Anyone have TV service with Google Fiber?

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Ichinisan

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I was reading this page: https://fiber.google.com/about/

I noticed it says the 2TB "storage box" allows recording 8 shows at once. If it's IP television service, shouldn't storage be in the cloud?

It only makes sense for DVR storage to be done on Google's server. IPTV done properly should be like this:
The provider's system would always be recording a buffer for every channel (unless NO ONE is watching or recording that channel). Since most channels would have a recorded buffer, a user could rewind, even if the channel was just tuned/selected. When 100 viewers try to record the same program, the server only has to store 1 copy...which would be flagged to show in the "recorded programs" list for each of those viewers. Since a buffer is always recording, it would simply move a chunk of buffered data to a semi-permanent location...where it remains until every user has deleted it from their list. When a user deletes it from their recorded programs list, it only deletes that user's flag from the recording unless it is the last remaining user flag...and then the recording would finally be dumped from the DVR server.

I believe it's the way AT&T U-Verse works. Is that kind of thing patented so other IPTV systems can't do it? [We seriously need to stop awarding patents for common sense "ideas."] I can't imagine why Google would choose to put 2TB of failure-prone mechanical HDD storage into every household when a cloud-based DVR solution would offer a superior experience with only a fraction of the storage requirements.

My guess: The 2TB "Storage box" is just for NAS and the bit of information about using it for DVR storage is incorrect. It might be a miscommunication between Google's network people and the marketing people.

Just wondering if I understood that info page correctly.
 
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vshah

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if they stored it in the cloud, they'd have to store a separate copy for each user due to copyright law. that's why storage for dvr is still in-home.

a few companies are in fact doing this - there's one in NYC if i recall. they're getting around copyright law by having a mini antenna for each user and storing separate copies for each user. that way it's not a "public performance" i believe.
 

Ichinisan

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if they stored it in the cloud, they'd have to store a separate copy for each user due to copyright law. that's why storage for dvr is still in-home.
So copyright law now encourages hundreds or thousands of copies when only a single copy is needed? Seems counter-intuitive.

a few companies are in fact doing this - there's one in NYC if i recall. they're getting around copyright law by having a mini antenna for each user and storing separate copies for each user. that way it's not a "public performance" i believe.
Aereo doesn't do the "tiny antennas" to bypass copyright law. They do it to bypass retransmission consent. It's already bullshit that local broadcasters charge MSO TV service providers to HELP THE LOCAL BROADCASTERS DISTRIBUTE THEIR AD-SUPPORTED TV CONTENT TO REACH MORE VIEWERS AND GENERATE MORE AD REVENUE. It's this sort of thing that's causing TV rates to rise steadily.
 
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SheHateMe

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I didn't know Google Fiber was IPTV.

I can't use a tuner card with that.

They aren't even in my area so its not like I could have chosen that if I wanted.
 

Wyndru

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I hope they continue to sprawl out across the country. We really need more competition than TWC and Verizon in my area. They are price gouging asshats with specific interests in mind that cause conflicts between their services...i.e. they want you to have TV and internet, but don't want you to give up the TV service and watch your shows on the internet service they provide.

Although if Google becomes the big fish, I wouldn't be surprised if they also start pushing the ridiculous bundles.
 

Ichinisan

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I didn't know Google Fiber was IPTV.

I can't use a tuner card with that.

They aren't even in my area so its not like I could have chosen that if I wanted.

Can't really say for sure...I just assumed. Even if it's switched digital MPEG2, it would be best if the DVR storage was remote so Google wouldn't have to worry about failure-prone components (mechanical hard drives) in customer premises equipment and they could also get by with far less storage since multiple customers record the same thing.
 
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drebo

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The problem with storing the content for DVRed stuff and then allowing on-demand access to it is that now you're throwing potentially millions of unicast streams across your network. The initial broadcast should be multicast, so bandwidth is going to be significantly less at the distribution and head end nodes.
 

Ichinisan

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The problem with storing the content for DVRed stuff and then allowing on-demand access to it is that now you're throwing potentially millions of unicast streams across your network. The initial broadcast should be multicast, so bandwidth is going to be significantly less at the distribution and head end nodes.

It's not on-demand available to all. Only to those who recorded it.

You have hundreds of streams whether it's one copy in storage or hundreds of copies. That's IPTV. Even live TV is done with individual streams, allowing individuals to pause and rewind (time-shift) any channel with no local storage. That's how AT&T U Verse works.
 

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Can't really say for sure...I just assumed. Event if it's switched digital MPEG2, it would be best if the DVR storage was remote so Google wouldn't have to worry about failure-prone components (mechanical hard drives) in customer premises equipment and they could also get by with far less storage since multiple customers record the same thing.

It is IPTV.
 
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