Anyone going to the Chicago Tax Day Tea Party?

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: palehorse
These protests have nothing to do with any one particular political party, and everything to do with standing up against out-of-control government spending. Period.

Talk about naive. Medicare Part D, passed by the Republican party, added $8 TRILLION in unfunded liabilities to future budgets with nary a tea party to be seen.

Gee, I wonder why. I'm sure everyone was just busy that day. But yeah, this has nothing to do with party politics.

I wasn't there, nor do I care about a general lack of concern in the past, by either party. I care about the here and now, and I care about the out-of-control spending on both sides of the fucking aisle that is taking place in the here and now.

This is "The Year of Change," remember? If that means people are starting to wake up, then fan-fucking-tastic and it's about g'damn time.

I voted for Obama, and I'm still going to protest his spending habits -- as are many of my non-partisan friends.

So, you can shove that partisan bullshit straight up your ass eskimo. Do what you do best and sit at home lubing yourself up for the next big spending bill...

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: palehorse
These protests have nothing to do with any one particular political party, and everything to do with standing up against out-of-control government spending. Period.

Talk about naive. Medicare Part D, passed by the Republican party, added $8 TRILLION in unfunded liabilities to future budgets with nary a tea party to be seen.

Gee, I wonder why. I'm sure everyone was just busy that day. But yeah, this has nothing to do with party politics.

I wasn't there, nor do I care about a general lack of concern in the past, by either party. I care about the here and now, and I care about the out-of-control spending on both sides of the fucking aisle that is taking place in the here and now.

This is "The Year of Change," remember? If that means people are starting to wake up, then fan-fucking-tastic and it's about g'damn time.

I voted for Obama, and I'm still going to protest his spending habits -- as are many of my non-partisan friends.

So, you can shove that partisan bullshit straight up your ass eskimo. Do what you do best and sit at home lubing yourself up for the next big spending bill...

Who gives a shit about what you think? Your comment and mine were both about the tea party protests. You know as well as I do that a pretty sizable majority of the people at these protests vote Republican. When the Republicans passed something that added close to 800% more debt than Obama has so far there was nary a protest. Why would you think that might be? You really think everyone was okay with the first $8 trillion (actually far more when you count in Bush's other debts), but this last $1 trillion really got them mad? Really? You can't possibly be that dumb.

If you can't see how these protests are largely motivated by partisan politics, you're stupid and naive. Maybe you should come back and post in this thread again when you learn how the world really works.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: palehorse
These protests have nothing to do with any one particular political party, and everything to do with standing up against out-of-control government spending. Period.

Talk about naive. Medicare Part D, passed by the Republican party, added $8 TRILLION in unfunded liabilities to future budgets with nary a tea party to be seen.

Gee, I wonder why. I'm sure everyone was just busy that day. But yeah, this has nothing to do with party politics.

I wasn't there, nor do I care about a general lack of concern in the past, by either party. I care about the here and now, and I care about the out-of-control spending on both sides of the fucking aisle that is taking place in the here and now.

This is "The Year of Change," remember? If that means people are starting to wake up, then fan-fucking-tastic and it's about g'damn time.

I voted for Obama, and I'm still going to protest his spending habits -- as are many of my non-partisan friends.

So, you can shove that partisan bullshit straight up your ass eskimo. Do what you do best and sit at home lubing yourself up for the next big spending bill...

Who gives a shit about what you think? Your comment and mine were both about the tea party protests. You know as well as I do that a pretty sizable majority of the people at these protests vote Republican. When the Republicans passed something that added close to 800% more debt than Obama has so far there was nary a protest. Why would you think that might be? You really think everyone was okay with the first $8 trillion (actually far more when you count in Bush's other debts), but this last $1 trillion really got them mad? Really? You can't possibly be that dumb.

If you can't see how these protests are largely motivated by partisan politics, you're stupid and naive. Maybe you should come back and post in this thread again when you learn how the world really works.

I'll be there to protest Bush's and Obama's spending habits -- along with several of my friends doing the same. I could care less what your narrow-minded interpretation of the protest may be.

If it's primarily republicans, so be it... maybe that just means they're not all as dumb as previously thought. If they're at the tea parties, it means they are on the same side of this spending issue as me... and that also means that they're on the right side in more ways than one.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: palehorse
These protests have nothing to do with any one particular political party, and everything to do with standing up against out-of-control government spending. Period.

Talk about naive. Medicare Part D, passed by the Republican party, added $8 TRILLION in unfunded liabilities to future budgets with nary a tea party to be seen.

Gee, I wonder why. I'm sure everyone was just busy that day. But yeah, this has nothing to do with party politics.

I wasn't there, nor do I care about a general lack of concern in the past, by either party. I care about the here and now, and I care about the out-of-control spending on both sides of the fucking aisle that is taking place in the here and now.

This is "The Year of Change," remember? If that means people are starting to wake up, then fan-fucking-tastic and it's about g'damn time.

I voted for Obama, and I'm still going to protest his spending habits -- as are many of my non-partisan friends.

So, you can shove that partisan bullshit straight up your ass eskimo. Do what you do best and sit at home lubing yourself up for the next big spending bill...

Who gives a shit about what you think? Your comment and mine were both about the tea party protests. You know as well as I do that a pretty sizable majority of the people at these protests vote Republican. When the Republicans passed something that added close to 800% more debt than Obama has so far there was nary a protest. Why would you think that might be? You really think everyone was okay with the first $8 trillion (actually far more when you count in Bush's other debts), but this last $1 trillion really got them mad? Really? You can't possibly be that dumb.

If you can't see how these protests are largely motivated by partisan politics, you're stupid and naive. Maybe you should come back and post in this thread again when you learn how the world really works.

I'll be there to protest Bush's and Obama's spending habits -- along with several of my friends doing the same. I could care less what your narrow-minded interpretation of the protest may be.

If it's primarily republicans, so be it... maybe that just means they're not all as dumb as previously thought. If they're at the tea parties, it means they are on the same side of this spending issue as me... and that also means that they're on the right side in more ways than one.

Who cares if they are on the right side of the issue or not? None of the posts quoted have anything to do with whether or not the policy position they are advocating is correct or not. You stated these protests have nothing to do with any one political party, and frankly that's pretty silly.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Andrew1990
Well, no matter what party started it or who did what, you guys do have to agree the government may be a tad out of control on the spending.

Both parties are to be blamed, one more than the other depending on your views.

Nope, I don't agree that the government is out of control on spending.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Who cares if they are on the right side of the issue or not? None of the posts quoted have anything to do with whether or not the policy position they are advocating is correct or not. You stated these protests have nothing to do with any one political party, and frankly that's pretty silly.

I meant that they were not controlled by, or limited to, one particular party -- which is what many, including yourself, are trying to paint them as being.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Who cares if they are on the right side of the issue or not? None of the posts quoted have anything to do with whether or not the policy position they are advocating is correct or not. You stated these protests have nothing to do with any one political party, and frankly that's pretty silly.

I meant that they were not controlled by, or limited to, one particular party -- which is what many, including yourself, are trying to paint them as being.

These protests are fundamentally based around Obama's proposed budget and the stimulus package. Democratic support for the stimulus package and the budget are both around 75% (actually 80%+ for the stimulus). Republican support for it is at about 30% for the stimulus and 15% for the budget.

Any rational person can tell from these numbers what party is by and large filling out these protests. Any rational person with a TV, a radio, or internet access can tell what party is promoting these protests, what party's media allies are pimping these protests, etc. To say that this has 'nothing to do with one particular party' is absolutely ridiculous, and mind bogglingly naive.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Perknose
His question is, where were these same people during the 20 years of runaway Republican deficits.

Where were they during the last 8 years or unrestrained spending?

Can you answer that question?

I can also only answer for myself, and my answer, at least for the past 5 years, is right here, next to you guys. Complaining about the wars, the deficits, the trampling on our rights, all of it.

My question for you all is very similar, where have you gone? Where are you now? Warrantless wiretaps are still supported. We're still in Iraq and we'll now be there for even longer than promised. More troops are headed for the dead-end war in Afghanistan. We're building military base #987 in Italy. Spending is now even more out of control, and projected deficits are growing exponentially it seems.

Where's the change? And where's the outrage?

Sure, you can defend yourselves against the hypocritical Republicans that didn't seem to see any problems during the 8 years Bush was in office. But what about people like myself? I guess I'm a clown.

We needed change, there's no doubt about it. But we're not getting it, you people elected the wrong guy. A lot of people have made that mistake, many times. No shame there. But there's just no excuse in standing quietly by, defending what you were complaining about just yesterday. In doing so, you're no better than the Republicans who elected Bush because he supported a humble foreign policy, opposed nation-building, supported balanced budgets and controlled spending, and then defended him when he did the opposite.

This cheerleading, this "favorite sports team" mentality, it's making hypocrites out of everyone. But it doesn't have to.

As for the protesting, the subject of the OP, it's basically useless. Sure have some fun, but it's not going to change one damn thing. The only kinds of protests that have proven to be effective aren't even legal anymore. I'm sorry if the truth hurts, but in order for protesting to be effective, they have to be disruptive. It's a must. How disruptive can one be in a "free speech zone?" Not very.

 

[trenchfoot]

Some interesting tidbits about who's pushing the Tea Parties along:

"It's been over a month since CNBC's Rick Santelli called for a Chicago "Tea Party" during an impromptu rant against the government "rewarding bad behavior" with bank bailouts and mortgage relief.

Now his barely-thought-out words have crystallized into something of an anti-tax, anti-spending movement, with "Tea Party" protests planned across the country for tax day, April 15.

But Santelli and his network want nothing to do with it. The CNBC pundit is "not going and not in any way involved" in the protests, says spokesman Brian Steel.

They may feel left out come tax day -- Fox News anchors Neil Cavuto and Sean Hannity have signed on with tea parties in Sacramento and Atlanta, respectively, and Newt Gingrich plans to attend a tea party in New York. Organizers say over 300 different protests will happen across the country.

"We have fully confirmed protests in 360 cities," says organizer Eric Odom, who says he is in daily conversation with local organizers and is "very confident that all the protests will happen." At least two of the protests -- the ones featuring Fox personalities -- Odom expects to bring out between five to ten-thousand people from "all walks of life," not just conservatives opposed to the Obama administration's policies."

Eric Odom's Political Roots

"Over the past few months, some great minds on the Right ? people like Patrick Ruffini, Mindy Finn, Eric Odom, and Michael P. Leahy ? have taken the lead in organizing conservatives online. As a result, I believe we?re witnessing a substantial increase in both online participation and enthusiasm among the Rightosphere. Although we haven?t fully established ourselves on Digg or YouTube (yet), we have taken Twitter by storm ? and establishing a significant conservative presence on other websites may be coming very soon."

Above are just a couple of examples of what the righties are doing to take advantage of the Tea Party Protests.

Just doing a casual search of some of the better known Conservative/NeoConservative blogs, websites etc. shows that a lot of the organizers and promoters of these Tea Parties are from the right/far right and are using these Tea Parties as an opportunity to further the repub agenda by attacking Obama's Economic Recovery Policies.

Reminder - I'm posting this to specifically address the idea that these Tea Parties have agenda driven partisan influences, and I am not criticizing any one's personal reasons or political affiliation for why they want to attend these protests.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: Andrew1990

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
What? Did Congress raise taxes and I somehow missed it?

Im not to sure. It seems they are demonstrating against big government in my eyes. I am not an Obama supporter but I personally find this to be some radical GOP protest.

But as they say, Radicals make for quite a show!

Why do you consider the objection to big government such a "radical" thought or position?

It`s interesting that those who throw the big government scenario in peoples faces are the same twits who iether voted for GWB or did`nt vote at all! Or they were too young to vote..lol

 

[boomerang]

Originally posted by: schmedy
There will be 2 here in VT on Wednesday, one in Montpelier, other in Rutland, and the republicans have nothing to do with the ones here, the Libertarian Party is doing all the organizing, and it is not just Federal spending, taxes are out of control here in Vermont, and the answer from the legislature is to tax us more. I will be at the one in Montpelier, not driving to Rutland.

The main impetus behind them in Michigan is the failure of our state government to balance the budget by reducing spending. Our unemployment rate is nearly the highest if not the highest in the nation. We're not alone here, in that hours, wages and benefits are being reduced. The people of our state are getting by on far less, but our government feels they should get more. Hell, it's just easier for them to increase revenue than to make cuts. It's difficult and unpalatable to do the responsible thing.

Our home values have dropped 30% here and yet many are seeing their property taxes increase. I've got a friend whose local taxing authority deemed that his home went up in value 19% last year. He looked at comparable homes that sold in the area only to find that they sold for, on average, 34% less than the prior valuation on his home.

Protest? You bet your ass.

I haven't seen anything in this thread that even remotely resembles a valid argument against tea parties. The majority of the replies are a consortium of Johnny stole my favorite toy posts, grade school level name-calling and whining. Try to grow up. The grownups can protest if they want, about whatever they want. Try to get your heads wrapped around the fact that it doesn't matter what the motives are, who's behind them and who's attending tea parties - they're legal.

Pouting, holding your breath until you turn blue or screaming at the top of your lungs that "it's not fair" isn't going to work in the grownup world.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Who cares if they are on the right side of the issue or not? None of the posts quoted have anything to do with whether or not the policy position they are advocating is correct or not. You stated these protests have nothing to do with any one political party, and frankly that's pretty silly.

I meant that they were not controlled by, or limited to, one particular party -- which is what many, including yourself, are trying to paint them as being.

These protests are fundamentally based around Obama's proposed budget and the stimulus package. Democratic support for the stimulus package and the budget are both around 75% (actually 80%+ for the stimulus). Republican support for it is at about 30% for the stimulus and 15% for the budget.

Any rational person can tell from these numbers what party is by and large filling out these protests. Any rational person with a TV, a radio, or internet access can tell what party is promoting these protests, what party's media allies are pimping these protests, etc. To say that this has 'nothing to do with one particular party' is absolutely ridiculous, and mind bogglingly naive.

And so what? Perhaps when we run deficit spending to 13% of GDP it is finally time for people to get off their ass and complain?

So your complaint is these people tolerated Bush's spending and are intolerant of Obama's bigger spending? Who cares, time somebody made some noise surrounding our out of control spending in govt.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Andrew1990
Well, no matter what party started it or who did what, you guys do have to agree the government may be a tad out of control on the spending.

Both parties are to be blamed, one more than the other depending on your views.

Nope, I don't agree that the government is out of control on spending.

For my children's and grandchildren's sake, pull you head out of your ass.



"We will each and every one of us have to compromise on certain things we care about, but which we simply cannot afford right now. That's a sacrifice we're going to have to make," Obama said.
.... as he munched on his wagyu beef.

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

I'll be going to take pictures possibly but I won't be supporting it. Anyways seems like a commercial ploy to sell a bunch of merchandise to easy marks.

 

[eleison]

Originally posted by: bl4ckfl4g
I'll be going to take pictures possibly but I won't be supporting it. Anyways seems like a commercial ploy to sell a bunch of merchandise to easy marks.

Cool.. for support of the tea parties, if they have tshirts, I'm buying one. Can't wait to start wearing and advertising it while playing softball this summer. Take that you chicago libs with your high taxes, insane meter fees, and corrupt politicians.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Andrew1990
Well, no matter what party started it or who did what, you guys do have to agree the government may be a tad out of control on the spending.

Both parties are to be blamed, one more than the other depending on your views.

Nope, I don't agree that the government is out of control on spending.

For my children's and grandchildren's sake, pull you head out of your ass.



"We will each and every one of us have to compromise on certain things we care about, but which we simply cannot afford right now. That's a sacrifice we're going to have to make," Obama said.
.... as he munched on his wagyu beef.

Debt to GDP ratio is what's important, and I think we'll end up just fine in that regard. It's been much higher in the past, and other countries function just fine with higher debt/GDP ratios.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Who cares if they are on the right side of the issue or not? None of the posts quoted have anything to do with whether or not the policy position they are advocating is correct or not. You stated these protests have nothing to do with any one political party, and frankly that's pretty silly.

I meant that they were not controlled by, or limited to, one particular party -- which is what many, including yourself, are trying to paint them as being.

These protests are fundamentally based around Obama's proposed budget and the stimulus package. Democratic support for the stimulus package and the budget are both around 75% (actually 80%+ for the stimulus). Republican support for it is at about 30% for the stimulus and 15% for the budget.

Any rational person can tell from these numbers what party is by and large filling out these protests. Any rational person with a TV, a radio, or internet access can tell what party is promoting these protests, what party's media allies are pimping these protests, etc. To say that this has 'nothing to do with one particular party' is absolutely ridiculous, and mind bogglingly naive.

And so what? Perhaps when we run deficit spending to 13% of GDP it is finally time for people to get off their ass and complain?

So your complaint is these people tolerated Bush's spending and are intolerant of Obama's bigger spending? Who cares, time somebody made some noise surrounding our out of control spending in govt.

God damn it, none of my posts were about if they were right or not. They were just calling out palehorse for stupidly saying they had nothing to do with politics.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Who cares if they are on the right side of the issue or not? None of the posts quoted have anything to do with whether or not the policy position they are advocating is correct or not. You stated these protests have nothing to do with any one political party, and frankly that's pretty silly.

I meant that they were not controlled by, or limited to, one particular party -- which is what many, including yourself, are trying to paint them as being.

These protests are fundamentally based around Obama's proposed budget and the stimulus package. Democratic support for the stimulus package and the budget are both around 75% (actually 80%+ for the stimulus). Republican support for it is at about 30% for the stimulus and 15% for the budget.

Any rational person can tell from these numbers what party is by and large filling out these protests. Any rational person with a TV, a radio, or internet access can tell what party is promoting these protests, what party's media allies are pimping these protests, etc. To say that this has 'nothing to do with one particular party' is absolutely ridiculous, and mind bogglingly naive.

And so what? Perhaps when we run deficit spending to 13% of GDP it is finally time for people to get off their ass and complain?

So your complaint is these people tolerated Bush's spending and are intolerant of Obama's bigger spending? Who cares, time somebody made some noise surrounding our out of control spending in govt.

God damn it, none of my posts were about if they were right or not. They were just calling out palehorse for stupidly saying they had nothing to do with politics.

I never said that it had "nothing to do with politics" -- that would be ridiculous. I said that the protests were not limited to, or controlled by, any one particular party.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: palehorse

I never said that it had "nothing to do with politics" -- that would be ridiculous. I said that the protests were not limited to, or controlled by, any one particular party.

By any reasonable measure the protests are overwhelmingly Republican. Period.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: palehorse

I never said that it had "nothing to do with politics" -- that would be ridiculous. I said that the protests were not limited to, or controlled by, any one particular party.

By any reasonable measure the protests are overwhelmingly Republican. Period.

The one in Des Moines on Saturday had a pretty good mix from what I heard(from people who were there). Plenty of "libertarians", Conservatives, and even some democrats who are concerned about the size and scope of government...
You'd have a better argument if you stated they are overwhelmingly "fiscal conservative" people.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
You'd have a better argument if you stated they are overwhelmingly "fiscal conservative" people.

That I would agree with.

If Republicans comprise the majority of the protesters, then I guess they are the party that is on the correct side of this issue.

However, I highly doubt that my friends and I will be the only open-minded independents at the one in DC.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
You'd have a better argument if you stated they are overwhelmingly "fiscal conservative" people.

That I would agree with.

If Republicans comprise the majority of the protesters, then I guess they are the party that is on the correct side of this issue.

However, I highly doubt that my friends and I will be the only open-minded independents at the one in DC.

My argument is just fine the way it is, and like I've said three times now, I never commented on whether or not I thought they were on the right side of the issue. (I don't, but whatever) Looking at the polling data for opinions on the issues related to the tea parties shows pretty clearly what party will represent the vast majority of those attending.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
I never commented on whether or not I thought they were on the right side of the issue. (I don't, but whatever).

It's nice to know that you believe that our Federal Government's current spending habits are just peachy.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: eskimospy
I never commented on whether or not I thought they were on the right side of the issue. (I don't, but whatever).

It's nice to know that you believe that our Federal Government's current spending habits are just peachy.

You realize that I already think you're an idiot, right? Why would I care about your ideas on spending?

 

[jpeyton]

Why would anyone go to this?

I imagine it'll be a lot like watching a Faux News show live.