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Anyone listening to the Serial Podcast?

JimKiler

JimKiler

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Anyone listening to the new Serial podcast from the people who make This American Life?

I have listened to the first two episodes so far and I was hooked after the first. I would like to discuss if people think Adnan is guilty or innocent but please only chime in if you do not know the outcome. I presume the information is available on the web somewhere but lets leave the discussion based on what the podcast tells us so far.

I am leaning towards him being guilty but the promos for this podcast said there are many twists and turns so they might be steering me this way on purpose.
 
Yes. Avid listener.

Man, when you hear Jay say what happened, I believe him.

However, if Hay was throwing Don in Adnan's face, maybe he just snapped. OK, maybe not snapped since all of it sounded planned.

They should have had an episode right away that explained why Jay testified against him. I think they are holding it back because you would quickly realize Adnan is guilty.

And Adnan lying about telling the cop he asked for a ride? That right there makes me think he is guilty.
 
Rage187 said:
Yes. Avid listener.

Man, when you hear Jay say what happened, I believe him.

However, if Hay was throwing Don in Adnan's face, maybe he just snapped. OK, maybe not snapped since all of it sounded planned.

They should have had an episode right away that explained why Jay testified against him. I think they are holding it back because you would quickly realize Adnan is guilty.

And Adnan lying about telling the cop he asked for a ride? That right there makes me think he is guilty.
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I am not sure i believe Jay because the host said the case was all speculative evidence. If he put her body in the trunk wouldn't they have found some DNA or fibers from her clothes? Obviously these kind of questions have yet to be addressed by the podcast. Did Jay confess before or after the body was found. Seems like the police could corroborate Jay's story.

I got my wife and coworker hooked on this podcast and This American Life. Too bad TAL was repeating the first episode of Serial this week.
 
Jay knows too much. And like you said, it has been backed up by evidence. Now, could the police have given Jay the info and then had him confess? I don't think so, he would have stumbled on some of the facts during the recording and he doesn't. In fact, he elaborates too well for that to have been fed to him.

And back to what the reporter said, anyone who can kill and feel no remorse is that same type of person that can appear and sound innocent.

I don't believe the whole "he tarnished his religion and honor and she dumped him." argument. But it sounds like Haymen was leading Adnan on by still texting him and saying she loved him. Adnan may have finally snapped and decided to kill her.

I was mad the first episode was almost a hour and the 2nd episode was only 37 minutes.


Also, if you listen to these podcasts, check out Snap Judgement podcast. So good. TAL has featured some of their stories but I tend to like them better. If anything, listen to all the Halloween episodes. Scary as hell. The Live episodes can be skipped until you need more Snap Judgement.
 
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Rage187 said:
Jay knows too much. And like you said, it has been backed up by evidence. Now, could the police have given Jay the info and then had him confess? I don't think so, he would have stumbled on some of the facts during the recording and he doesn't. In fact, he elaborates too well for that to have been fed to him.

And back to what the reporter said, anyone who can kill and feel no remorse is that same type of person that can appear and sound innocent.

I don't believe the whole "he tarnished his religion and honor and she dumped him." argument. But it sounds like Haymen was leading Adnan on by still texting him and saying she loved him. Adnan may have finally snapped and decided to kill her.

I was mad the first episode was almost a hour and the 2nd episode was only 37 minutes.


Also, if you listen to these podcasts, check out Snap Judgement podcast. So good. TAL has featured some of their stories but I tend to like them better. If anything, listen to all the Halloween episodes. Scary as hell. The Live episodes can be skipped until you need more Snap Judgement.
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I tried SnapJudgement but after 3 episodes i stopped listening. I will have to give the halloween episodes a try.
 
Just caught up. The first episode was really interesting, but the last two didn't hold my attention as much, short.

It's really up in the air for me on who did it, but it does make you think about how hard it really is to say what you did and when on a specific day. And that only gets worse as time passes.
 
Oh yeah. Yup.

The testimony of Jay is pretty damning.

Haven't listened to the newest yet. Will do so soon to find out.
 
desura said:
Oh yeah. Yup.

The testimony of Jay is pretty damning.

Haven't listened to the newest yet. Will do so soon to find out.
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Listen to today's show. Jay's story is not fully accurate. So either Jay or Adnan is guilty and one of them is a liar.

It does seem crazy Adnan would murder Hey in the Best Buy parking lot during the day. That seems crazy, unless this was not premeditated and Adnan lost his temper.

This is definitely not a black and white case.
 
Season 1 seems to be winding down. I still like it and it's a well told story. This week they are asking for donations to fund Season 2. I'd probably contribute just to get podcasts of this quality again.

Though I don't know if it will work to tell a similar story every season.
 
Just listened to the last episode.

I wish, in retrospect, they could have known the popularity of the show and made the season longer and more carefully paced. That is not an indictment of the show - I just think it might have benefitted had Sarah K been able to assemble all the information, investigate, produce the content, then package it into episodes. The last few were a little anticlimactic.

My sense, overall, is that Adnan is probably guilty but that there was not enough evidence to find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. I don't find the idea of a serial killer or other third party persuasive, since it is clear Jay was significantly involved in the killing or, at a minimum, the efforts to cover it up. To me the likeliest scenario is that Jay and Adnan did it together, though the actual division of labor is unclear.
 
I just finished listening to it over Christmas break. Adnan probably killed Hae, but the case against him was pretty weak. He would be out free now if he had a smarter lawyer who did a better job at stirring up reasonable doubt.
 
KB said:
I thought twelves episodes was too many. Anything after episode 5 was less about the case and more about review.

Jay did an interview recently and better explains why his story had falsehoods in it, and why he helped adnan bury the body.

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/...lds-star-witness-adnan-syed-serial-case-pt-1/
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Thanks for the link. It is nice to put a face on Jay as well. I still think Adnan is guilty and all the inconsistencies muddy the water but Adnan is still guilty.
 
I read that article yesterday.

I went to Adnan was guilty when I started the show.
To not guilty midway through.
To guilty but they didn't have enough evidence.

The article moved me back to straight up guilty for Adnan.
 
Rage187 said:
I read that article yesterday.

I went to Adnan was guilty when I started the show.
To not guilty midway through.
To guilty but they didn't have enough evidence.

The article moved me back to straight up guilty for Adnan.
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Jay's interview moved me from leaning toward Adnan's guilt back to having no idea. His latest version of the story doesn't make any sense, because Adnan doesn't have Jay help shuffling the cars at all. That was the only logical reason for bringing a witness in - to help get both cars to Leakin Park and the Park & Ride. In Jay's new story Adnan would have had to drop Hae's car off near Leakin Park, then get back to the Best Buy to pick his car up by himself. He could have walked or I assume there is public transportation that might help, but then why is Jay involved? Because he's the only source of shovels in Baltimore?
 
Went through episode 11 today on the drive home, I'm fairly convinced Adnan didn't do it. Fairly sure Jay was involved, and may have even done it for whatever reason, after all, he was the one who knew where Hae's car was, so he had to be at least tangentially involved. No way would I have convicted if I was on the jury, there was no actual physical evidence, and the entire case was based on some sketchy accounts, Jay's mostly. Also, with the two witnesses in episode 11 stating that they were with Hae until 3 or so, the entire timeline presented in the case is shot to shit and Jay's story no longer holds water (shocking)
 
The only real evidence that Jay knows anything is that Jay knew and lead police to Hae's car. Without that his story has zero weight.

I guess the other issue is who has a motive? Adnan does have a motive, a debatable one, but still a motive. It may well be a random serial murderer who did it (although unlikely), but who else would have had a motive?
 
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