Question Anyone knows when the New Xeons coming out?

[Markeyse]

Hello everyone! I'm in the process for planning my next workstation build, and At first I had a configuration that includes an LGA3467 motherboard with Xeon W chips. But it seems as those are being discontinued, and I can't find the motherboard or chips anywhere anymore.

I've heard that Intel releasing some new Xeons with socket LGA4189 chips, with PCIe 4.0 & 5.0, but can't find much info as when those are coming out, and since I'm doing a lot of Music creating and now some CAD work, I need things like ECC RDIMM RAM. Anyone have any info, or at least an even that they will announce them? Help is much appreciated.

 

[Markeyse]

Ok slight update. Just made some extra $$$, and thought about what Shmee said. So I bought a used i7-4930K to tide me over for a min until later this year.

I've been reading a lot of stuff that AMD is starting to plan for the end of the year, and I'm getting excited. Lots of new stuff coming out.

 

[Headfoot]

Not that I don't understand the urge, but these requirements are MASSIVELY overkill for a DAW machine. It sounds like you're using crappy old school DAWs (ProTools excluded-ish). Good DAWs use all the threads available and aren't super resource heavy like that.

I run huge project files with Melodyne and tons of virtual instruments and I've had no issue whatsoever on 16GB of RAM on my 5820k. I'm talking up to 8 guitar tracks all with BIAS FX impulse response based virtual instrument emulation then with pedal chains of 4-5 pedals on each channel, just in the instrument. Then 4-8 plugins per channel for standard stuff, EQ, compression etc.

I'm using Reaper though, which is efficient, and highly multithreaded. It runs really well, all the time. Forget Logic or pretty much anything but Ableton Live, ProTools or Reaper. Everything else is legacy in my mind. Single thread in a DAW is due to nothing other than low quality programming and old out of date code. DAW is the perfect use case for multithreading.

 

[Markeyse]

Not that I don't understand the urge, but these requirements are MASSIVELY overkill for a DAW machine. It sounds like you're using crappy old school DAWs (ProTools excluded-ish). Good DAWs use all the threads available and aren't super resource heavy like that.

I run huge project files with Melodyne and tons of virtual instruments and I've had no issue whatsoever on 16GB of RAM on my 5820k. I'm talking up to 8 guitar tracks all with BIAS FX impulse response based virtual instrument emulation then with pedal chains of 4-5 pedals on each channel, just in the instrument. Then 4-8 plugins per channel for standard stuff, EQ, compression etc.

I'm using Reaper though, which is efficient, and highly multithreaded. It runs really well, all the time. Forget Logic or pretty much anything but Ableton Live, ProTools or Reaper. Everything else is legacy in my mind. Single thread in a DAW is due to nothing other than low quality programming and old out of date code. DAW is the perfect use case for multithreading.

Don't think you are reading into everything I'm really saying.

First off, I haven't touched Pro Tools since October. I got Studio One (Which I ADORE), and Using Reasons.

So for your information, I've downloaded some new plugs, that are sample based, especially when it comes to things like Piano Samples and strings. And I want to do that at a lower buffer. I ran two instance of my new String plug in, and my CPU usage went from 30% to 100% and was in popping hell. I can raise the buffer past the 256 setting I have, but then it becomes not playable in realtime. Note that is JUST Reason, and not including when I need to run those Apps simultaneously. Heck, some of the new VI's in Reason takes a lot more horsepower than when I first started this journey. My Piano sounds takes 5-10 seconds to load because it is layered in so many samples. These aren't "Basic" sounds. I just receive the new Processor and it seems to help a little, but still not perfect yet, but it shall do for now.

And 8 Guitar tracks? That is cute. I already got sessions imported over where I have 50-200 tracks. Some I'm testing. One I've imported from Reason that is 20 tracks alone, and that is right now without vocalist. And while most tracks I have three plugs, some can be up to 12, with routing and sidechains. That takes up processing. And I've been buying plugins and those matters too. Not all plugs made the same.

And that is not including the CAD work that I'm now doing for a company I'm trying to start. That has its own requirements.

Times has changed, and I've was already planning to get a very powerful rig. I'm not buying for "Today's" need like you are insisting.This is a rig I want to last for another 10 years. I need a multitasking BEAST! I need RAID-On-CPU tech for M.2 Drives. I need a handful of SATA drives now (Currently got six).

I've just built a FreeNAS server for redundancy, and Looking at my options for a offsite backup because this is something I'm planning to make money with. This isn't just for Sport for me. And seeing other rigs that people is building on here, mine isn't soo far-fetched. My Current Rig I've invested over $3,500 into it,so this new build won't be far off. I need this to also help save time from loading samples and doing renders, since time is money.


That is why I need this "Overkill" of a machine.

 

[Markfw]

Don't think you are reading into everything I'm really saying.

First off, I haven't touched Pro Tools since October. I got Studio One (Which I ADORE), and Using Reasons.

So for your information, I've downloaded some new plugs, that are sample based, especially when it comes to things like Piano Samples and strings. And I want to do that at a lower buffer. I ran two instance of my new String plug in, and my CPU usage went from 30% to 100% and was in popping hell. I can raise the buffer past the 256 setting I have, but then it becomes not playable in realtime. Note that is JUST Reason, and not including when I need to run those Apps simultaneously. Heck, some of the new VI's in Reason takes a lot more horsepower than when I first started this journey. My Piano sounds takes 5-10 seconds to load because it is layered in so many samples. These aren't "Basic" sounds. I just receive the new Processor and it seems to help a little, but still not perfect yet, but it shall do for now.

And 8 Guitar tracks? That is cute. I already got sessions imported over where I have 50-200 tracks. Some I'm testing. One I've imported from Reason that is 20 tracks alone, and that is right now without vocalist. And while most tracks I have three plugs, some can be up to 12, with routing and sidechains. That takes up processing. And I've been buying plugins and those matters too. Not all plugs made the same.

And that is not including the CAD work that I'm now doing for a company I'm trying to start. That has its own requirements.

Times has changed, and I've was already planning to get a very powerful rig. I'm not buying for "Today's" need like you are insisting.This is a rig I want to last for another 10 years. I need a multitasking BEAST! I need RAID-On-CPU tech for M.2 Drives. I need a handful of SATA drives now (Currently got six).

I've just built a FreeNAS server for redundancy, and Looking at my options for a offsite backup because this is something I'm planning to make money with. This isn't just for Sport for me. And seeing other rigs that people is building on here, mine isn't soo far-fetched. My Current Rig I've invested over $3,500 into it,so this new build won't be far off. I need this to also help save time from loading samples and doing renders, since time is money.


That is why I need this "Overkill" of a machine.

a 3960x or 3970x would be perfect. Intel won't have anything to compare to those for 2 years at least. I say that instead of the 3990x, since you want clock speed and cores.

 

[Markeyse]

a 3960x or 3970x would be perfect. Intel won't have anything to compare to those for 2 years at least. I say that instead of the 3990x, since you want clock speed and cores.

I'm not 100% sold on them though. I can tell you I HATE the layouts of the motherboards they have, namely the PCIe Slots. Most boards seems to have only four, I need more of the ballfield of maybe five or six since I'm going to start using some NVM RAID cards now for my production. And lack of a 10G port on the motherboard may cost me another PCIe slot that I would want for transfers between my FreeNAS box. And it would be nice to know how many PCIe Lanes is coming from the CPU. So still some things I'm reserved about looking at threadripper, and looking towards Epyc or an Intel Chip. I'm going to actually contact AMD on some more info on stuff. This is the first time I'm considering rolling with an AMD rig, and I have specific requirements, but since I'm putting my dollars on it, it gotta work for me or else I'll pass.

 

[JasonLD]

a 3960x or 3970x would be perfect. Intel won't have anything to compare to those for 2 years at least. I say that instead of the 3990x, since you want clock speed and cores.

There just aren't enough user builds or tests done on DAWs using those Threadrippers to recommend them right away, and looks like lot of current DAWs have issues with them.

In testing on the 64 thread 3970X I saw it refuse to run cleanly on the DB VI test at a 64 buffer, where it simply crackled constantly with little to no load applied. It did run better on a 128 buffer, but the score still placed it behind a number of far weaker chips, so it didn’t look to handle itself well. The 256 buffer and upwards seemed to slowly creep towards the sort of performance levels I would hope to see, pretty much repeating the sort of issue’s we saw in previous generations with the low latency performance hole.
So, we thought there might be a few usable scenarios to be had, but then we ran the DSP test and hit another snag. The projects in that SGA DSP test would always overload at around 60 %- 65% load and I didn’t see a way around this in the time I spent with it. I’ve tried different memory types and speeds, but no matter what it seemed to cap out there.
I also took a look at the mighty 3990X, although was beaten here as well for a slightly different reason. There have been reports in the wider press about software having trouble addressing all the cores currently due to underlying Windows interactions, and we saw pretty much that there. With Reaper, we could only address 64 threads out of the 128 and it behaved much like the 3970X in the testing above. I had wondered if the Windows Pro Workstation build with its support for improved addressing across more cores might help, but the feedback so far is that it’s currently ineffective and comments from Microsoft and AMD would appear to currently bear this out and it remains one to keep an eye out in the future.

2020 Q1 – Cpu’s in the Studio overview

www.scanproaudio.info

Looks like DAWs currently aren't that well optimized for latest Threadrippers(I would think EPYC would face the same issues), so I would wait until next year or two before building overkill rig.

 

[Markeyse]

There just aren't enough user builds or tests done on DAWs using those Threadrippers to recommend them right away, and looks like lot of current DAWs have issues with them.

2020 Q1 – Cpu’s in the Studio overview

www.scanproaudio.info

Looks like DAWs currently aren't that well optimized for latest Threadrippers(I would think EPYC would face the same issues), so I would wait until next year or two before building overkill rig.

Not a bad article. Yes software devs have to catch up too. I think the Zen platform has caught everyone by surprise. Now talking to PreSonus guys at NAMM (who makes Studio One, Notion, and hardware interfaces and Studio Monitors) has told me they can't say much, but wait until the next version of the software. So this is the perfect attack on planning my system.

It is surprising not to see Threadripper take away some stats, but again, it depends on not only optimization on the software side, but RAM and being able to have chips that are up toe the task. AMD still is hugely marketing as the "Gaming" processor guys, and yes we can use those processors still, I would want something more focus like the article states.


I pretty much got most of what I want. Some stuff I will start doing now since it don't require a board change. But the only thing I'm not set on is the CPU and the Motherboard.

 

[Markfw]

I'm not 100% sold on them though. I can tell you I HATE the layouts of the motherboards they have, namely the PCIe Slots. Most boards seems to have only four, I need more of the ballfield of maybe five or six since I'm going to start using some NVM RAID cards now for my production. And lack of a 10G port on the motherboard may cost me another PCIe slot that I would want for transfers between my FreeNAS box. And it would be nice to know how many PCIe Lanes is coming from the CPU. So still some things I'm reserved about looking at threadripper, and looking towards Epyc or an Intel Chip. I'm going to actually contact AMD on some more info on stuff. This is the first time I'm considering rolling with an AMD rig, and I have specific requirements, but since I'm putting my dollars on it, it gotta work for me or else I'll pass.

With 4 slots, and all those PCIE lames, you can get 3 m.2 adapters, each of which can do at least 16 tb, plus 8-12 tb more on the motherboard and your video card. What the heck more do you want ???? 56-60 tb fast storage + sata drives + video card ??? Are you just dissing all of this, hoping someday Intel can exceed it ?

Or are you trolling......There is no logical reason to dis these motherboards or CPUs for what you are doing.

Oh, and at least 4 of the motherboards do 10 gb internet/lan. This once has everything and is only $460

Are you a human?

www.newegg.com

 

[JasonLD]

With 4 slots, and all those PCIE lames, you can get 3 m.2 adapters, each of which can do at least 16 gb, plus your video card. What the heck more do you want ???? 48 gb fast storage + sata drives + video card ??? Are you just dissing all of this, hoping someday Intel can exceed it ?

Or are you trolling......There is no logical reason to dis these motherboards or CPUs for what you are doing.

Oh, and at least 4 of the motherboards do 10 gb internet/lan. This once has everything and is only $460

Are you a human?

www.newegg.com

Software isn't supporting them well so it is pretty much a moot point right now. He is better served waiting til next year.

 

[Markeyse]

With 4 slots, and all those PCIE lames, you can get 3 m.2 adapters, each of which can do at least 16 tb, plus 8-12 tb more on the motherboard and your video card. What the heck more do you want ???? 56-60 tb fast storage + sata drives + video card ??? Are you just dissing all of this, hoping someday Intel can exceed it ?

Or are you trolling......There is no logical reason to dis these motherboards or CPUs for what you are doing.

Oh, and at least 4 of the motherboards do 10 gb internet/lan. This once has everything and is only $460

Are you a human?

www.newegg.com

Why would I troll my own post?

Not sure if you guys seen my previous post, but I've always was big on PCIe Slots.

I need something for MY needs. I don't wanna FORCE something that won't work for me. I don't buy Apple Products for that reason.

 

[Markeyse]

Software isn't supporting them well so it is pretty much a moot point right now. He is better served waiting til next year.

Rumor have it there will be stuff unveiled for the fall. SO we will see there. May be also something this summer when they officially Unveil Xe too. I'm hearing all Xe will be PCIe 3.0 or 4.0 so you know new stuff going to come out for that.

 

[Markfw]

Why would I troll my own post?

Not sure if you guys seen my previous post, but I've always was big on PCIe Slots.

I need something for MY needs. I don't wanna FORCE something that won't work for me. I don't buy Apple Products for that reason.

Why do you need any more than 60 tb of disk space, not even including any sata drives ? What other reason do you need more PCIE slots ? Why did you say there was no 10 meg ethernet when MOST of those motherboards have it ?

 

[Markeyse]

Why do you need any more than 60 tb of disk space, not even including any sata drives ? What other reason do you need more PCIE slots ? Why did you say there was no 10 meg ethernet when MOST of those motherboards have it ?

I'm sorry Mark not sure what you are reading or tripping on.

I've never said I needed 60TB of hard drive space. I have six drives that I use on my workstation(Seven if you count the portable I dock to transfer music to portable). Most motherboards don't have 10G Ethernet, And I have Three Slots already taken up on my current setup (GPU, Soundcard, USB Card). Planning to add another interface which I want on its own bus for lantency reason, a monitor cards, and the RAID cards. So yes that would equate to about five.


This isn't a "Gaming" rig. This is a "gotta make money" rig since I'm going to be advancing my production soon. That is a lot of stuff I got planned for the pipeline. That includes a lot of stuff that must be connected to it. I've spend almost $2500 in the past four months getting and replacing gear. Music we could require a lot of cards, and without the PCIe then there is no connection.

Here is a video to educate you on some of the stuff. This guy does a lot more than me, and have a lot more equipment, but not unlike some of the stuff I'm planning to do.

Neil Parfitt I/O Cards

Neil Parfitt Software Test

 

[Markfw]

I'm sorry Mark not sure what you are reading or tripping on.

I've never said I needed 60TB of hard drive space. I have six drives that I use on my workstation(Seven if you count the portable I dock to transfer music to portable). Most motherboards don't have 10G Ethernet, And I have Three Slots already taken up on my current setup (GPU, Soundcard, USB Card). Planning to add another interface which I want on its own bus for lantency reason, a monitor cards, and the RAID cards. So yes that would equate to about five.


This isn't a "Gaming" rig. This is a "gotta make money" rig since I'm going to be advancing my production soon. That is a lot of stuff I got planned for the pipeline. That includes a lot of stuff that must be connected to it. I've spend almost $2500 in the past four months getting and replacing gear. Music we could require a lot of cards, and without the PCIe then there is no connection.

Here is a video to educate you on some of the stuff. This guy does a lot more than me, and have a lot more equipment, but not unlike some of the stuff I'm planning to do.

Neil Parfitt I/O Cards

Neil Parfitt Software Test

Well, I was trying to find an answer to my questions. You now have provided that. But speaking only of the trx4 motherboards, many if not most DO have 10g ethernet.

However, why would you need a USB card ? Most motherboards have 6-8 ports on the IO panel, and 4-6 that you use the case ports. Thats 10-14 USB devices already. If you need more, a USB hub would make more sense, as it will give you easier access to plug devices in. And most motherboards have good sound these days, but for what you do, I can see a premium sound card might be required. So that leaves only 2 PCIE card slots open.

Whatever you want, I bow out of this thread, as it appears you just want an Intel chip and motherboard, and make excuses for everything else.

 

[Markeyse]

Well, I was trying to find an answer to my questions. You now have provided that. But speaking only of the trx4 motherboards, many if not most DO have 10g ethernet.

I've never hid what I was looking for. I've said it and even posted motherboard layouts

However, why would you need a USB card ? Most motherboards have 6-8 ports on the IO panel, and 4-6 that you use the case ports. Thats 10-14 USB devices already. And most motherboards have good sound these days, but for what you do, I can see a premium sound card might be required. So that leaves only 2 PCIE card slots open.

Because I need a direct connection to my CPU. You Never, NEVER connect your Audio interface to a USB hub. Your latencies increase (The time to play notes that then goes thru the processor, then out that thru your cards and out your interface thru your studio monitors), and errors and stuff. You want the clearest signal to my Audio Interface with nothing else on it, and in turn I don't worry about anything acting up, sounds being delayed, or the program crashing.

Whatever you want, I bow out of this thread, as it appears you just want an Intel chip and motherboard, and make excuses for everything.

Well, according to you!

Here is the thing. It is fine to be a fanboy, but it is another to talk about something like you find that someone is giving something a negative that isn't a negative. Now I've said that I would be more interested in the Epyc, if I was to go AMD. There is some things with how the AMD motherboards are setup that isn't going to work for MY workflow. Just like you have your wants and needs, I have mine. I'm not going to just buy something because you want me to. I need the setup to make sense to me, and if it don't make sense, why buy it and spend thousands off of something that I KNOW won't work for me? It doesn't make sense. I's said it here, I've always wanted to find that AMD setup that will make me buy it. I want to, but if it doesn't work for THIS build don't mean I hate AMD. Intel generally is more compatible and caters to pro user. AMD caters more to gamers for the most part. This is fact. Now we are seeing that starting to change a little with Epyc. But there is still some more I like to see, hence me waiting as well to see what happens.

Like @JasonLD post Is transparent. I like that. And to me, the Motherboard and what it has is a little more important to me than the actual CPU that I will be using since it has all the I/O. I won't compromise on that, as I feel you won't compromise with your needs and wants.