Anyone see this? 'Vette Z06 bests BMW M3 and Porsche Boxter in Motor Trend's "Speed Wars"

[NFS4]

<< you push a ferrari hard for a while and you will be at the dealership before you say damnit...german engineering at its finest eh?
gotta love paying upwards to 5 grand for a tuneup on a car (never mind the parts) oh did i say great german engineering? >>




<< ferrari is italian you ignoramous. >>



ROTF! I was about to mention that Damn, I thought that everyone and their grandma knew that Ferrari was Italian

 

[bigshot]

oops well its late...

and yes the 2002 ZO6 blows away the M3...0-60mph 3.9 sec 1/4 12.4

 

[NFS4]

<< oops well its late...

and yes the 2002 ZO6 blows away the M3...0-60mph 3.9 sec 1/4 12.4 >>


And a 2003 Viper RT/10 will make the '02 Z06 its BITCH!

 

[TuffGuy]

well, now you're busting out a car that will be released in the future and wasn't even used in the comparison. how sad. i guess i'll have to bust out the next-gen v8 m3 to keep pace.

 

[lupin]

<< the reason why it's sad is because with specs alone, the corvette is supposed to BLOW AWAY pretty much anything, which it does not. >>



It does.



Trust me.

 

[RanDum72]

Actually, the 0-60 of the Z06 at 3.9seconds is just CLAIMED, not tested. It would probably be around the 4.2-4.5 range,maybe 4-4.1 with some clutch slipping.

 

[EvanPFerguson]

<< And a 2003 Viper RT/10 will make the '02 Z06 its BITCH! >>




and how much will the cost difference be?

 

[NFS4]

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<< And a 2003 Viper RT/10 will make the '02 Z06 its BITCH! >>




and how much will the cost difference be? >>


Who cares? In the battle of the top dog American sports car, the Z06 will get smoked. You can't touch 500/500 in a lighter frame

 

[SSP]

Bad comparisons. Might as well throw a Viper in the list.

 

[Linh]

<< american engineering >>



oxymoron?

 

[msbytes]

I work at a chevy dealer.we had a couple of ZO6's come in. I've driven a couple,They are really fast. But I think the rims are really ugly though.

 

[Incredulous]

<< Hmmmmm I like ferrari's better. >>



I totally agree. Let's factor out both cost of acquisition and ownership, though.



<< you push a ferrari hard for a while and you will be at the dealership before you say damnit...german engineering at its finest eh? >>



I'm sorry, but you should be beaten. Don't participate in a conversation you're not qualified to contribute to.

That said, I don't like the comparison. Each car has a different market segment. The real outcome should be: If you like this type of car, these featurs, this driving style, etc., then this car is for you. Everyone looks for something else in a car. Really, depending on what you want, each one of these cars is a quality vehicle.

-Incredulous

 

[geno]

<< Believe me, once you have heard the sound of a flat-6 engine behind your ears (and I have), you'll be convinced >>


And believe me, once you've heard an engine spin comfortably to 9000RPMs, you'll think a little differently as well And yes, Porsche's trademark flat six is a remarkable sounding engine

 

[NFS4]

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<< Believe me, once you have heard the sound of a flat-6 engine behind your ears (and I have), you'll be convinced >>


And believe me, once you've heard an engine spin comfortably to 9000RPMs, you'll think a little differently as well And yes, Porsche's trademark flat six is a remarkable sounding engine >>


As good as the S2000's 4-banger is...it's STILL a 4-banger

 

[geno]

And there's nothing wrong with that in my eyes I've seen plenty of four cylindar engines make even big V8's look silly, so I can't knock em

 

[MrBond]

<< you push a ferrari hard for a while and you will be at the dealership before you say damnit...german engineering at its finest eh? >>


Ferrari's are made in Italy, not germany. Thats BMW. I belive ferrari is the italian word for &quot;orgasm&quot; (or at least it is when I see one)

MT commented on the cheap feel of the 'vette's interior, I'd have to agree. I prefer the convertible model myself, but the Z06 isn't offered in a drop top.

 

[NFS4]

<< And there's nothing wrong with that in my eyes I've seen plenty of four cylindar engines make even big V8's look silly, so I can't knock em >>


And they have to be turbocharged to do so. Otherwise they don't have enough torque to do any damage. You have to basically drive the S2000 like you stole it in order to score any decent times with it. Otherwise the engine will bog and you'll be drug along. Hell, it's only got a pitiful 153 lb-ft of torque.

And name me one 4-banger that makes a V8 look silly. And I'm not talking about some riced up VTEC pushing 900HP b/c of quadruple turbocharging and rocket fuel. I'm talking stock engines that you get when you buy a car.

I can't really think of any serious sports cars that use a 4-banger still besides the Lancer, Impreza (although it is a flat-4), and S2000. It seems that 6's and 8's are the sweet spots for sports cars.

 

[geno]

Until you drive it, you can't knock the 153 ft-lbs of torque. The car pulls and pulls and pulls and it doesn't quit until you slam into that 9k redline. And what's with the &quot;you have to drive it like you stole it to get decent times&quot;? You have to hammer any car you take down the track to get the best time out of it! I said I have seen 4 cylindar engines make V8's (modded) look silly, if you'd like to dispute this, I'll be happy to show you a video or two



<< Otherwise the engine will bog and you'll be drug along >>


That's why you learn how to launch just like any other car, you have to find the sweet spot for launching

 

[NFS4]

<< Until you drive it, you can't knock the 153 ft-lbs of torque. The car pulls and pulls and pulls and it doesn't quit until you slam into that 9k redline. And what's with the &quot;you have to drive it like you stole it to get decent times&quot;? You have to hammer any car you take down the track to get the best time out of it! I said I have seen 4 cylindar engines make V8's (modded) look silly, if you'd like to dispute this, I'll be happy to show you a video or two >>


You don't have to drive a Corvette like you stole it to get decent times. Anyone with any sense of driving could get decent times out of a Corvette. It has enough torque to to carry you along. Same with the Viper as far as torque goes. You could leave it in 3rd all day with all that torque. Driving an S2000 anywhere but the race track is gonna be a chore for your arms and your ears from all that rowing

Like I said, show me a STOCK 4-banger that will upset a stock V8. I ain't seeing it. Maybe some modded up 4-banger like I said could beat a stock V8, but not a 4-banger straight from the manufacturer. And even if you want to go modded, you can't tell me that a modded 4-banger is gonna be able to compete with a modded V8.

 

[geno]

TRUST ME when I say the S2 isn't a tough car to drive, even Car&amp;Driver attests to that. And I never mentioned anything about stock. You knocked 4 cyl engines and all I said is that I've seen plenty that can mess up most V8's

 

[NFS4]

<< You knocked 4 cyl engines and all I said is that I've seen plenty that can mess up most V8's >>


It ain't a fair comparison unless both are stock I'm talking stock engines here. Stock 4-bangers don't have anything on 6's and 8's in total power/torque figures. And they aren't nearly as smooth. They're natually unbalanced. Japan seems to be the only place putting any stock in high output 4's anyway. Everyone else in the sports car biz is using 6's and 8's.

Now like I said, the S2000's engine is nice...but it's a beat weak on the torque side of things for me (as most 4's are).

 

[geno]

Ok, stock for stock then A 92 Daytona IROC R/T (2.2) would walk on a Mustang 5.0 and probably the F-Bodies of the time - hah! got one

 

[StageLeft]

Well M3 vs. vette is neat but a boxter S? Man that thing never had a chance.

 

[Rent]

This post is rediculous.

Genocide - we timed our buddies S2k 0-60 when he shifted at 6000rpm. It was 13 seconds. Don't go talking about the S2k like its god because it isn't. I along with NFS4 would much rather have a Boxster S than a S2k. Its a awesome car, but its not all its cracked up to be.

Regarding the topic, the comparison is absurd. A new M3 will lay the 1/4 down in 13.2-13.4. A Boxter will hit a 14 flat MAYBE. A Z06 will hit a mid to High 12. It absolutely lays waste to the other cars in performance tests. Comfort is definately not on the same page, but thats not exactly the main focus. This should have been a Z06 vs. Viper GTS vs. Cobra R article. The Vette is way out of place and in a different leauge.

 

[mAdD INDIAN]

There's more to driving a car than torque. Power is just one of the elements that comprises the fun factor of a car. And the 153lb/ft in the S2000 is nothign to sneeze at. That's a lot of torque for a roadster of that size/weight.

The S2000 is not a DOG at lower RPMs. It's just as fast as Maxima in city driving (that is until around 40mph, then the S2000 just leaves the Max in the dust). You guys see the 153lb/ft and say its slow. There's an owner on the Max boards who has a Maxima and an S2000. He says that the S2000 is fine in city driving (low-rpms). And its an absolute blast in the high-rpm range, as if he's in driving bliss.

The S2000 is close as you can get to an open-wheel sports car in terms of a street-legal car. If it had a bigger engine and more torque it wouldnt' be an S2000, it wouldn't meet Honda's goals when designing the car.

That said, I would take the S2000 instead of the Boxster for the main reason that its cheaper yet offers the same excitement. I know someone who has the original Boxster (2.5L flat-6) and a 5-spd Max could match its speed in a straight line. Now that's not saying much since the Boxster will kicks its ass in handling, but it proves that the Boxter isn't a fast car for its price.

And to the original topic, this ain't a fair comparision, you can't compare a sedan (M3) to a roadster (Boxster) to a track-ready muscle car (Z06).

I've said it before and I'll say it again, it all comes down to the driver. Its what they want. All these cars offer performance in their own different ways.