BTW I just upgraded my second system today. (a lot) so the results are going to be higher then they were at the beginning of this discussion. FYI.
WTF!!! P4 SUCKS!!!!!! I played and finished this game on my Athlon XP 1700+ with lowly PC2100. It ran it completely lag free at 1600x1200 on that system with a GF3 ti200. Now with this 2.4 ghz P4 with DDR400 and a GF4 ti4400 it lags like a bitch at 800x600. In both rigs I've got all the settings maxed including the advanced setup. I tried it on this P4 here. Really nice frames in other games. Benches well. For this game though, the omaha scene is doing 20fps!!!! When I go over to the athlon XP 1700+ a few feet away with the same settings and a much weaker video card it's doing 40. What gives? Why does the P4 SUCK at this game so bady? My 1.6a @ 2.13 really sucks at it to. Why the frick does the Athlon spank the P4 here and why did I waste my money on this Intel crap?
I go down to the 40's (sometimes dips to 30's for a sec) in the Omaha beach on a XP2000+ with 512MB DDR cas 2. Does it really go down in the 20's on the P4? That's pretty weak considering it's running at 2GHz+. That's why I don't like the P4, you don't have guarenteed performance, sometimes it flies, other times it's like a snail (even at 2GHz+).
Yeah, I just double and tripple checked all rigs with benches and other games to make sure they're all performing up to par. In other games, the P4 kicks butt but in this one both P4s are only half as fast as the athlon. Triple checked all settings and it's all good. VERY DISAPPOINTING! I'm glad that I played the game through on that system! Maybe I'll go back to using the 1700+ full time. I've been a big fan of intel since the release of the northwood but I'm really disheartened now. So sad. I guess the name of this thread should be "anyone in here with a fast PROCESSOR able to play..." So sad. Anyway, with the 1700+ and ti200 I get 40fps. With the P4 2.4 or 2.13 and a ti4400 I get around 20. Stupid intel.
Maybe you shouldn't switch for just one benchmark. I mean the P4 flies in Prime 95 
Can anyone else with a P4 rig try the Omaha beach and see what your fps are?
Can anyone else with a P4 rig try the Omaha beach and see what your fps are?Don't get me wrong. It flies in my other games and all benches. I have no probs with any other games which would seem to imply that this is a poorly coded game. It's just dissapointing.
Yea, I know, you want it to be the fastest at everything... But it shouldn't be the game that is poorly written since it's built on the Q3 engine which does well on the P4 otherwise.
But it shouldn't be the game that is poorly written since it's built on the Q3 engine which does well on the P4 otherwise.well, all other quake 3 engine games do fabulously on both the athlon xp and the p4. Not this one. What else would you attribute it to?
Just for kicks, I reinstalled MOH:AA on my system to see what kinda FPS I would get on my 2.26ghz P4, 512mb DDR@344mhz, GeForce4 Ti 4400@290/607. The first test I tried was starting out the Omaha Beach level @ 800x600 @ 32bpp with every single detail maxed (volumetric smoke, trilinear filtering, complex shadows, the works). I turned on GOD mode so I could run around freely, and getting out of the boat I get about 35fps. As I run closer to the stronghold, I dip down to 15fps. Then I turned around and started running around seeing how low my FPS got, lowest I saw was 9fps.
A bit perturbed, I tried playing around with the settings. After turning off volumetric smoke and changing to bilinear filtering, I still got the same results (~15fps) so then I tried changing from complex to simple shadows. Voila! Went from 15fps to 40fps+ in the same exact area. So that one setting is the big FPS killer (I turned trilinear filtering and volumetric smoke on again and still got the same 40fp+). As for visual quality, I couldn't tell a difference at all, in fact with either shadow settings I couldn't see any kind of shadows on NPC models or on the barricades.
Next I tried 1600x1200 @ 32bpp with all settings maxed except for complex shadows and restarted the Omaha Beach level. FPS ranged from the mid-50s coming out of the boat to low-20s as I came up to the stronghold and started running around with bombs going off, tracers everywhere, and men all around me dying. The average seemed to be in the mid-30s.
So there ya go, if you're having FPS problems in MOHAA, try turning off complex shadows if you have it on. For me at least, it was the biggest performance boost.
A bit perturbed, I tried playing around with the settings. After turning off volumetric smoke and changing to bilinear filtering, I still got the same results (~15fps) so then I tried changing from complex to simple shadows. Voila! Went from 15fps to 40fps+ in the same exact area. So that one setting is the big FPS killer (I turned trilinear filtering and volumetric smoke on again and still got the same 40fp+). As for visual quality, I couldn't tell a difference at all, in fact with either shadow settings I couldn't see any kind of shadows on NPC models or on the barricades.
Next I tried 1600x1200 @ 32bpp with all settings maxed except for complex shadows and restarted the Omaha Beach level. FPS ranged from the mid-50s coming out of the boat to low-20s as I came up to the stronghold and started running around with bombs going off, tracers everywhere, and men all around me dying. The average seemed to be in the mid-30s.
So there ya go, if you're having FPS problems in MOHAA, try turning off complex shadows if you have it on. For me at least, it was the biggest performance boost.
BFG10K
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I didn't say you were lying, however your definition of smooth might not equal mine so without any hard numbers, you can't compare your results to mine.
85 FPS (which can be disabled).
What on earth are you talking about? How can you be an avid FPS gamer when you don't even know what a standard frame rate counter does? If doesn't make anything move at "light" speed.
Tell me, do you even know how to enable the framerate counter in MOHAA? Have you ever enabled it in any FPS?
That's right, we can see you're not giving any numbers and that's where the whole problem is. I can see it slow down and I have numbers to prove it.
Not anymore.
Mine's overclocked as well.
Yet again you spew more crap without having a shred of evidence to back up your claims. You think the SB128 PCI is slow? OK, show me the results of the tests that you've done that compares the framerate hit compared to other sound cards.
The fact that you didn't even know how to enable the framerate counter doesn't surprise me at all.
Funny, mine never goes that low. For your all your whining about how your system is faster than mine, my rig doesn't dip lower than the mid 30s in any part of that mission and that's using my 2.2 GHz results. Of course now that it's at 2.4 GHz it'll probably stay above 40 FPS at all times. Perhaps you have the configuration error that makes your P4 run slower than it should.
Also it sounds like you can't see slowdowns like I can as you're maintaining that your Palomino's 40 FPS is smooth. 40 FPS is not smooth. I can detect a score like that that and if somebody asked me whether I have slowdowns in this game (like they did in this very thread) then I'd report it as a "yes", even if I'd never used a framerate counter.
And without even knowing how to activate the framerate counter I wonder how this guy managed to "deduce" this.
No, it doesn't drop that low - my 2.2 GHz rig never dipped below the mid 30s and at 2.4 GHz it'll now be even better, plus don't forget the other people running RDRAM rigs. I don't know what this guy is doing but if I were you I'd take anything he says with a grain of salt.
If you believe that the soundblaster 128 will get anywhere near the frame rates of the audigy. You're a stone cold idiot. Tech-report's site is down for the moment which is the review I like to link to since they compare so many soundcards. At any rate there are so many reviews out there that show a huge change in FPS between the audigy, the live, the santa cruz, and the c-media chipset used in the muse XL and some integrated audio. I don't know how you can be ignorant of this. In this review from toms we can observe a 25 fps difference between modern cards. Since the SB 128 is by no means modern you can imagine how it stacks up. You asked for the link and there it is. I can't give you one for the SB128 because it's such an outdated piece of crap that no one has a review of it with FPS comparisons of it anymore. It doesn't get anywhere near the FPS of audigy or TBSC especially with EAX enabled. Hell, the C-media in this board does around 10% more cpu utilization as does the Muse XL with the same chipset (tech-report) which is also a much better card then the SB128.
FACT-I do have a faster system IN THIS GAME then you. It's my athlon XP 1700+. It runs smooth as silk. My P4 runs choppy as a hellicopter. The Athlon XP just beats the P4 hands down in this game
FACT-I do have a faster system IN THIS GAME then you. It's my athlon XP 1700+. It runs smooth as silk. My P4 runs choppy as a hellicopter. The Athlon XP just beats the P4 hands down in this game
anyone able to run with shadows complex on any game with good framerates? i mean shadows totally kill performance. I always set shadows to simple so i can use AA. shadows suck ass.
BFG10K, I agree mostly with what you have been saying. However, the SB128 probably does reduce your performance a bit. If not, the sound quality must be affected. That card is simply outdated and I highly doubt it posts performance numbers comparable to more modern cards. Of course, it might not make a difference when it comes to minimum framerate because I doubt the card is any kind of bottleneck in that situation. Your average framerate should improve with the addition of a new sound card.
Most people think MOHAA must be slow/laggy, because of how the mouse responds even if you tweak it up to max sensitivity in the menus.
There is a console command you can use to fix that - sensitivity.
Look for a line similar to this in the .cfg files and alter it to approx 25.000000
seta sensitivity "5.000000"
Greg
There is a console command you can use to fix that - sensitivity.
Look for a line similar to this in the .cfg files and alter it to approx 25.000000
seta sensitivity "5.000000"
Greg
i play moh with graphics set at 1280x1024 32bit with no lag. i currently have a p4 1.6 and a gainward geforce 3 ti200.
BFG10K
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In a standard two speaker sound setup (which is what I use) it most certainly will. The SB128's drivers have been around for a long time and they're quite fast.
Yet not one of them show a SB128 PCI. What a waste of time even mentioning those reviews.
With A3D enabled, yes. But again as I said before, I use a two speaker setup with 3D sound disabled.
With 3D sound disabled I'm quite confident it can get quite close.
My P4 has always run the game smooth as smooth as silk for the most part (except when GPU limitations kick in) so I guess that means my P4 has been setup better than yours.
But its' MHz advantage more than makes up for this fact.
I have no problems with omahaa beach, it's just that damn forrest level with the snow. All the trees slows down my fps. It's not unplayable, just not as smooth as I would like. I'm running AMD XP 1600+ 256MB of DDR Asus A7V266-E Asus GeForce 2 mx 400, oc'd to 200mhz core and fsb. The rest of the game is fine, just that one set of levels in the snowy forest. Which isn't unbearable, just annoying. Other than that I can play anything I want right now....but when Doom III comes out, might have to go for the GeForce 4
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