that "the company is reappraising DSLR line of business and based on hybrid digital camera market, it can be absorbed and reduced. As it's a market being dominated by Canon and Nikon, it's not even attractive in terms of marketing. However, it'll do its best to obtain optical technology. The news article also states how the company will start to take a new look at its position in dslr market and its new partnership with Pentax.

http://stock.mt.co.kr/view/mtv...&type=1&outlink=2&EVEC
Another newspaper from Korea also talks about how the future looks glim for Penax and Samsung Partnership.

Anway, I do not think the partnership will be over anytime soon but within a few years.


About Pentax getting good reviews and "being near or at the top of their price class."
I agree. Pentax cameras are great at where they're positioned but that's pretty much it. The problem with Pentax is that they don't go further than that unlike the others hence the notion 'limited.'

 

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Originally posted by: Deadtrees
The last model I've used is Pentax *istDS and I've also had hands on K10D. Though *istDS is a old dslr, it uses the same SAFOX VIII AF as in all the other Pentax DSLRs including K10D and K20D. I know there can be a difference even if they all use same modules (even using different type of battery makes a difference as I've noticed using CRV over NIMH batteries,) but such differences are only minor. In fact, I've noticed same old very slow AF in low light settings for both cameras. BTW, when I say it's very slow, it's when compared to other Nikon, Sony, and Canon entry to mid-range cameras. However, even without comparing to others, it was just slow that I could feel it and see it.
There is definitely a difference in speed coming from the DS and the newer cameras. I have extensive experience with the DS and K200D - the K200D is snappier in low light than the DS (comparing screwdrive to screwdrive). I was very surprised when I first used the K200D. I've played around with the D90 in a Best Buy and did not feel that it was significantly quicker, if at all, than my K200D+16-50mm combo.
 

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I have a K20D + DA*16-50/2.8 + DA*50-135/2.8 and a couple of other lenses, and ironically, I am thinking of switching to canikon.
Except for the continuous autofocus performance, there is nothing with the K20D that is inferior to other cameras in it's class. Build quality, ergonomics, handling, IQ etc are top notch. You cannot get an APS-C weather sealed system for this price from other manufacturers.

K20D + Limited Primes = lighweight, compact, low-light solution with excellent IQ. Replace the K20D with the K2000/k-m and it's even more compact.

K20D + DA* zooms = Inexpensive all-weather solution with excellent IQ.


The K20D's single mode autofocus is pretty good with the right lens- fast, and more importantly very accurate even in low light once it gets a lock. I've played with the 40D and D300/700 + wide zooms and their AF-S speeds are not measurably higher than what I get with my K20D + DA*16-50.

The K20D really falls flat in AF-C mode though..pretty much *useless* for most situations that actually call for it...even in good light it has trouble tracking moving objects. This, and the lack of good long lenses are my reasons for wanting to switch.

Pentax has perhaps the widest range of DA lenses (optimized for APS-C) other than Olympus, and these are small, relatively lightweight lenses with good IQ. The amount of detail in properly exposed images from the K20D is phenomenal. Ultimately, the K20D is an an excellent camera except for the AF-C issue.

When I look at the offerings from Canikon, they seem rather expensive compared to Pentax, and lack features such as weather-sealing and image stabilization. The 40D's ergonomics are also crap compared to the K20D. I was seriously thinking of getting a D300, but the complete lack of image-stabilized wide-moderate lenses for Nikon pretty much killed that idea....no way i am giving up stabilization.

So now it looks like it's going to be a 40D + 17-55/2.8 IS USM + 70-200/4 L IS USM, if I manage to sell off my Pentax gear in the near future.