Anyone for tax hike to support family making $55,200?

[maluckey]

How about tax raises for EVERY single taxpayer, so you can insure (healthcare) app. 30.9 million people under 25 that earn up to 55,200 dollars per anum (family of four, adjusted by region). That's what Howard Dean sees as our future.

I disagree with this taxation. Where's the personal responsibilty? $55.200 is not that poor that you cannot afford a 300 per month payment to support your family by way of medical insurance. I pay it on the same salary as he uses for the cutoff. Socialist style taxation is not the way to reform healthcare. Why not have contracted doctors, and hospitals, with a minimum annual payout to the hospitals, guaranteed? If the uninsured have to visit these locations instead of the local Emergency Room, it would be cheaper, and more easily monitored for efficiency. It would also relieve responsible taxpayers from carrying the irresponsible.

Just a thought....

 

[MonstaThrilla]

Howard Dean hasn't fully unveiled his full tax plan for the campaign, he's waiting for Bush to show his hand first. Doesn't seem to be hurting him all too much in the primaries...

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
Howard Dean hasn't fully unveiled his full tax plan for the campaign, he's waiting for Bush to show his hand first. Doesn't seem to be hurting him all too much in the primaries...

Yeah

Now all of a sudden he thinks he can say he's "working on" a tax-cut for middle class people, well I don't think people are going to buy it. He's been chanting about repealing all of Bush's tax-cuts(so he can pay for more programs) for too long.

I guess we'll see if he can pull off this trick or not.

CkG

 

[Spencer278]

yeah those damn irresponsible 6 year olds with out health insurance they should get there ass in gear and start paying. I would make the cut off at 18 unless going to school then charge and add the amount to school loans. Also I would let self-employed buy into the goverment health insurance provided they also buy in for any employees.

 

[MonstaThrilla]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
Howard Dean hasn't fully unveiled his full tax plan for the campaign, he's waiting for Bush to show his hand first. Doesn't seem to be hurting him all too much in the primaries...

Yeah

Now all of a sudden he thinks he can say he's "working on" a tax-cut for middle class people, well I don't think people are going to buy it. He's been chanting about repealing all of Bush's tax-cuts(so he can pay for more programs) for too long.

I guess we'll see if he can pull off this trick or not.

CkG

He STILL wants to repeal all the Bush tax cuts. Then, he'll put a fiscally responsible, sane tax cut package for the middle class on top of it.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
Howard Dean hasn't fully unveiled his full tax plan for the campaign, he's waiting for Bush to show his hand first. Doesn't seem to be hurting him all too much in the primaries...

Yeah

Now all of a sudden he thinks he can say he's "working on" a tax-cut for middle class people, well I don't think people are going to buy it. He's been chanting about repealing all of Bush's tax-cuts(so he can pay for more programs) for too long.

I guess we'll see if he can pull off this trick or not.

CkG

He STILL wants to repeal all the Bush tax cuts. Then, he'll put a fiscally responsible, sane tax cut package for the middle class on top of it.

Right...

"he's working on it" Yeah, because he knows he won't be elected if he raises taxes on the middle class. Too bad repealing the Bush cuts would infact raise taxes on everyone who pays taxes and would actually make more low income people pay taxes. Meh - we'll see if he can pull it off

CkG

 

[MonstaThrilla]

Well he's gonna bill it as "Bush's tax cuts were tilted drastically to the rich and corporations. I want to get rid of those, and here's my tax cut for the middle class and small business".

 

[dirtboy]

I think taxes are too low. We should be taxed like this:

0 to 32,000 at 0%
32,000+ at 100%

I think every family should be able to live on 32k. The extra money can be used to get us out of debt and pay for all the social services we so desperately need.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: maluckey
How about tax raises for EVERY single taxpayer, so you can insure (healthcare) app. 30.9 million people under 25 that earn up to 55,200 dollars per anum (family of four, adjusted by region). That's what Howard Dean sees as our future.

I disagree with this taxation. Where's the personal responsibilty? $55.200 is not that poor that you cannot afford a 300 per month payment to support your family by way of medical insurance. I pay it on the same salary as he uses for the cutoff. Socialist style taxation is not the way to reform healthcare. Why not have contracted doctors, and hospitals, with a minimum annual payout to the hospitals, guaranteed? If the uninsured have to visit these locations instead of the local Emergency Room, it would be cheaper, and more easily monitored for efficiency. It would also relieve responsible taxpayers from carrying the irresponsible.

Just a thought....

Do you actually have a link to Dean's proposal that says this?

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: maluckey
How about tax raises for EVERY single taxpayer, so you can insure (healthcare) app. 30.9 million people under 25 that earn up to 55,200 dollars per anum (family of four, adjusted by region). That's what Howard Dean sees as our future.

But what about the poor, unemployed and illegals?

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: dirtboy
I think taxes are too low. We should be taxed like this:

0 to 32,000 at 0%
32,000+ at 100%

I think every family should be able to live on 32k. The extra money can be used to get us out of debt and pay for all the social services we so desperately need.

No no you've got it all wrong.

0 to 55,200 at +50% (they get 25% bonusevery year, we've got to get these poor people into the middle class!)
55,200 at 0% (we just love the middle class!)
55,201 + at 100% (all rich people must move to the middle class!)

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: maluckey
How about tax raises for EVERY single taxpayer, so you can insure (healthcare) app. 30.9 million people under 25 that earn up to 55,200 dollars per anum (family of four, adjusted by region). That's what Howard Dean sees as our future.

I disagree with this taxation. Where's the personal responsibilty? $55.200 is not that poor that you cannot afford a 300 per month payment to support your family by way of medical insurance. I pay it on the same salary as he uses for the cutoff. Socialist style taxation is not the way to reform healthcare. Why not have contracted doctors, and hospitals, with a minimum annual payout to the hospitals, guaranteed? If the uninsured have to visit these locations instead of the local Emergency Room, it would be cheaper, and more easily monitored for efficiency. It would also relieve responsible taxpayers from carrying the irresponsible.

Just a thought....

Wasn't one of you rightwingers complaining about paying not $300 but $1000+ for medical insurance in the off topic forum
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=38&threadid=1220825&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE=
You think that's bad, wait till Bush's prescription plan goes in full effect. It prohibits the government from negotiating lower prices, therefore drug prices will go up since the drug companies know the govt will pay them. This will raise prices for everyone, just so pharma can charge the government a lot of money.

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: dirtboy
I think taxes are too low. We should be taxed like this:

0 to 32,000 at 0%
32,000+ at 100%

I think every family should be able to live on 32k. The extra money can be used to get us out of debt and pay for all the social services we so desperately need.

No no you've got it all wrong.

0 to 55,200 at +50% (they get 25% bonusevery year, we've got to get these poor people into the middle class!)
55,200 at 0% (we just love the middle class!)
55,201 + at 100% (all rich people must move to the middle class!)

Wow, I think you're right. Your plan is much better than mine!

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: maluckey
How about tax raises for EVERY single taxpayer, so you can insure (healthcare) app. 30.9 million people under 25 that earn up to 55,200 dollars per anum (family of four, adjusted by region). That's what Howard Dean sees as our future.

I disagree with this taxation. Where's the personal responsibilty? $55.200 is not that poor that you cannot afford a 300 per month payment to support your family by way of medical insurance. I pay it on the same salary as he uses for the cutoff. Socialist style taxation is not the way to reform healthcare. Why not have contracted doctors, and hospitals, with a minimum annual payout to the hospitals, guaranteed? If the uninsured have to visit these locations instead of the local Emergency Room, it would be cheaper, and more easily monitored for efficiency. It would also relieve responsible taxpayers from carrying the irresponsible.

Just a thought....

(Your $300 is very off-the-mark)


What sort of "personal responsibility" is possible in an environment where his families abilty is such he can only make 30,000 a year or less? That wage scale will not support accumulatioon of any savings nor pay for a $1200/mo medical insurance plan with other nessesary expenses they have. What to do?

 

[maluckey]

No Zebo, my health plan is 300 and change per month for a family of four. I get OK rates after all is said and done. Postal Insurance is even better than I get though, so I'm thinking about the change.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Originally posted by: maluckey
No Zebo, my health plan is 300 and change per month for a family of four. I get OK rates after all is said and done. Postal Insurance is even better than I get though, so I'm thinking about the change.

You must work for a huge company, have a really high deductible, or something. I'd bet you that there are 5 people paying over 300 to every 1 paying that or less.

Hell, as a single male in my 20s I can't even get covered. So I guess that means I pay less than $300 a month huh?

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: maluckey
No Zebo, my health plan is 300 and change per month for a family of four. I get OK rates after all is said and done. Postal Insurance is even better than I get though, so I'm thinking about the change.

You must work for a huge company, have a really high deductible, or something. I'd bet you that there are 5 people paying over 300 to every 1 paying that or less.

Hell, as a single male in my 20s I can't even get covered. So I guess that means I pay less than $300 a month huh?

He's being willingly obtruse because he knows damn well a family of 5 with middle/lower class earning potential is SOL unless it's heavily subsidized by thier employer...which BTW in this low-wage scale enviroment being crafted is becoming less common. Single, non-smoker, 23, indepedant contractor my brother pays over $500 a month.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: maluckey
No Zebo, my health plan is 300 and change per month for a family of four. I get OK rates after all is said and done. Postal Insurance is even better than I get though, so I'm thinking about the change.

You must work for a huge company, have a really high deductible, or something. I'd bet you that there are 5 people paying over 300 to every 1 paying that or less.

Hell, as a single male in my 20s I can't even get covered. So I guess that means I pay less than $300 a month huh?

He's being willingly obtruse because he knows damn well a family of 5 with middle/lower class earning potential is SOL unless it's heavily subsidized by thier employer...which BTW in this low-wage scale enviroment being crafted is becoming less common. Single, non-smoker, 23, indepedant contractor my brother pays over $500 a month.

$700 bill as self employed to cover myself and wife only for bare minimuns/ no dental or vision

 

[heartsurgeon]

We should be taxed like this:
0 to 32,000 at 0%
32,000+ at 100%

You should move to N. Korea or Cuba, I believe they have a plan like this already in place....

 

[Rob9874]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon

We should be taxed like this:
0 to 32,000 at 0%
32,000+ at 100%

You should move to N. Korea or Cuba, I believe they have a plan like this already in place....

I'm hoping he was joking.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: maluckey
How about tax raises for EVERY single taxpayer, so you can insure (healthcare) app. 30.9 million people under 25 that earn up to 55,200 dollars per anum (family of four, adjusted by region). That's what Howard Dean sees as our future.

I disagree with this taxation. Where's the personal responsibilty? $55.200 is not that poor that you cannot afford a 300 per month payment to support your family by way of medical insurance. I pay it on the same salary as he uses for the cutoff. Socialist style taxation is not the way to reform healthcare. Why not have contracted doctors, and hospitals, with a minimum annual payout to the hospitals, guaranteed? If the uninsured have to visit these locations instead of the local Emergency Room, it would be cheaper, and more easily monitored for efficiency. It would also relieve responsible taxpayers from carrying the irresponsible.

Just a thought....

Wasn't one of you rightwingers complaining about paying not $300 but $1000+ for medical insurance in the off topic forum
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=38&threadid=1220825&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE=
You think that's bad, wait till Bush's prescription plan goes in full effect. It prohibits the government from negotiating lower prices, therefore drug prices will go up since the drug companies know the govt will pay them. This will raise prices for everyone, just so pharma can charge the government a lot of money.

Just assumed some personal responsibility, switched carriers and plans(only increasing my copay slightly), and dropped it to $378. I was "stuck" with that other plan for a while which is why I was bitching.

P.S. I'm sure you know that medical expenses are tax deductible once they pass 7.5% which $300+ a month comes close to for a $55k income. And if you factor in medication and any copays, you've got a decent tax break. Also, companies can now reimburse you for medical expenses, which mine has been doing, and save you both a chunk of money.

 

[biostud]

our (danish) tax system is more less like this :

0-5000$ 9%
5000-30000$ 42%
30000$-50000$ 48%
50000$+ 59%

This give us 100% fre education, money when studying at university or similar, free healthcare, pension, etc. etc.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: biostud666
our (danish) tax system is more less like this :

0-5000$ 9%
5000-30000$ 42%
30000$-50000$ 48%
50000$+ 59%

This give us 100% fre education, money when studying at university or similar, free healthcare, pension, etc. etc.

Ya but even in denmark capital gains gets a free ride. Not only that you have tones of regressive taxes (VAT, Sales, alcohol/tobacco consumption, gas, propety, utilities) all hit lower wage earners dispropotionatly to income.

 

[drewshin]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: maluckey
How about tax raises for EVERY single taxpayer, so you can insure (healthcare) app. 30.9 million people under 25 that earn up to 55,200 dollars per anum (family of four, adjusted by region). That's what Howard Dean sees as our future.

I disagree with this taxation. Where's the personal responsibilty? $55.200 is not that poor that you cannot afford a 300 per month payment to support your family by way of medical insurance. I pay it on the same salary as he uses for the cutoff. Socialist style taxation is not the way to reform healthcare. Why not have contracted doctors, and hospitals, with a minimum annual payout to the hospitals, guaranteed? If the uninsured have to visit these locations instead of the local Emergency Room, it would be cheaper, and more easily monitored for efficiency. It would also relieve responsible taxpayers from carrying the irresponsible.

Just a thought....

Wasn't one of you rightwingers complaining about paying not $300 but $1000+ for medical insurance in the off topic forum
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=38&threadid=1220825&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE=
You think that's bad, wait till Bush's prescription plan goes in full effect. It prohibits the government from negotiating lower prices, therefore drug prices will go up since the drug companies know the govt will pay them. This will raise prices for everyone, just so pharma can charge the government a lot of money.

Just assumed some personal responsibility, switched carriers and plans(only increasing my copay slightly), and dropped it to $378. I was "stuck" with that other plan for a while which is why I was bitching.

P.S. I'm sure you know that medical expenses are tax deductible once they pass 7.5% which $300+ a month comes close to for a $55k income. And if you factor in medication and any copays, you've got a decent tax break. Also, companies can now reimburse you for medical expenses, which mine has been doing, and save you both a chunk of money.

the bush plan seems like the philosphy over at the Hot Deals forum: "I just bought a $700 gizmo for $500, but look at how much money I'm saving!"

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: biostud666
our (danish) tax system is more less like this :

0-5000$ 9%
5000-30000$ 42%
30000$-50000$ 48%
50000$+ 59%

This give us 100% fre education, money when studying at university or similar, free healthcare, pension, etc. etc.

That sounds like a liberal's wet dream! Got room for 265million/2 Americans?