Anyone noticed video card prices are going up ?

[Charlie22911]

Of course it will show scalper pricing in that. But if you look at when Bitcoin jumped in price beginning in May, you see the pricing of the video card follow. Scalpers really only affect the pricing of mass produced items like new consoles and components for around the first 6 months. After that, supply catches up with demand (unless it is a limited production item like the NES Classic).

https://www.coindesk.com/price/

The crypto currency boom has had more effect than any other issue, including higher RAM prices. I've been buying video cards since the mid 90's (including previous RAM price hikes), and I have never seen this type of thing before all the various coins became profitable.

Like I said, we just have to agree to disagree on this one.

I don't outright disagree with you, the charts I linked even show a spike around the same time as the crypto boom. I am just trying to express that correlation != causation as some say; it is more nuanced than that.

I see posts talking about how graphics cards have doubled in price, referencing third party sellers almost exclusively. It is clear that third parties are scalping, just look at NewEgg vs NewEgg Market Place price history for a 1070.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/fKp323/msi-geforce-gtx-1070-8gb-video-card-gtx-1070-gaming-x-8g

My advice to prospective buyers are to be patient, and be ready to jump on stock as it arrives.

EDIT: Ironically, that 1070 I linked is in stock at NewEgg right now for $474, or $454 after rebate.

 

[EXCellR8]

it's not so much waiting for stock... but waiting for stock that isn't obscenely priced.

 

[UsandThem]

Stock is even bad right now. The 'NowInStock' stock tracker now looks much like it did when AMD and Nvidia launched their new cards. Even a lot of cards like the GTX 1080 are out of stock.

https://www.nowinstock.net/computers/videocards/amd/rx580/

https://www.nowinstock.net/computers/videocards/nvidia/gtx1070/

https://www.nowinstock.net/computers/videocards/nvidia/gtx1060/

There are a few available (the GTX 1060 is mostly the 3GB versions), but yeah you pay for the few remaining ones.

 

[BarkingGhostar]

Even a "lowly" GTX1050ti 4GB card, I bought two six or so months ago for $119.99 on sale on ebay from Newegg, and now, they're $160-200. Crazy!

I spwnt a good bit of yesterday and today looking for a deal on a 1050/4GB or 560/4GB card but nothing for less than $150, and that was the card offering the worse reviews. I feel like I have to spend twice that and then cryptomine to get my money back.

 

[Shamrock]

The R9 290 has freesync.

Not mine. Go here: http://www.sapphiretech.com/catapage_pd.asp?cataid=75&lang=eng

They have the Tri-x OC and the Tri-x OC (New edition). Even though the old edition has it on the page, it is not on my box, my manual, or turning on for me.

 

[JimKiler]

My new RX 580 which I have only had installed for 3 weeks has developed a ticking noise in one of the fans. I can actually exchange it at Newegg since they extended their holiday return policy until the end of January, but they are out of stock of my card, and pretty much most RX 580 cards. The few they have remaining are over $100 more than I paid for mine. Even the GTX 1060 cards are significantly more expensive than they were the last few weeks.

I guess I can always RMA with MSI, but I have to pay for shipping to them (Shoprunner pays for shipping to Newegg), but they probably don't have many units available for replacement, so I could be without the card for a while.

Dang crypto currency bubble needs to pop, like yesterday.

Is that the RX 580 8GB Gaming for $205 from slickdeals? If so that was the best GPU deal this season.

 

[UsandThem]

Is that the RX 580 8GB Gaming for $205 from slickdeals? If so that was the best GPU deal this season.

It was one I actually posted here. I was up late when Newegg sent out their promotional email. The card was $230, but they had a MasterPass discount code, so I got it for $205. It sold out pretty quickly.

Hopefully Newegg has some in stock when they get my current card back. It definitely has a bad fan bearing that ticks, and drives me nuts.

 

[VirtualLarry]

I just ordered a 1070ti. There were a bunch of new MSI cards, and a few XFX RX 580 cards, all for "roughly MSRP" (or only slightly elevated, as opposed to "ebay price gouged").

It will be, quite possibly my single most expensive tech item purchase EVER. But it should pay for itself in four months of mining.

 

[frowertr]

I bought eight Asus Rog 1070Ti last month from Amazon for about $490.00 each. Stock seems to come and go.

 

[UsandThem]

I just ordered a 1070ti. There were a bunch of new MSI cards, and a few XFX RX 580 cards, all for "roughly MSRP" (or only slightly elevated, as opposed to "ebay price gouged").

It will be, quite possibly my single most expensive tech item purchase EVER. But it should pay for itself in four months of mining.

I'm in the same boat. I always thought I would never ever spend more than $300 for a video card, but since my RX 580 had issues, I had to send it back to Newegg to be replaced, and they don't have it in stock. All of their RX 580s are way overpriced.

So I ordered a GTX 1070, which I paid extra for to receive it today (but it's not showing up in Fedex's tracking system). As long a there are no issues with the 1070, I don't have to worry about the over MSRP prices and stock availability for many years. When I finally do get the replacement RX 580 back, I'll just sell it.

 

[cbn]

Even GT 1030 is up $10.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Even GT 1030 is up $10.

Well, they say Pascal is good for mining... LOL.

I think even older lower-level GCN cards are going to see potential price increases.

I wonder if those Zotac GT 730 1GB 64-bit GDDR5 can mine? Are there coins that you can mine with only 1GB of VRAM on a GPU? Most I know of require at least 2GB.

I'm trying to fire up a box with a pair of 260X 2GB GDDR5 cards, and it keeps rebooting during the NiceHash benchmarking phase, before I get to the actual mining.

(I set the WattMan settings to the lowest possible power settings, -20% on each card. And it's still crashing. )

 

[Charlie22911]

I don’t think even 2GB VRAM is enough. I still have 3x 2GB MSI Lightning 6970s that are pretty much useless at doing anything, mining or otherwise.

 

[Shmee]

Not mine. Go here: http://www.sapphiretech.com/catapage_pd.asp?cataid=75&lang=eng

They have the Tri-x OC and the Tri-x OC (New edition). Even though the old edition has it on the page, it is not on my box, my manual, or turning on for me.

You may need to upgrade your drivers, what version are you running on your 290? Any 290 should support freesync, so long as the monitor, videocard firmware, and drivers/OS support it.

Some people here may be able to help, after all, a 580 is more of a side grade to a 290 as long as it has a good cooler.

As for mining, it depends what you mine, but most AMD cards should be GCN 1.0+ with 3GB+ RAM. This makes the 7950/7970 still acceptable for mining. 69x0 cards are pre GCN.

As for the whole crypto thing, I don't think it is going to "pop" anytime soon, but then I would love to see GPUs at a decent price. Keep in mind though, mining isn't the only factor here as mentioned. We need new designs, better performance, and hopefully more competition and supply.

 

[tential]

You may need to upgrade your drivers, what version are you running on your 290? Any 290 should support freesync, so long as the monitor, videocard firmware, and drivers/OS support it.

Some people here may be able to help, after all, a 580 is more of a side grade to a 290 as long as it has a good cooler.

As for mining, it depends what you mine, but most AMD cards should be GCN 1.0+ with 3GB+ RAM. This makes the 7950/7970 still acceptable for mining. 69x0 cards are pre GCN.

As for the whole crypto thing, I don't think it is going to "pop" anytime soon, but then I would love to see GPUs at a decent price. Keep in mind though, mining isn't the only factor here as mentioned. We need new designs, better performance, and hopefully more competition and supply.

Things aren't going to get better/cheaper. It's just the new state of things and we need to accept it. GPUs are going to cost more, but because we can get more out of them, if we choose to do so. No GPU is that expensive if you mine currently on the offtime. It's getting yourself together to do that.

We can complain all we want about high prices, but really, you could get a card like a 1080ti, mine for a couple months and end up paying net $500 or less. Not bad for a 1080ti level of performance.

For those who take advantage of it, crypto has probably only made things better.

 

[Shmee]

Ya, that is the way I see it right now. Realistically, if you are smart, you will mine and trade efficiently, and hold. You could actually make thousands.

I was hoping though that with new process production ramped up, and manufacturers noticing the increased demand, supply would eventually overcome demand again, and prices would go down. Or do you not think supply will ever catch up, at least in the near future? I guess that is the big question when it comes to GPU prices. Time will tell.

 

[tential]

Ya, that is the way I see it right now. Realistically, if you are smart, you will mine and trade efficiently, and hold. You could actually make thousands.

I was hoping though that with new process production ramped up, and manufacturers noticing the increased demand, supply would eventually overcome demand again, and prices would go down. Or do you not think supply will ever catch up, at least in the near future? I guess that is the big question when it comes to GPU prices. Time will tell.

It's very hard for people to go backwards. Once we start paying higher prices, it's hard to go back.

I can't of course with full certainty tell you where prices will equilibrium at, but I can tell you that no one in business likes posting a numbers worse than the previous quarter. I expect prices to keep creeping upwards for uppermidrange/high end (1070 class and higher).

Also, this next class of 1070/1080 chips coming from Nvidia will be the least contested chips we've ever seen released. They will definitely carry a price premium to go along with it.

You can get acceptable performance including a monitor in a 580/freesync monitor for pretty cheap still though and I don't expect that entry level of great performance to change. It's the performance above that that has been going up in pricing

 

[Mopetar]

I wonder if things get bad enough that the most economical approach to mining will be to hack the new Xbox or PlayStation to use their GPUs because it ends up being cheaper than trying to buy stand alone cards at vastly inflated prices.

That’s a bit facetious, but I do remember people buying the PS3 when it came out to use as part of a compute farm. It seems silly, but the Cell CPU was a cheap multi core (8 I think) CPU in a time when Intel and AMD were just starting to release two core CPUs.

 

[Headfoot]

I actually looked into that very topic - the primary problem (at least for Xbox) is that the low-oversight "Apps" have very limited resources wrt GPU access. If you want full GPU access it needs to be a "Game" and that has to be approved by Microsoft after review by a human. Which I very much doubt would approve a mining app. On Playstation I havent dug but I'm sure there is a human review step there too which would frown upon a mining app. I think that means the only way to really do it would be to crack / sideload something on it which is a whole different kettle of fish.

Theoretically on Xbox you could pay the developer fee to convert a COTS console into a dev box and mine on it, but you can only have X number of dev boxes (3 I think?) which means there wouldnt be much profit in it compared to just buying up some more 570/580's

 

[tential]

Who said microsoft wouldn't approve a mining game? How does that hurt them? More Xbox One Xs sold!

You won't know until you submit your ethereum unlimited game. Think of all the money you could make helping people mine ethereum selling them your game.

 

[SPBHM]

MS/Sony would not want mining on their platforms, they want to sell games and live/psn subscriptions.

 

[Paratus]

Video Card prices going up?

Hadn’t noticed. I thought the $699 for a Red Devil Vega 56 I just payed was a great deal!

It was $10 less expensive than anrefrence blower at Best Buy!

Of course it was only in stock for 18 minutes and refrence cards were going for $399 for a few weeks back in Nov.

But no I hadn’t noticed.

 

[paperfist]

Crypto, as a whole, just needs to go away. Aside from completely screwing the hardware market there's gobs of illegal markets, trade and scams that are funded with digital currencies. And, to top it all off, we have the waste of resources and dedicated processing power that could be used for much more beneficial goals.

Anyway yes, there's never been a worse time to buy a GPU like, ever. Unfortunately, the price of DDR4 is still high and therefore any of the reasonably priced Ryzen and/or C-Lake hardware is basically void because of it.

I don't know anything about mining but I'm going to research it. That said anything that helps to push PC gaming back to the forefront is okay by me.

 

[Headfoot]

Who said microsoft wouldn't approve a mining game? How does that hurt them? More Xbox One Xs sold!

You won't know until you submit your ethereum unlimited game. Think of all the money you could make helping people mine ethereum selling them your game.

It's true, even a small chance of approval provided a small dev fee on the miner would be extraordinarily lucrative given the Xbox install base.... very tempting to attempt it

 

[Shamrock]

You may need to upgrade your drivers, what version are you running on your 290? Any 290 should support freesync, so long as the monitor, videocard firmware, and drivers/OS support it.

Some people here may be able to help, after all, a 580 is more of a side grade to a 290 as long as it has a good cooler.

As for mining, it depends what you mine, but most AMD cards should be GCN 1.0+ with 3GB+ RAM. This makes the 7950/7970 still acceptable for mining. 69x0 cards are pre GCN.

As for the whole crypto thing, I don't think it is going to "pop" anytime soon, but then I would love to see GPUs at a decent price. Keep in mind though, mining isn't the only factor here as mentioned. We need new designs, better performance, and hopefully more competition and supply.

Nope. I used 17.11.2, 17.12.1, and 17.12.2. On the Adrenalin drivers, it would be available to "tick" freesync, but wouldn't turn on. On the Crimson drivers, it was grayed out. I even went to device manager and had to turn it on that way. Yes, it would turn on, but there was no 144hz, it would stay at 60Hz. I could tell because I would get sick in a matter of minutes.

But no matter, my new MSI Rx580 is far from a side grade. I am getting 10-15 fps more, and now I use max AA/AF settings. With the R9 290 I couldn't take it more than 4xAA/8xAF. It was also an oven.