Anyone see this new Microsoft ad?

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makken

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again no, the site is complaining about artificially restricted interaction, and kinnect is restricted by not having precision and tactile feedback leading to unnatural usage.

playing air guitar violin for example, about the most stupid way you could try to play an instrument.

Windows weekly also had a rant on this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uONwxN9uisc

And what would you suggest instead?

Kinect may not be the perfect solution, but its a step in the right direction away from interacting via sliding a single finger (or 2) over a flat surface.

How would you suggest we play a virtual instrument? Sliding a finger around a 2D picture of said instrument? Because that's less restrictive than being able to use your full body to minic motions that you would use when playing a real version of said instrument?
 
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And what would you suggest instead?

Kinect may not be the perfect solution, but its a step in the right direction away from interacting via sliding a single finger (or 2) over a flat surface.

How would you suggest we play a virtual instrument? Sliding a finger around a 2D picture of said instrument? Because that's less restrictive than being able to use your full body to minic motions that you would use when playing a real version of said instrument?

You don't use a virtual instrument. That's a retarded method of learning.
 

0roo0roo

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And what would you suggest instead?

Kinect may not be the perfect solution, but its a step in the right direction away from interacting via sliding a single finger (or 2) over a flat surface.

How would you suggest we play a virtual instrument? Sliding a finger around a 2D picture of said instrument? Because that's less restrictive than being able to use your full body to minic motions that you would use when playing a real version of said instrument?

you are fixated on comparing kinnect to touch screens, no one is talking about that, those are BOTH poor interfaces for things like instruments. and no, its not a step in the right direction for many things, typing in mid air is inferior to even typing on an ipad. Its not that hard to figure that one out right? It is only a good interface for a very narrow set of things out there, most things don't work well with vague gesture control.

they should have used real world examples, show stuff people are actually hacking/developing for the kinnect, that would have given credibility to the entire project and its possibilities rather than leaving you with the feeling they are as ever...full of shit.

the marketing department of ms has been full of fail for a long time, they have a habit of achieving fail from win.
Did you enjoy your windows 7 launch party?
24sep09_mshpeng.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cX4t5-YpHQ

Its pretty clear the folks in their marketing department have immunity from being fired.
 
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LordMorpheus

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Ok, they don't show the really cool stuff in their video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XejNctt2Fcs

This stuff is amazing.

Larger example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm1JuukxhLQ

Basically these are the same algorithms we've been using for a decade but with a high-resolution RGB-D camera like the kinect we get amazing results. Shit's pretty cool. Too bad it's range-limited and doesn't work too well in sunlight, or we could use it to replace sensors with 6-figure price tags on our autonomous car.

I think this is a flythrough of that last map but it could be a map of somewhere else:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gu5Ywwb4RaU&feature=related
 
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makken

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you are fixated on comparing kinnect to touch screens, no one is talking about that, those are BOTH poor interfaces for things like instruments. and no, its not a step in the right direction for many things, typing in mid air is inferior to even typing on an ipad. Its not that hard to figure that one out right? It is only a good interface for a very narrow set of things out there, most things don't work well with vague gesture control.

they should have used real world examples, show stuff people are actually hacking/developing for the kinnect, that would have given credibility to the entire project and its possibilities rather than leaving you with the feeling they are as ever...full of shit.

the marketing department of ms has been full of fail for a long time, they have a habit of achieving fail from win.
Did you enjoy your windows 7 launch party?
24sep09_mshpeng.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cX4t5-YpHQ

Its pretty clear the folks in their marketing department have immunity from being fired.

Because the article linked was a rant on how microsoft lacked vision because they're envisioning a future still bound by the limitations of a touchscreen. Yet here we have kinect that currently gets around 2 of the 3 issues that the article was going off on about touchscreens, with the potential to address the 3rd.

and why would you type in midair? you do know kinect has a (multiple actually) microphone for voice commands, so any text entry on it will most likely be via voice.

You don't use a virtual instrument. That's a retarded method of learning.

well obviously if you have a real instrument you would use that over a virtual one. But if I don't have one, then I want a way of manipulating a virtual one as similarly to a real one as possible.
 

0roo0roo

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You are entirely missing the point of the article, which was not about touch screens, but understanding the limitations of interfaces

Why would i use the example of typing in mid air, its as absurd as their example of playing an instrument. There are things it can do better than any other controller, say in the dance games, but trying to cram motion interface into everything else where it doesn't belong is just misguided. Voice control is fine, but frankly that isn't what they are demoing.