Anyone know the difference between a soldier and a Marine?

[gevorg]

arrogant dumbass gets a beatdown by a power-tripped marine cop = millions of youtube views

 

[Via]

I only watched a few seconds.

So -

The video begins with a clear assault. What are the cliffs?

 

[OutHouse]

sorry that take down was not warranted. mr jarhead turned into a DI with a badge and asserted his dominion over some punk army guy. he is not a MP in some shit hole, he is a civilian cop making contact with another civilian. just because he was in the service at some point in his life does not give him the authority to practice his hand to hand on some punk puffing up his chest and bitchin on his pathetic response time.

that kid should lawyer up, any cracker jack attorney has all the evidence he needs with that video.

i hated dealing with marines when they came to my base on TDY. It never failed to we would have to lock a few of the degenerates up for one thing or another.

 

[BoomerD]

sorry that take down was not warranted. mr jarhead turned into a DI with a badge and asserted his dominion over some punk army guy. he is not a MP in some shit hole, he is a civilian cop making contact with another civilian. just because he was in the service at some point in his life does not give him the authority to practice his hand to hand on some punk puffing up his chest and bitchin on his pathetic response time.

that kid should lawyer up, any cracker jack attorney has all the evidence he needs with that video.

i hated dealing with marines when they came to my base on TDY. It never failed to we would have to lock a few of the degenerates up for one thing or another.

Wait...sorry. I didn't realize it was YOUR base...:$

It's entirely possible that I saw the inside of one or more brigs in my days...()🙂

 

[Doppel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p51PGX-PrqQ

This guy does now :biggrin:

Another power-tripping pig. He assaulted the kid inside of 30 seconds and should be in jail for it.

Sad to see so many proles here proud of the fact a guy was assaulted by a pig. He didn't pose any threat at any time and was assaulted for not being what the pig considered sufficiently respectful.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

I'm actually okay with this. Step up like that to an officer and the result should always be this. Kinda reminds me of the Few Good Men speech by Jack Nicholson. We want these guys to be the mean bad guys that protects society from the scum but don't want to acknowledge the nasty side of it that's needed.

 

[Triumph]

I'm actually okay with this. Step up like that to an officer and the result should always be this. Kinda reminds me of the Few Good Men speech by Jack Nicholson. We want these guys to be the mean bad guys that protects society from the scum but don't want to acknowledge the nasty side of it that's needed.

No. No we do not need that.

 

[Doppel]

I'm actually okay with this. Step up like that to an officer and the result should always be this. Kinda reminds me of the Few Good Men speech by Jack Nicholson. We want these guys to be the mean bad guys that protects society from the scum but don't want to acknowledge the nasty side of it that's needed.

I watched again and I didn't see the first time the guy did step up, but he did in fact. They both did. He still got assaulted though.

 

[HumblePie]

The dude kicked it off with his douchey attitude towards the cops. It's probably that same attitude that caused him to get his ass beaten by the guys in the house in the first place. I'd also put good odds that he was coked up which is why he was acting like he was the most important man in the world at that moment. He deserved what he got and maybe it will be a lesson that will serve him well in the future.

Being a dick, douchebag, asshole, or whatever moniker you want to label the guy as is not against the law. Sorry bud. While I admit the video was entertaining in a pervers way, the cop was in the wrong on this completely.

The soldier had a legitimate complaint to call the cops. The cops did take an excessive amount of time to reach the area. The soldier was upset at the time it took. Yah he was a dick in how he presented how upset at the lack of timely response he had with the cops. But as another poster pointed out, the soldier was acting in a civilian capacity and the cops were there in a professional capacity. Even if the soldier/citizen was being a whiny ass bitch the cops have zero authority to use physical force in the manner that they did. The bullshit with the "I'm a marine" by the cop was just that. Bullshit. The cops should be facing criminal charges over that incident based upon the evidence shown in the video.

 

[HumblePie]

I watched again and I didn't see the first time the guy did step up, but he did in fact. They both did. He still got assaulted though.

Cop stepped into the personal space of the soldier. The soldier took a "squaring" step of aligning his chest parallel with the cop in an aggressive posture. We don't know the posture exactly of the cop as he stepped into the personal space of the soldier. Did the cop need to make those 3 steps while he was able to continue his conversation where he was originally standing at? Actual, first rule of being a cop is not to get that close unless you are actually ready to put your hands on the person to make an arrest. Personal space requirements are usually a very thorough part of my city police officer training that I know of.

 

[MarkXIX]

The Soldier in this situation was acting like a little punk. However, given the initial response the officer(s) should have worked harder to diffuse the situation verbally first.

As an Army Military Police officer I would have found the response of the cop excessive. Anything you can resolve verbally first is a much better situation. Soldiers and Marines are trained pretty early on in basic training that certain verbal commands and voice tones mean business. The Marine/cop could have easily shouted "At Ease Soldier" and probably would have gotten a response, because sad to say, that's how we were all programmed as young men and women.

Final analysis from me is that the cop acted out of order and used slightly excessive force to respond to the given situation and the Soldier should shut his mouth and accept what happened to him. The cop should receive a written reprimand and receive additional use of force continuum training as a corrective action and it should be water under the bridge.

 

[monkeydelmagico]

Step 1 set up cameras
Step 2 call cops
Step 3 provoke cops and get assaulted
Step 4 fake all sorts of injuries
Step 5 sue and get paid

All because some twerp rubbed the officer the wrong way that day.

Sure would be great if internal affairs did these sorts of tests on officers before they get caught out by John Q. Public and end up costing the taxpayers more than they are worth.

 

[OutHouse]

It's entirely possible that I saw the inside of one or more brigs in my days...()🙂

Not possible, the air force didn't exist during the revolutionary war.

 

[HumblePie]

The Soldier in this situation was acting like a little punk. However, given the initial response the officer(s) should have worked harder to diffuse the situation verbally first.

As an Army Military Police officer I would have found the response of the cop excessive. Anything you can resolve verbally first is a much better situation. Soldiers and Marines are trained pretty early on in basic training that certain verbal commands and voice tones mean business. The Marine/cop could have easily shouted "At Ease Soldier" and probably would have gotten a response, because sad to say, that's how we were all programmed as young men and women.

Final analysis from me is that the cop acted out of order and used slightly excessive force to respond to the given situation and the Soldier should shut his mouth and accept what happened to him. The cop should receive a written reprimand and receive additional use of force continuum training as a corrective action and it should be water under the bridge.

Excessive force is still assault. If I hit you for being a douchebag to me guess what happens to me if you pursue legal actions?

 

[BoomerD]

Not possible, the air force didn't exist during the revolutionary war.

You were a chair force puke? Never mind. For some reason, I thought you were a squid.
I grew up on AF bases as a kid. I had my share of run-ins with the AP's back in the day...including wandering into a VERY restricted part of the flight line...while the B-52's were loaded with nukes. (chrome dome) ()🙂

 

[MarkXIX]

Excessive force is still assault. If I hit you for being a douchebag to me guess what happens to me if you pursue legal actions?

I never said it wasn't, however, what's sorely missing in our society is civil discourse and personal responsibility. The victim here could have acted in a more civil manner and if he were assaulted in the same way, I'd be the first to be calling it excessive force, assault, etc., and calling for the termination of the officer.

However, what's clear to me is that the Soldier acted in an aggressive manner that was uncalled for. Had he been calm and respectful, the situation would have been different. He could have rationally asked why it took so long for the police to respond and he likely would have gotten a rational answer and that would have been that.

No reasonable person should expect that either of these guys should get off without some kind of repercussions. The victim here definitely should NOT be awarded some monetary compensation for something he himself could have prevented. If he's and adult, and responsible, all he should expect is what he got, an apology, his problems resolved by the police where possible, and a hard lesson learned.

 

[HumblePie]

I never said it wasn't, however, what's sorely missing in our society is civil discourse and personal responsibility. The victim here could have acted in a more civil manner and if he were assaulted in the same way, I'd be the first to be calling it excessive force, assault, etc., and calling for the termination of the officer.

However, what's clear to me is that the Soldier acted in an aggressive manner that was uncalled for. Had he been calm and respectful, the situation would have been different. He could have rationally asked why it took so long for the police to respond and he likely would have gotten a rational answer and that would have been that.

No reasonable person should expect that either of these guys should get off without some kind of repercussions. The victim here definitely should NOT be awarded some monetary compensation for something he himself could have prevented. If he's and adult, and responsible, all he should expect is what he got, an apology, his problems resolved by the police where possible, and a hard lesson learned.

Doesn't matter if the guy was a dick. The cop over reacted and deserves the punishment. The way you word it is blaming the victim here. Is a woman that dresses too sexy deserving of being raped when she gets raped? Because that is the logic you just employed in your posts.

The guy was a douche. While I find it funny he got smacked for it, what the cop did was not right. The cop has the responsibility to restrain himself no matter how much of a dick the guy was acting like. And then factor in the position of authority that police officers are given, they should be held to a higher accountability that some random dickface on the street.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Doesn't matter if the guy was a dick. The cop over reacted and deserves the punishment. The way you word it is blaming the victim here. Is a woman that dresses too sexy deserving of being raped when she gets raped? Because that is the logic you just employed in your posts.

The guy was a douche. While I find it funny he got smacked for it, what the cop did was not right. The cop has the responsibility to restrain himself no matter how much of a dick the guy was acting like. And then factor in the position of authority that police officers are given, they should be held to a higher accountability that some random dickface on the street.

The guy was more than just a dick, he got confrontational in a physical manner by taking that final step towards the cop. I'm pretty sure that any cop can consider that to be a physical threat and has the authority to take the action necessary to de-escalate the situation, which is exactly what happened in this case. He didn't hurt the douchebag, he simply took some of the oversized stuffing out of his shorts. No harm, no foul.

Could the cop have handled the situation differently? Sure. But it was his judgment call at the time and he did what he felt was necessary. I don't have a problem with it whatsoever, but I'm not one of those in here who seem to have a deep-seated loathing for cops.

 

[HumblePie]

The guy was more than just a dick, he got confrontational in a physical manner by taking that final step towards the cop. I'm pretty sure that any cop can consider that to be a physical threat and has the authority to take the action necessary to de-escalate the situation, which is exactly what happened in this case. He didn't hurt the douchebag, he simply took some of the oversized stuffing out of his shorts. No harm, no foul.

Could the cop have handled the situation differently? Sure. But it was his judgment call at the time and he did what he felt was necessary. I don't have a problem with it whatsoever, but I'm not one of those in here who seem to have a deep-seated loathing for cops.

The cop took the first aggressive action stepping into his personal space. The other guy just squared off his chest in front of the cop after the cop did that. Then the cop took the next aggressive action by punching him.

The guy would never have squared off or taken an aggressive action as he did if the cop hadn't stepped into his space. Even then, the cop could have backed off after the guy squared off.

Bone head mistake number one was the cop getting confrontational first. Bone head mistake number 2 was the guy getting confrontational back. Next bonehead mistake was the cop not realizing he was provoking the problem and not backing down. Final bonehead mistake was the cop hitting the guy and spouting the stupid shit he while doing so.

Police are law enforcement. They do not take the law into their own hands and dish out punishment as they see fit. This was a case of the cop doing so. The guy was making a complaint about the response time of the cops. It is the JOB of the cops to remain professional and courteous at all times even when dealing with a dickhead. If a cop can't hack that then they have zero business being a cop.

 

[Oyeve]

The guy was more than just a dick, he got confrontational in a physical manner by taking that final step towards the cop. I'm pretty sure that any cop can consider that to be a physical threat and has the authority to take the action necessary to de-escalate the situation, which is exactly what happened in this case. He didn't hurt the douchebag, he simply took some of the oversized stuffing out of his shorts. No harm, no foul.

Could the cop have handled the situation differently? Sure. But it was his judgment call at the time and he did what he felt was necessary. I don't have a problem with it whatsoever, but I'm not one of those in here who seem to have a deep-seated loathing for cops.

We have deep seated loathing for cops because a lot of them are fucking assholes like the one in this video. he was an asshole ex marine with a cop gun and a cop badge. Take those away and hes just a fucking pussy who I would love to punch in the face and any other asshole like him.

 

[MarkXIX]

Doesn't matter if the guy was a dick. The cop over reacted and deserves the punishment. The way you word it is blaming the victim here. Is a woman that dresses too sexy deserving of being raped when she gets raped? Because that is the logic you just employed in your posts.

The guy was a douche. While I find it funny he got smacked for it, what the cop did was not right. The cop has the responsibility to restrain himself no matter how much of a dick the guy was acting like. And then factor in the position of authority that police officers are given, they should be held to a higher accountability that some random dickface on the street.

I recommended punishment for the officer, he should be reprimanded for misconduct and sent back for re-training on the use of force policies of his department and/or state. What part of that is unreasonable?

There are people here stating that the victim should lawyer up and sue the hell out of the department. I'm addressing that as wrong. The victim acted completely inappropriately and in an aggressive manner and he got an aggressive response. I can't think that I can scream and demean someone in public, anyone, make an aggressive physical move toward them and not expect some kind of equal response. That's not reasonable to expect.

It's like you expected the officer to simply cower down like a kid being bullied and do nothing. He overreacted, we agree and the officer should be punished/reprimanded. The victim however should get nothing more than a lesson learned not to react that way again to anyone or any thing under any circumstance. If this hadn't been a cop and had just been Army vs. Marine I suspect you'd be cheering on the Marine for the beat down he issued. But since the guy is a cop, you want to believe there are entirely different rules in play and there aren't really.

The cop should be reprimanded and retrained. The victim should receive the services he requested initially without reprisal and learn that next time he should be respectful to the people that show up to help him instead of being a raging asshole.

 

[HumblePie]

I recommended punishment for the officer, he should be reprimanded for misconduct and sent back for re-training on the use of force policies of his department and/or state. What part of that is unreasonable?

There are people here stating that the victim should lawyer up and sue the hell out of the department. I'm addressing that as wrong. The victim acted completely inappropriately and in an aggressive manner and he got an aggressive response. I can't think that I can scream and demean someone in public, anyone, make an aggressive physical move toward them and not expect some kind of equal response. That's not reasonable to expect.

It's like you expected the officer to simply cower down like a kid being bullied and do nothing. He overreacted, we agree and the officer should be punished/reprimanded. The victim however should get nothing more than a lesson learned not to react that way again to anyone or any thing under any circumstance. If this hadn't been a cop and had just been Army vs. Marine I suspect you'd be cheering on the Marine for the beat down he issued. But since the guy is a cop, you want to believe there are entirely different rules in play and there aren't really.

The cop should be reprimanded and retrained. The victim should receive the services he requested initially without reprisal and learn that next time he should be respectful to the people that show up to help him instead of being a raging asshole.

No. The cop should have maintained professionalism the entire time. Not only did he fail by making the first aggressive move, he committed a crime. That goes further than just a reprimand. He should be charged with assault and deserves to be convicted of it. Being a cop does NOT give him the right to take the law into his own hands. The cop made the first aggressive move and escalated the situation from something that non-confrontational to what happened. The cop deserves full punishment under the law. It will do several things. Punish the guilty and remind those that may have his same mentality that they are not above the law. That they are held to higher principles. Giving a cop a slap on the wrist for punishment only emboldens them to think they are above those they are suppose to be serving.

 

[slightlyhuman]

No. The cop should have maintained professionalism the entire time. Not only did he fail by making the first aggressive move, he committed a crime. That goes further than just a reprimand. He should be charged with assault and deserves to be convicted of it. Being a cop does NOT give him the right to take the law into his own hands. The cop made the first aggressive move and escalated the situation from something that non-confrontational to what happened. The cop deserves full punishment under the law. It will do several things. Punish the guilty and remind those that may have his same mentality that they are not above the law. That they are held to higher principles. Giving a cop a slap on the wrist for punishment only emboldens them to think they are above those they are suppose to be serving.

not sure this country will ever learn that.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

The cop took the first aggressive action stepping into his personal space. The other guy just squared off his chest in front of the cop after the cop did that. Then the cop took the next aggressive action by punching him.

The guy would never have squared off or taken an aggressive action as he did if the cop hadn't stepped into his space. Even then, the cop could have backed off after the guy squared off.

Bone head mistake number one was the cop getting confrontational first. Bone head mistake number 2 was the guy getting confrontational back. Next bonehead mistake was the cop not realizing he was provoking the problem and not backing down. Final bonehead mistake was the cop hitting the guy and spouting the stupid shit he while doing so.

Police are law enforcement. They do not take the law into their own hands and dish out punishment as they see fit. This was a case of the cop doing so. The guy was making a complaint about the response time of the cops. It is the JOB of the cops to remain professional and courteous at all times even when dealing with a dickhead. If a cop can't hack that then they have zero business being a cop.

Can you show me the law where it says a cop can't step into your "personal space?" Guess what, when you're acting like a petulant, foul-mouthed child like the douchebag did (and THAT was bonehead mistake number 1) just about any cop is going to get in your face. The guy also took 2 steps toward the cop after the cop had closed, which was bonehead mistake 2 and the final mistake he made. You also claim the guy was punched. The video shows no evidence of that happening. What it looks like is the cop grabbed him and took him to the ground, nothing more.

This video, btw, is 2 years old. Does anyone have any evidence that the cop was fired, sued, or even reprimanded for this action? There should be some public information available somewhere if that happened. If not then it doesn't matter anyway. This shit is long done.

 

[Doppel]

Can you show me the law where it says a cop can't step into your "personal space?" Guess what, when you're acting like a petulant, foul-mouthed child like the douchebag did (and THAT was bonehead mistake number 1) just about any cop is going to get in your face. The guy also took 2 steps toward the cop after the cop had closed, which was bonehead mistake 2 and the final mistake he made. You also claim the guy was punched. The video shows no evidence of that happening. What it looks like is the cop grabbed him and took him to the ground, nothing more.

This video, btw, is 2 years old. Does anyone have any evidence that the cop was fired, sued, or even reprimanded for this action? There should be some public information available somewhere if that happened. If not then it doesn't matter anyway. This shit is long done.

So you think a cop can enter your personal space but not you his? I agree with every word Humble said in the post you responded to with yours here.

Here is the difference between a police officer and a pig:

Police Officer: Identifies a potential physical confrontation and calms everybody down so that it doesn't get physical. Most cops know this and strive toward it day to day.
Pig: Takes a situation that never would have gotten physical (the "stepping" was never to be taken as a physical threat--why the fuck would a person call the cops and then attack one in this scenario?) and makes it physical.

That is why the cop must be referred to in a derogatory manner, because it's what he earned with his behavior. Punched or whatever it doesn't matter, the guy was assaulted.

I do think too many cops are taken from military ranks, and in some cases--for example this one--police training does not sufficiently pull them away from the combat environment in their head, so they resort to violence when it is not the best path forward.