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[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Any bullet will stop an intruder. However, the larger the caliber, the bigger the mess. A powerful enough gun will not only enter the intruder's body, but exit it and make a mess on the wall, possibly even going through the wall and into your neighbor's house (if you have a .50 action express or something like that.)

In terms of what the OP is looking at, there wont be a big difference in terminal ballistics.

 

[zixxer]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Any bullet will stop an intruder. However, the larger the caliber, the bigger the mess. A powerful enough gun will not only enter the intruder's body, but exit it and make a mess on the wall, possibly even going through the wall and into your neighbor's house (if you have a .50 action express or something like that.)

In terms of what the OP is looking at, there wont be a big difference in terminal ballistics.

ok after reading all the reviews I'm pretty set on the springfield XD...

next question is 9mm or .40?

 

[swimscubasteve]

What is wrong with a glock 23? I love mine.

.40 caliber, best there is, reliable gun, you can't go wrong

 

[zixxer]

Originally posted by: swimscubasteve
What is wrong with a glock 23? I love mine.

.40 caliber, best there is, reliable gun, you can't go wrong

iirc $$$$$$$$$$$$$

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: armatron

Originally posted by: DonVito
Meh. If you're looking for an inexpensive 9mm pistol, I recommend CZ or a Springfield XD. Also, keep in mind that resale on quality guns is very good, and you will lose the money you save versus, say, a Glock or Sig when it comes time to resell your gun.

im buying this used.. I think she wants like $300 maybe?

Get a taurus revolver.

 

[OdiN]

Yeah actually if you've never shot...a revolver would probably be best for you to start with. I would at LEAST go to a range that has the gun you want (Like the XD .40...most should have that) and actually shoot the gun before you purchase it. Sometimes they just don't fit your hand like you think so you really really should go rent and shoot first.

 

[TallBill]

dont think i've ever shot a gun that i didnt like

 

[eflat]

Originally posted by: armatron
value? good gun? any info?

yeah it's good just make sure you position it in your mouth so you do it right the first time 😉

 

[zixxer]

Originally posted by: CitizenDoug

Originally posted by: armatron
value? good gun? any info?

yeah it's good just make sure you position it in your mouth so you do it right the first time 😉

nice

 

[zixxer]

Originally posted by: OdiN
Yeah actually if you've never shot...a revolver would probably be best for you to start with. I would at LEAST go to a range that has the gun you want (Like the XD .40...most should have that) and actually shoot the gun before you purchase it. Sometimes they just don't fit your hand like you think so you really really should go rent and shoot first.

 

[Soybomb]

Originally posted by: Rebasxer

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: armatron

Originally posted by: poopaskoopa

Originally posted by: armatron

Originally posted by: armatron

Originally posted by: MrBond

Originally posted by: BustaBust
Turned 21 not to long ago and I know this seems 'video-gamish', but I kind of wanted a desert eagle and some kind of 9mm with a silencer.

As for why I chose those, especially with the silencer, I have no idea.
I do know that the 9mm is ideal and the ammo is cheap(?)
As for the Desert E, I don't know, but I think it would be fun to go out somewhere in a field and obliterate small targets and free throw range 😉

Any recommendations? Only concealed weapons.........My friend gave me an AK! 🙂

First of all:

For the cost of owning a surpressed weapon, you could easily buy two nice handguns. I don't know the exact requirements, but I'm pretty sure you need a $300 tax stamp just to buy the silencer - then of course you have to buy the silencer after that.

Second of all, the Desert Eagle is a horrible, horrible handgun. It jams if you limp-wrist it (which you probably will if you don't fire handguns very often), is heavy, and ammunition is expensive. It's probably the worst choice for a handgun ever. I can't see any reason to own one, because most gun owners "in the know" will think you just wasted money buying it. I guess you could impress idiots and people who's only firearms experience comes from video games though.

As for "9mm is ideal" - the advantages include low price and recoil, plus you can get fairly high capacity magazines. If you're buying one for personal protection, I personally think there's better calibers out there.

So here's what I'd reccomend to a first-time handgun owner.

First of all, take a firearms safety course.

Secondly, go to a range that rents guns and try a few to see what you like.

9mm or .40 caliber: Springfield XD.

45ACP: Springfield Full-Sized or Champion 1911.

What is the price difference between 9mm and .40 rounds? I'll be target shooting and personal protection.

Wal-mart sells 100 rounds of 9mm for $10.96, and 100 rounds of .40 for 16.96, if I remember correctly. FMJ rounds.

that's a pretty significant difference.


a 9mm would stop someone robbing/trying to kill me right???

Any bullet will stop an intruder. However, the larger the caliber, the bigger the mess. A powerful enough gun will not only enter the intruder's body, but exit it and make a mess on the wall, possibly even going through the wall and into your neighbor's house (if you have a .50 action express or something like that.)

Well It'll also depends on the type of ammo, as hollowpoint 9mm rounds do a lot more damage than a .40, IIRC. I remeber seeing seeing a video where someone shot a watermelon with a 45 and 9mm hollow tips and the 45 blew the back out but the hollows shreded the thing. I could have this backwards though, correct me if I'm wrong.

No round is a guarenteed stopper, but 9mm .40 and .45acp hollow points in the right load can all perform relatively similar. I like 9mm because its quicker for follow up shots and magazines have a higher capacity than the larger rounds. 147gr rangers for me please.

 

[zixxer]

Originally posted by: Soybomb

Originally posted by: Rebasxer

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: armatron

Originally posted by: poopaskoopa

Originally posted by: armatron

Originally posted by: armatron

Originally posted by: MrBond

Originally posted by: BustaBust
Turned 21 not to long ago and I know this seems 'video-gamish', but I kind of wanted a desert eagle and some kind of 9mm with a silencer.

As for why I chose those, especially with the silencer, I have no idea.
I do know that the 9mm is ideal and the ammo is cheap(?)
As for the Desert E, I don't know, but I think it would be fun to go out somewhere in a field and obliterate small targets and free throw range 😉

Any recommendations? Only concealed weapons.........My friend gave me an AK! 🙂

First of all:

For the cost of owning a surpressed weapon, you could easily buy two nice handguns. I don't know the exact requirements, but I'm pretty sure you need a $300 tax stamp just to buy the silencer - then of course you have to buy the silencer after that.

Second of all, the Desert Eagle is a horrible, horrible handgun. It jams if you limp-wrist it (which you probably will if you don't fire handguns very often), is heavy, and ammunition is expensive. It's probably the worst choice for a handgun ever. I can't see any reason to own one, because most gun owners "in the know" will think you just wasted money buying it. I guess you could impress idiots and people who's only firearms experience comes from video games though.

As for "9mm is ideal" - the advantages include low price and recoil, plus you can get fairly high capacity magazines. If you're buying one for personal protection, I personally think there's better calibers out there.

So here's what I'd reccomend to a first-time handgun owner.

First of all, take a firearms safety course.

Secondly, go to a range that rents guns and try a few to see what you like.

9mm or .40 caliber: Springfield XD.

45ACP: Springfield Full-Sized or Champion 1911.

What is the price difference between 9mm and .40 rounds? I'll be target shooting and personal protection.

Wal-mart sells 100 rounds of 9mm for $10.96, and 100 rounds of .40 for 16.96, if I remember correctly. FMJ rounds.

that's a pretty significant difference.


a 9mm would stop someone robbing/trying to kill me right???

Any bullet will stop an intruder. However, the larger the caliber, the bigger the mess. A powerful enough gun will not only enter the intruder's body, but exit it and make a mess on the wall, possibly even going through the wall and into your neighbor's house (if you have a .50 action express or something like that.)

Well It'll also depends on the type of ammo, as hollowpoint 9mm rounds do a lot more damage than a .40, IIRC. I remeber seeing seeing a video where someone shot a watermelon with a 45 and 9mm hollow tips and the 45 blew the back out but the hollows shreded the thing. I could have this backwards though, correct me if I'm wrong.

No round is a guarenteed stopper, but 9mm .40 and .45acp hollow points in the right load can all perform relatively similar. I like 9mm because its quicker for follow up shots and magazines have a higher capacity than the larger rounds. 147gr rangers for me please.

hmm... I want .40 just because it'sbigger... bleh

 

[phantom309]

The fact that 9mm is cheap is more important than you'd think - because you're going to have to spend a lot of time at the range before you can hit anything with a handgun. You can argue about caliber and stopping power endlessly from all sides - but in the end shot placement is king. Big rounds may be more lethal in theory, but you'll take down an intruder a whole lot faster with a single 9mm slug at center mass than you will with 7 .50s embedded in the wall to the bad guy's left.

So:

Buy the biggest caliber you can afford to shoot often.

Shoot often, learn to shoot well, and get to know your gun/round.

Defend yourself with the gun/round you know you can shoot.

 

[Soybomb]

Originally posted by: phantom309
The fact that 9mm is cheap is more important than you'd think - because you're going to have to spend a lot of time at the range before you can hit anything with a handgun. You can argue about caliber and stopping power endlessly from all sides - but in the end shot placement is king. Big rounds may be more lethal in theory, but you'll take down an intruder a whole lot faster with a single 9mm slug at center mass than you will with 7 .50s embedded in the wall to the bad guy's left.

So:

Buy the biggest caliber you can afford to shoot often.

Shoot often, learn to shoot well, and get to know your gun/round.

Defend yourself with the gun/round you know you can shoot.

An excellent point that I think most people gloss over. Someone was telling me how well protected they are with their nightstand gun filled with black talons yesterday. All I could think of was how terrible their aim probably was and the unknown probability of a ftf/fte.

 

[Kilgor]

I'd get her a Ruger SP101 in .357 it's built like a tank and reliable 5 shots in 357 or 38 special. No safties or stovepipes you pull the trigger it goes bang if it doesn't you pull it again. Load it with some Gold Dots and you're ready. 🙂

 

[mwtgg]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Rebasxer
Is handgun ownership 21 yrs old across the board or do certain states have it 18?

Varies by state.

I thought it was federal.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: mwtgg

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Rebasxer
Is handgun ownership 21 yrs old across the board or do certain states have it 18?

Varies by state.

I thought it was federal.

A person under 21 cannot buy a handgun from an FFL but depending on state law they may be able to own one. (Like if a parent buys their son/daughter a pistol)

 

[mwtgg]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: mwtgg

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Rebasxer
Is handgun ownership 21 yrs old across the board or do certain states have it 18?

Varies by state.

I thought it was federal.

A person under 21 cannot buy a handgun from an FFL but depending on state law they may be able to own one. (Like if a parent buys their son/daughter a pistol)

Ok, yeah, that's what I thought.

 

[zixxer]

up for edit

 

[K1052]

The XD, though $489 seems a bit pricey.

 

[anthrax]

If its for protection purposes...why not get a shot gun instead... They are easier to use and acurately and one shot will likely incapcitate a person at close range?

 

[Lyfer]

BFG9000 FTW.

 

[zixxer]

Originally posted by: anthrax
If its for protection purposes...why not get a shot gun instead... They are easier to use and acurately and one shot will likely incapcitate a person at close range?

it's more for target stuff and just generally a mechanical 'interesting' thing,,

 

[zixxer]

Originally posted by: K1052
The XD, though $489 seems a bit pricey.

link w/ better price?

 

[eflat]

Originally posted by: anthrax
If its for protection purposes...why not get a shot gun instead... They are easier to use and acurately and one shot will likely incapcitate a person at close range?

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