Anyone not like any of the candidates ?

[Modelworks]

Maybe its just me, but I'm not clicking with any of the candidates.
I've listened to what they each have had to say, and they really aren't saying anything that makes me want to jump up and say "You got my vote !"

Maybe I'm just tired of politicians in general.

Am I alone ? or do others feel this way ?

 

[reeserock]

No. I actually like several of them this time around. All of them have their flaws, but this time I would actually be okay with more than just my top choice.

 

[FoBoT]

i only don't want clinton/edwards/huckabee/mccain to win
i don't agree with obama on 95% of the issues, so i'd prefer he isn't elected, but then illegal immigration and social security and most "issues" won't be fixed by anyone anyway

 

[Pabster]

There's only 2 I like, and 1 is going nowhere.

I feel your pain. We've got a shitty crop this cycle...again.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
i only don't want clinton/edwards/huckabee/mccain to win
i don't agree with obama on 95% of the issues, so i'd prefer he isn't elected, but then illegal immigration and social security and most "issues" won't be fixed by anyone anyway

Eeeeeyup. Have any of these candidates offered to solve any of the problems facing the nation's economy and the lower and middle classes? Have any of them pledged to:

Dramatically reduce legal immigration and eliminate illegal immigration while forcibly deporting all of the illegals?

End the nation's trade deficit, foreign outsourcing, and its problems with global labor arbitrage?

Find a way to convince women not to have more children than they can afford to take care of?

Nope. Not one of them will do anything substantial about the nation's fundamental economic problems. They've promised to fix the nation's health care symptoms without addressing any of the diseases that cause the problems. They say they want to take on national and global environmental issues without even acknowledging the issue of population explosion nor promoting negative world population growth.

 

[daniel1113]

I felt the same way... then I found Ron Paul.

 

[hellokeith]

There's only 1 candidate I really like, but I don't think he'll get the nomination.

 

[woodie1]

I find none of the people looking to sit in the Oval Office next worth my time. Looks like another election where I vote for the least objectionable.

 

[redgtxdi]

Ya, and things suck moreso now than ever.


We are simply not going to get someone who will say..........

1.) I'm gonna bring the troops home

2.) I'm gonna make sure we spend less than we bring in

3.) I'm gonna deport illegal aliens

4.) I'm gonna seal up the borders & get serious about defending 'em

5.) I'm gonna fix all this date-rape insurance crap

6.) I'm gonna clean house in our legal world. This country's got way too many friggin' lawyers & we need to reduce our reasons to have 'em in the first place!

I could go on & on, but you get the gist. It's all about cliche's, platitudes and heaps & heaps of bullsh!t.

Besides.......it doesn't matter. None of 'em are gonna do what they say anyway.

 

[nageov3t]

I'd be more than happy voting for Clinton, Obama, or McCain.

the only candidate I really hate is Edwards.

 

[palehorse]

I really like Obama, and McCain is halfway decent.

Beyond them, the rest of the field is absolutely pitiful.

 

[theeedude]

I like Obama as a personality, but I can use my brain when voting, and not just be emo about it and just vote for the guy I'd want to have beer with like the idiots who voted for Bush.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: senseamp
I like Obama as a personality, but I can use my brain when voting, and not just be emo about it and just vote for the guy I'd want to have beer with like the idiots who voted for Bush.

Does having integrity, having your own opinion, or being human, matter to you? If so, then Obama is the only choice.

If not, wellll, then... enjoy the Clintonian Puppet Show!

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: senseamp
I like Obama as a personality, but I can use my brain when voting, and not just be emo about it and just vote for the guy I'd want to have beer with like the idiots who voted for Bush.

Does having integrity, having your own opinion, or being human, matter to you? If so, then Obama is the only choice.

If not, wellll, then... enjoy the Clintonian Puppet Show!

Hillary has her own opinions held for long before she met Bill. She is no spring chicken.
The FDRs, Harry Trumans, and JFK's of the world were hard boiled tenacious mofos not above throwing some below the belt punches to get their way. Of course with current emo media, their integrity would be questioned, and their flaws sensationalized, but they did good things. So did Bill Clinton, he ran this country well, even surely he was no saint. It's the issues, stupid.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: senseamp
I like Obama as a personality, but I can use my brain when voting, and not just be emo about it and just vote for the guy I'd want to have beer with like the idiots who voted for Bush.

Does having integrity, having your own opinion, or being human, matter to you? If so, then Obama is the only choice.

If not, wellll, then... enjoy the Clintonian Puppet Show!

Hillary has her own opinions held for long before she met Bill. She is no spring chicken.
The FDRs, Harry Trumans, and JFK's of the world were hard boiled tenacious mofos not above throwing some below the belt punches to get their way. Of course with current emo media, their integrity would be questioned, and their flaws sensationalized, but they did good things. So did Bill Clinton, he ran this country well, even surely he was no saint. It's the issues, stupid.

The issues?! Exactly which side of those is Hillary on... today?

Or, must she wait for the morning polls to come in before she decides?

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: daniel1113
I felt the same way... then I found Ron Paul.

:thumbsup:

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: senseamp
I like Obama as a personality, but I can use my brain when voting, and not just be emo about it and just vote for the guy I'd want to have beer with like the idiots who voted for Bush.

Does having integrity, having your own opinion, or being human, matter to you? If so, then Obama is the only choice.

If not, wellll, then... enjoy the Clintonian Puppet Show!

Hillary has her own opinions held for long before she met Bill. She is no spring chicken.
The FDRs, Harry Trumans, and JFK's of the world were hard boiled tenacious mofos not above throwing some below the belt punches to get their way. Of course with current emo media, their integrity would be questioned, and their flaws sensationalized, but they did good things. So did Bill Clinton, he ran this country well, even surely he was no saint. It's the issues, stupid.

The issues?! Exactly which side of those is Hillary on... today?

Or, must she wait for the morning polls to come in before she decides?

Morning polls were telling her she was going to lose by 15% today She obviously didn't wait for those.
Hillary Clinton has CONSISTENTLY fought to expand healthcare in this country. From 1993 to SCHIP to her current campaign. It has not changed at all. That is my #1 issue by far, so I am satisfied with both her stance and track record on it.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: daniel1113
I felt the same way... then I found Ron Paul.

:thumbsup:

How'd he do tonight anyways? First? Second? I missed it...

Do tell!

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: senseamp
I like Obama as a personality, but I can use my brain when voting, and not just be emo about it and just vote for the guy I'd want to have beer with like the idiots who voted for Bush.

Does having integrity, having your own opinion, or being human, matter to you? If so, then Obama is the only choice.

If not, wellll, then... enjoy the Clintonian Puppet Show!

Hillary has her own opinions held for long before she met Bill. She is no spring chicken.
The FDRs, Harry Trumans, and JFK's of the world were hard boiled tenacious mofos not above throwing some below the belt punches to get their way. Of course with current emo media, their integrity would be questioned, and their flaws sensationalized, but they did good things. So did Bill Clinton, he ran this country well, even surely he was no saint. It's the issues, stupid.

The issues?! Exactly which side of those is Hillary on... today?

Or, must she wait for the morning polls to come in before she decides?

Morning polls were telling her she was going to lose by 15% today She obviously didn't wait for those.
Hillary Clinton has CONSISTENTLY fought to expand healthcare in this country. From 1993 to SCHIP to her current campaign. It has not changed at all. That is my #1 issue by far, so I am satisfied with both her stance and track record on it.

So you're a single-issue voter, and UHC is your "thing"?

bah... nevermind then.

/dismissed

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: senseamp
I like Obama as a personality, but I can use my brain when voting, and not just be emo about it and just vote for the guy I'd want to have beer with like the idiots who voted for Bush.

Does having integrity, having your own opinion, or being human, matter to you? If so, then Obama is the only choice.

If not, wellll, then... enjoy the Clintonian Puppet Show!

Hillary has her own opinions held for long before she met Bill. She is no spring chicken.
The FDRs, Harry Trumans, and JFK's of the world were hard boiled tenacious mofos not above throwing some below the belt punches to get their way. Of course with current emo media, their integrity would be questioned, and their flaws sensationalized, but they did good things. So did Bill Clinton, he ran this country well, even surely he was no saint. It's the issues, stupid.

The issues?! Exactly which side of those is Hillary on... today?

Or, must she wait for the morning polls to come in before she decides?

Morning polls were telling her she was going to lose by 15% today She obviously didn't wait for those.
Hillary Clinton has CONSISTENTLY fought to expand healthcare in this country. From 1993 to SCHIP to her current campaign. It has not changed at all. That is my #1 issue by far, so I am satisfied with both her stance and track record on it.

So you're a single-issue voter, and UHC is your "thing"?

bah... nevermind then.

/dismissed

I am a single issue voter, no doubt about it. I want that one issue done once and for all. If Hillary does nothing else and accomplishes nothing aside from finally providing health coverage to everyone, she will be a huge success in my book. It's that important for this country.

 

[theeedude]

If you don't understand why healthcare is #1 issue, we lost 3000 Americans in 9/11 and similar number in Iraq, but we lose 100K Americans due to not having access to timely and effective health care.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/...7/AR2008010702943.html

A separate study by researchers at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine provided further evidence that the United States often falls short on health outcomes despite spending more per capita on health care than any other country. That research, also published today in Health Affairs, found that the United States ranked worst among 19 countries in the number of deaths that could have been prevented through better access to timely and effective health care.

Had the United States performed as well as the top three countries -- France, Japan and Australia -- it would have seen about 101,000 fewer deaths per year from conditions such as hypertension, appendicitis, tuberculosis, and colon and cervical cancers.

Simply getting our system on par with France, which spends a lot less money than we do, would have save in excess of 100000 lives, an order of magnitude more than Iraq and 9/11 combined, and those were one time events, while the healthcare mess is an ongoing nightmare in this country for tens of millions of people. That's why I keep things in perspective and focus on the most important issue for this country to address by far.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: senseamp
I am a single issue voter, no doubt about it. I want that one issue done once and for all. If Hillary does nothing else and accomplishes nothing aside from finally providing health coverage to everyone, she will be a huge success in my book. It's that important for this country.

It really is dumb to think that giving the federal government even more control over health care is a good thing. Sorry, I don't mean to call you dumb, it's just the idea is dumb. Anyone can see the biggest problems with health care stem from the government having their hands in it too much already. That and inflation. I saw the other day that gold has gone up just as much as oil. I bet the same is true with health care costs.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: senseamp
I am a single issue voter, no doubt about it. I want that one issue done once and for all. If Hillary does nothing else and accomplishes nothing aside from finally providing health coverage to everyone, she will be a huge success in my book. It's that important for this country.

It really is dumb to think that giving the federal government even more control over health care is a good thing. Sorry, I don't mean to call you dumb, it's just the idea is dumb. Anyone can see the biggest problems with health care stem from the government having their hands in it too much already. That and inflation. I saw the other day that gold has gone up just as much as oil. I bet the same is true with health care costs.

It's even dumber to think that giving control over healthcare to corporations whose fiduciary responsibility is to maximize shareholder profits is a good idea. It is their duty to deny as much care as they can get away with, because their goal, as it should be for any corporation, is to maximize profit for shareholders.

 

[CycloWizard]

I don't think I could vote for any of them. I haven't paid particularly close attention since I can't vote in the primary anyway (registered independent), but it seems like politics as usual from everything I've heard/read.

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
Eeeeeyup. Have any of these candidates offered to solve any of the problems facing the nation's economy and the lower and middle classes? Have any of them pledged to:

Dramatically reduce legal immigration and eliminate illegal immigration while forcibly deporting all of the illegals?

End the nation's trade deficit, foreign outsourcing, and its problems with global labor arbitrage?

Find a way to convince women not to have more children than they can afford to take care of?

Nope. Not one of them will do anything substantial about the nation's fundamental economic problems. They've promised to fix the nation's health care symptoms without addressing any of the diseases that cause the problems. They say they want to take on national and global environmental issues without even acknowledging the issue of population explosion nor promoting negative world population growth.

This is the problem with the USA today. People expect a president to do the job of the legislature. Further, you think that the government controls the economy, which is false. The government regulates the economy, while the people control it within those constraints. Adding more constraints to a problem always leads to an equally or less optimal solution as anyone with even a basic background in optimization theory can tell you. I'm not trying to call you out, it's just that your post captures all of these things conveniently.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: senseamp
I am a single issue voter, no doubt about it. I want that one issue done once and for all. If Hillary does nothing else and accomplishes nothing aside from finally providing health coverage to everyone, she will be a huge success in my book. It's that important for this country.

It really is dumb to think that giving the federal government even more control over health care is a good thing. Sorry, I don't mean to call you dumb, it's just the idea is dumb. Anyone can see the biggest problems with health care stem from the government having their hands in it too much already. That and inflation. I saw the other day that gold has gone up just as much as oil. I bet the same is true with health care costs.

It's even dumber to think that giving control over healthcare to corporations whose fiduciary responsibility is to maximize shareholder profits is a good idea. It is their duty to deny as much care as they can get away with, because their goal, as it should be for any corporation, is to maximize profit for shareholders.

Can you tell me why Canadian drugs are not allowed in the USA?