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Anyone heard of "Quixtar", sounds like a Mulit-level Marketing scam...

Does it have anything to do with water purifiers?

I almost fell for a similar scheme several years ago the companies name was Equinox ...
 
It's an offshoot of that dreaded "AMWAY" cult, (of which my sister is a member).
Anyway, it's web based, multi-level marketing, with a dash of a pyramid scheme thrown
in for good measure.....at least that was my opinion of it.
 


<< They tried to recruit me. Stay away. They have Pyramid Scheme written all over them. >>


They kept coming into Best Buy and trying to recruit me while I was at work. Security had them removed from the store.
 


<< it's nothing more than a social cult. these ppl are brainwashed and then they try to convert you... it's really annoying. >>

Dude... they're not a cult. My great aunt was into it hardcore and she's not a psycho. Well... she's out of it now, but all it is is a multi-level marketing pyramid scheme.

nik
 
quixtar sux. some dude was trying to recruit me in compusa last year. dude just walks up to me and goes...

him: so, you in the market for a cdrw?
me: nah... just browsing. getting ready for black friday
him: yeah, good idea. so what school do u go to?
me: well, i got kicked out of harvard and i go to yale. but i work at harvard now.
him: oh i see. have you ever thought about going into business for yourself?
me: yeah, but each time i get an idea, it gets shot down becuz the start up costs are just too much.
him: true. what kinda business would u want to be in? what kinda stuff do u like?
me: computers and stuff.
him: great. listen... i have my own business. i am looking for a few good people to help me out. you look like a very intelligent guy, and i could use a young person like you. would you be interested in hearing more about it?
me: uhh... ok. what kinda business is it?
him: it's an ecommerce business. i have my own website and all.
me: oh really? what is the url?
him: well, you'd need to have a username and password to get into the website, so its pretty useless for me to give u the url now. do you have a number where i can give u a call? here... take my card.

so whatever. at this point, i had no idea what the heck he was talking about. its like when i asked him about his business, he tells me ecommerce. thanx genius! thats like me asking him "so what do u like to eat" and he says "food".
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anyway, so like a week goes by and i get this call outta nowhere from this dude. basically, we make an appointment to go to a seminar about his busniess at some hotel. he's all telling me to dress business oriented and sh!t (suit and tie). i really didn't want to do it becuz i am lazy and it was sounding kinda fishy being he's barely telling me anything about his business. for all i know he might be running a pr0n site from that hotel, and he wants me to feature model that nite. i really did not want anything to do with this stuff, but he seemed like a nice guy and i found it hard to say no. what a sucker eh?

anyway, i go there and there are a surprising number of ppl there. i would say a good 60 people (but now that i think about it, probably 45 of them were their own goons). so they give this presentation about how e-business is the wave of the future... and that within the next 10 years... B&M shopping malls will be pretty much obsolete in favor of online malls. they go on about "franchising"... basically comparing themselves to McDonalds. they throw a bunch of statistics at us (ie - how their company gets more hits per day than amazon.com), and tell us about their partners, which include microsoft, ibm, cisco, etc. the idiot that i am, i was quite impressed. then they have all these dudes come up and talk about how they "made it in the business". they give their testimonials about how great it is and how their family is financially secure and chillin' at home all day. at the end, they talk about some HUGE convention they just so happen to be having in virginia this weekend (i am in NJ). "it's so great", "you'll learn so much", "i'm so excited", "you have to go, it will change your life"... this was the kinda BS being thrown into my face.

the meeting ends, and i go with whoever the prick is that i was with. lets call him prick. so prick and i sit down in the lounge of the hotel and he's asking me if i'm excited, and isn't this a great opportunity? it was so funny too, becuz he was so obviously faking it. he's trying to act as if he was genuinely pumped up, but i just didn't get that vibe of him being sincere and really excited. anyway, he automatically assumes i am going down to virginia that weekend, and ask me for arrangements to meet up and stuff. WHOA NELLY! hold your horses buddy. dialog was something like this:

him: so you'll be coming down to virginia with me and my partners. we already have a hotel room booked.
me: well, it sounds great and all, but i don't think i can make it.
him: no? why not? this is an incredible business opportunity. this is an anual convention... it only happens once a year. you really should go.
me: as great as it sounds, i really can't. i have an exam on monday, and being that i am trying to get my grades up so i can transfer back to harvard, i really don't think i should mess up this exam.
him: you look like a smart guy. i am sure the exam will work itself out. come with us.
me: *dumbfounded look* 😕

well anyway, i got him off my back about going to virginia. we went back and forth about the same sh!t for a good 15 minutes and in the end, i was like "look, i appreciate your concern, but you're not gonna change my mind". or something like that. so he gives me this tape to listen to and some brochures to check out. so next week rolls around and i've been doing some research about quixtar. i been reading up websites from a search on google, and a great number of ppl do not think very highly of them. i read about how a lot of ppl was sold the quixtar dream, but didn't make it and lost $$$. so i decided then and there that i wanted out. i have yet to put any $$$ into this business, nor do i plan to. so i call up prick and tell him i have to give him back his brochures and tapes. i get to his house...

him: hey, come on in.
me: hey prick, here's your stuff. so how was the convention?
him: oh... yeah, it was so awesome. you really should've went. i learned so much.
me: well, i'm glad u enjoyed it. anyway, i wanted to talk to you about the business.
him: ok, sure. have a seat.
me: oh... no thanx, i won't be staying long. i just wanted to let you know that i don't think this business is right for me.
him: oh? can you tell me why you feel that way?
me: i've been doing a little research on quixtar, and i just feel that this is not the kinda business i want to be in.
him: what about you're dreams? what about being able to retire your parents? what about being able to retire at age 30? don't you want that?
me: of course i do. but i don't feel this is the right path for me.
him: so just out of curiousity, what did you hear that was so bad that you want to get out of this business?
me: well, i don't think thats really important.
him: i bet you read the article from [some dude... i forgot his name] right?
me: actually, no i did not. i have seen his name mentioned tho, but his articles have been removed from most websites becuz of some legal actions.
him: why do you believe those websites?
me: why should i believe you?
him: well, would those ppl invite you to their own home?
me: i don't know, but just becuz u invited me to your house does not mean i should trust you or believe what you say. and anyway, i am only hearing one perspective from you. of course you're not going to tell me the pro's and con's of the business. i'm just a recruit for you, so of course you are gonna tell me the business is awesome.
him: well i am not gonna be responsible for your financial future. remember what you said about helping your parents? they raised you for 20+ years and here is your chance to give back to them.
me: i've also read more then a few testimonials about ppl who lost a lot of money in quixtar. their uplines tells them its ok, and to keep putting money in. it will all come back eventually. so they do, and they never see a penny of it back.
him: i'm glad you mentioned that, becuz i was going to show you a check i just recieved today from the business for $2000.
me: good for you. i am glad you are succeeding. but i still do not feel that i will be want to be in this business.

man i was like arguing with the dude. he was getting all pissed off too... trying to lay a guilt trip on me. i pretty much had to run out and slam the door shut in the middle of his next retort. so anyway... yeah... quixtar... i think its bad news. wow... this might be the longest post i ever had. is anyone going to read it all the way thru, or have i just wasted 40 minutes? 😱
 
Yeah, Quixtar is a big scam. We've got this kid at my job that's always trying to get people into it. He claims he's making all this money as an "IBO" yet he drives a piece of sh#t car and still has to come into work every day!
 


<< wow... this might be the longest post i ever had. is anyone going to read it all the way thru, or have i just wasted 40 minutes? 😱 >>


i read the whole thing dude
 
Amway is not a "scam" and I doubt Quixtar is either(btw I am not a member of it). It is your typical MLM business, which if it meets certain qualifications, has been found by the US Govt. to be a legitimate business. Not all of them are, for instance the one RossMan mentioned, Equinox, was exposed on 20-20 a few years back for their shady business practices. It is caveat emptor, but MLM in general are not scams as long as they meet test set aside by the govt.

BTW, Rich Devos, co-founder of Amway corp, owns the Orlando Magic (he wrote a check for the entire balance for the team when he bought them). Amway is one of a few privately held companies with zero long-term debt and a very high financial rating.

I was in Amway in college, got out after a few months because I don't like pressure marketing, but during my research found out a lot about network marketing/MLM.
 
Quixstar is a spin off Amway which is not a scam.
Amway has been around for about 40+ years now. They started off selling dish drops 😛
I believe the owner of Amway is in the top 50 on Forbe's richest man in the world list

You definitely can make money off it, my mother made about $4k a month with about a $4k to $5k yearly bonus + a yearly all expenses paid trip from Amway all the while doing it as a part time job.

My father was skeptical at first also, but when he saw the income, all the doubts went away 🙂

Anways, Amway is not everyone's cup of tea or everyone would be millionaires 🙂
You have to be aggressive and definitely not be afriad of rejections.
If i had to save a nickel for everytime that my mother was rejected, i would be a millionaire now.

However, i can guarantee that it is definitely not a scam 🙂
Although there are many so called multi-level marketing scam out there....you have to becareful

edit **also i believe amway owns St. Peter's island in the carribeans **
 
Here is the "secret" to Amway and other similar MLM's. It's more like a nutshell, I guess:

1) buy only products from Amway. Substitute every thing you possibly can for an Amway product. Expect to pay somewhat more for this stuff than normal if you are a conscientious shopper.
2) make other people do the same

That's it. It's kind of like a virus. Viruses reproduce by hijacking regular cells and forcing that cell to manufacture more of the virus instead of doing whatever it normally does.

That's not to say that it won't work for some. But it requires a commitment to the act of being a virus. You have to be excited about the viral activity. I never found the idea very fulfilling. "I can be totally rich as long as I don't mind being a self-important salesman/virus." Only I do mind.
 
Yes, it is a marketing scam. The more you buy, spend, and people you sign up, the more people you have as enemys and less money you have in your pocket.
 
I used to work as a bellboy at a hotel that held several Amway conventions each year. With very few exceptions, the Amway people came in with K-Mart quality suits and rusted out 1970's conversions vans (which they made me valet park and very rarely tipped for :| ). The people who are high up in Amway do well, and the people who do it as a side business can earn extra money if they do it intelligently. However, in my very limited experience, most people in Amway do not fit either category.

ZV

EDIT: For example, I am reminded of the guy who, while trying to recruit me (this was just before Quixtar launched), said that Quixtar would surpass Amazon.com as the number one shopping site within one week of the launch.
 
It's Amway, gone Internet. I knew a guy who was going to retire with that after Christmas of 2000. Oddly enough, he was still coming to work in 2001, so I guess it didn't work out for him.
 
I recently had someone trying to get me to sell Advocare. I am not sure about it. I know people who take it....one is an NFL player, but the scheme seems like all other pyrmid type schemes. You must have a sponsor to start.
 


<< Quixstar is a spin off Amway which is not a scam.
Amway has been around for about 40+ years now. They started off selling dish drops 😛
I believe the owner of Amway is in the top 50 on Forbe's richest man in the world list

You definitely can make money off it, my mother made about $4k a month with about a $4k to $5k yearly bonus + a yearly all expenses paid trip from Amway all the while doing it as a part time job.

My father was skeptical at first also, but when he saw the income, all the doubts went away 🙂

Anways, Amway is not everyone's cup of tea or everyone would be millionaires 🙂
You have to be aggressive and definitely not be afriad of rejections.
If i had to save a nickel for everytime that my mother was rejected, i would be a millionaire now.

However, i can guarantee that it is definitely not a scam 🙂
Although there are many so called multi-level marketing scam out there....you have to becareful

edit **also i believe amway owns St. Peter's island in the carribeans ** >>




My feelings exactly.
Not all MLMs are the same.
Some work, some don't
some a scam, some not

NOT EVERYONE makes money in MLM
why don't they make money?
because not everyone has what it takes to make it in MLM
to make it in any business, it takes alot of hard work.
you put in the hard work you will make it
MLM or not.

just my 2 cents

😉
 
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