anyone seen the new 120hz "motion" TV's?

[daveymark]

samsung calls it "auto motion plus"

sony calls it "motion flow"

anyone seen them in action?

 

[Schadenfroh]

Yes, if you visit B&M stores that have the lntxx71f line from samsung (120hz), they have a "demo mode" that will chop the screen in two and label each standard and 120hz for you to compare the differences.

But, mind the source and beware of TBEs

 

[aphex]

I've seen it on the Samsungs, and to be honest, i LOVED it. Never seen anything so smooth in my life. It had some slight issues with fast action taking place over a slower moving background, but overall I loved the effect it had.

 

[Chapbass]

i dunno really what i think about it. I just quickly glanced at a samsung screen that had it with pirates of the caribbean playing (the swordfight scene between jack and will in the blacksmith shop). Made me a little queesy and looked a little fake. If i got used to it, however, i could see myself not wanting to go back to "normal tv"

 

[pennylane]

I have one (Sony SXRD). For motion flow, it has off, normal, and high. I usually leave it on either off or normal. It works but it does look creepy sometimes.

The big plus for 120hz TV's is true 24fps film without resorting to 3:2 pulldown. 120 is divisible by 24, so all the frames are shown an equal number of times. For 60hz TV's some frames are shown more than others and means the motion isn't smooth sometimes.

 

[Muadib]

Originally posted by: fanerman91
I have one (Sony SXRD). For motion flow, it has off, normal, and high. I usually leave it on either off or normal. It works but it does look creepy sometimes.

The big plus for 120hz TV's is true 24fps film without resorting to 3:2 pulldown. 120 is divisible by 24, so all the frames are shown an equal number of times. For 60hz TV's some frames are shown more than others and means the motion isn't smooth sometimes.

What do you mean by it does look creepy?

I saw it with a buddy, and he's getting a XBR with it. If I were in the market, I'd get it too.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: Muadib

Originally posted by: fanerman91
I have one (Sony SXRD). For motion flow, it has off, normal, and high. I usually leave it on either off or normal. It works but it does look creepy sometimes.

The big plus for 120hz TV's is true 24fps film without resorting to 3:2 pulldown. 120 is divisible by 24, so all the frames are shown an equal number of times. For 60hz TV's some frames are shown more than others and means the motion isn't smooth sometimes.

What do you mean by it does look creepy?

I saw it with a buddy, and he's getting a XBR with it. If I were in the market, I'd get it too.

Watching all three levels on the xx71 Samsung:

Off: arguably the best looking LCD in a given price range

Normal/Mid: clearly better, great separation (3D) and motion

High: freakish (possibly b/c it's not how we are USED TO watching TV), the actors and other real set items are great, the CGI 'pops' to the extent that it looks fake (granted it is). In essence, real things look fantastic; while 'created' items do not . . . IMO.

 

[Shawn]

can someone explain how this works? I don't understand why it would be "creepy".

 

[aphex]

Originally posted by: Shawn
can someone explain how this works? I don't understand why it would be "creepy".

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/hom...hz-solution-290237.php

 

[jpeyton]

It looks highly artificial for movies, and looks nothing viewing a movie in a theater.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
It looks highly artificial for movies, and looks nothing viewing a movie in a theater.

Animation is fantastic. Chicken Little was great on a XBR4. I bet games will be outstanding, once the developers get to work.

Any well made movie with great visuals that aren't dependent on CGI (Legends of Brad Pitt's Hair, Glory) would be outstanding at 120Mhz.

But for those of us that are Sci-Fi, Action/Adventure fans, I'm not sure it works. Real things look real, fake elements look real fake.

 

[Lurknomore]

I actually like this effect, and no, it doesn't look "video" at all.
I'll wait for a 120hz AMP lcd with rgb leds that has all the triple-ball-effect, stutter issues worked out. Kinda like an updated 81 series Sammy with 120hz, fixed AMP and from what I've heard, rgb instead of white led clusters.

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: Lurknomore
I actually like this effect, and no, it doesn't look "video" at all.
I'll wait for a 120hz AMP lcd with rgb leds that has all the triple-ball-effect, stutter issues worked out. Kinda like an updated 81 series Sammy with 120hz, fixed AMP and from what I've heard, rgb instead of white led clusters.

Can you get sprinkles with that?

 

[Shawn]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Originally posted by: jpeyton
It looks highly artificial for movies, and looks nothing viewing a movie in a theater.

Animation is fantastic. Chicken Little was great on a XBR4. I bet games will be outstanding, once the developers get to work.

Any well made movie with great visuals that aren't dependent on CGI (Legends of Brad Pitt's Hair, Glory) would be outstanding at 120Mhz.

But for those of us that are Sci-Fi, Action/Adventure fans, I'm not sure it works. Real things look real, fake elements look real fake.

Why would there be a difference between real and CGI?

 

[Exterous]

I work at a place that sells them and I have set them up for people. It seems pretty split between people who like it and people who hate it. I would strongly recommend going to see them in action before forking over the extra $. Most sets will allow you to set it to some combination of high, medium, low and off (some add a demo option as well). Also you can play around with the settings to see what you like at the store. Generally it seems to be in the 'medium' range for the people who like it

 

[pennylane]

I'd like to chime in again and say that 120hz is ALWAYS a good thing if you get a blu-ray player.

The "motion flow" interpolated frames stuff is debatable, but that is separate from 120hz. You can always turn it off.

120hz lets you play 24fps content (ie, movies) without any 3:2 pull down. Each frame is displayed 5 times with no fancy signal processing and everything is like in movie theaters. (120 is divisible by 24)

Regular 60hz TV's have to do 3:2 pulldown, some frames of a 24fps film have to be displayed more than others (or fancy telecine techniques have to be done) in order to display a 24fps source onto a 60hz TV. (60 is not divisible by 24)

 

[newnameman]

Originally posted by: fanerman91
I'd like to chime in again and say that 120hz is ALWAYS a good thing if you get a blu-ray player.

The "motion flow" interpolated frames stuff is debatable, but that is separate from 120hz. You can always turn it off.

120hz lets you play 24fps content (ie, movies) without any 3:2 pull down. Each frame is displayed 5 times with no fancy signal processing and everything is like in movie theaters. (120 is divisible by 24)

Regular 60hz TV's have to do 3:2 pulldown, some frames of a 24fps film have to be displayed more than others (or fancy telecine techniques have to be done) in order to display a 24fps source onto a 60hz TV. (60 is not divisible by 24)

But remember that many (most?) 120hz tvs aren't capable of doing 5:5 pulldown , so you're stuck with either regular 3:2 pulldown or motion flow.

 

[pennylane]

Originally posted by: newnameman

Originally posted by: fanerman91
I'd like to chime in again and say that 120hz is ALWAYS a good thing if you get a blu-ray player.

The "motion flow" interpolated frames stuff is debatable, but that is separate from 120hz. You can always turn it off.

120hz lets you play 24fps content (ie, movies) without any 3:2 pull down. Each frame is displayed 5 times with no fancy signal processing and everything is like in movie theaters. (120 is divisible by 24)

Regular 60hz TV's have to do 3:2 pulldown, some frames of a 24fps film have to be displayed more than others (or fancy telecine techniques have to be done) in order to display a 24fps source onto a 60hz TV. (60 is not divisible by 24)

But remember that many (most?) 120hz tvs aren't capable of doing 5:5 pulldown , so you're stuck with either regular 3:2 pulldown or motion flow.

I *think* some (maybe many, maybe almost all) 2007 TV's aren't capable of doing 5:5 pulldown from a 60i source. But 120hz TV's should be able to play 1080p24 sources just fine (ie, a decent blu-ray player) just fine. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[gchanjam]

I personally don't like it from what I've seen but if I were in the market, I'd get it just in case. I watched Transformers with it and the best explanation I can come up with is it looks like a very clean daytime soap opera if that makes any sense.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: newnameman

Originally posted by: fanerman91
I'd like to chime in again and say that 120hz is ALWAYS a good thing if you get a blu-ray player.

The "motion flow" interpolated frames stuff is debatable, but that is separate from 120hz. You can always turn it off.

120hz lets you play 24fps content (ie, movies) without any 3:2 pull down. Each frame is displayed 5 times with no fancy signal processing and everything is like in movie theaters. (120 is divisible by 24)

Regular 60hz TV's have to do 3:2 pulldown, some frames of a 24fps film have to be displayed more than others (or fancy telecine techniques have to be done) in order to display a 24fps source onto a 60hz TV. (60 is not divisible by 24)

But remember that many (most?) 120hz tvs aren't capable of doing 5:5 pulldown , so you're stuck with either regular 3:2 pulldown or motion flow.

Samsungs (71s and I believe 81s) and Sonys (XBR4/5) are capable of 5:5 pulldown.

 

[imported_cinder]

I hated the motion blur. It makes the blu-ray movies look almost too realistic, as dumb as that sounds. In my opinion, the director did not intend for you to see the movie so clearly that you can see the where the makeup starts and ends on an actor/actress's face. I watched transformers on a motion blur samsung and then I watched it from the same BRD player on a different non-120hz samsung and I like the one without. Keep in mind that the motion blur can be turned off, and that sometimes the tv's that have it do have extra features such as higher contrast as well. In the end, it's all about personal preference. You should just go to a big box store and compare the two and see what you yourself like better.

 

[BigJ]

I saw it on a TV in CircuitCity and it made my head swim a little bit. I just honestly did not like how it was setup on the Samsung I was watching.