Anyone feeling disenchanted with (most) review sites?

[ModestGamer]

Its sort of odd for anyone posting in this particular forum do dismiss image quality. I mean isn't that essentially what this is all about? We want games to look as good as they possibly can in a playable setting.

I am not dismissing image quality persay. I am saying that feedback from the controls to a driver is more then likely far more important. A good clear picture of the track is important but I really don't care if the seat have fans in them and I certainly don't care about the useless banners etc. Put those resources into more realistic feedback, something we need as drivers.

engine speed, corner markers, wheel feel the sound of the engine and how it respons to the throttle.

I know the biggest things the teams I do work for complain about is getting enough good wheek feedback in the real race car.

So that should tell you something.

The other problem with racing games is that alot of driver develope very accuate inner ear response to Gforce and can judge how well the car is biting seat of the pants.

Its something most racing games are not capable of generating adequately or at all.

 

[RussianSensation]

I bet you've never even pushed your car through a apex properly.

What are you Michael Schumacher of the 3D racing game world? I play racing games for fun, not to perfect a corner as if my career depends on it. If I want to play a racing game at 60fps 8AA, that's my choice. I have $ to spend on a videocard to deliver that. Basically all you care about is 100% realism in a racing game. I enjoy my Dirt 2 just as much as I enjoy Burnout or Forza Motorsports 3. I just enjoy racing games in general. I don't have sleepless nights because I can't shave off 0.2 seconds off my lap time in a videogame. If you enjoy reducing your lap times by 0.2 seconds, that's great. But I am sorry, the whole world is not like you. Over the years, I have had the opportunity to drive an M3, C63 AMG and BMW X6M. That was a lot of fun even if I am just an average driver. I will never brag that I am a great driver in the real world because any great drivers make careers out of it; while everyone else just thinks they are great. That doesn't mean an average driver can't enjoy a car beyond his/her capability though.

This is your argument applied to skiing: "I bet no one on this planet can enjoy skiing unless they ski like Warren Miller. There is no way to enjoy skiing unless you jump from helicopters, ski down from a top of a 6000 ft. mountain and reach speeds in excess of 60mph."

 

[ModestGamer]

What are you Michael Schumacher of the 3D racing game world? I play racing games for fun, not to perfect a corner as if my career depends on it. If I want to play a racing game at 60fps 8AA, that's my choice. I have $ to spend on a videocard to deliver that. If you enjoy reducing your lap times by 0.2 seconds, that's great.

This is your argument applied to skiing: "I bet no one on this planet can enjoy skiing because unless they ski like Warren Miller. There is no way to enjoy skiing unless you jump from helicopters, ski down from a top of a 6000 ft. mountain and reach speeds in excess of 60mph."

Jesus you just can't handle the fact that you lost the debate can you ???? It has nothing to do with being micheal schumacher its all about doing the best I or someone else can do, but that doesn't mean you don't make a effort.

You wouldn't open a can of paint with a sledge hammer would ya ?

Same thing applies here.


BTW what would be the point of a racing game without competition ?

 

[RussianSensation]

BTW what would be the point of doing something I can't enjoy, and then telling me you enjoy that something? My view is that unless I enjoy it, you clearly shouldn't enjoy that. If you do, you are just strange.

Translated.

"The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function." - Francis Scott

You are the same guy that argued with everyone that AMD processors are actually faster than Intel's right? You said the only reason Intel's processors are faster is because they use Intel optimized compilers?


Personal attacks are not acceptable...you know this.

Moderator Idontcare

 

[ModestGamer]

Fixed.

"The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function." - Francis Scott

You are the same guy that argued with everyone that AMD processors are actually faster than Intel's right? You said the only reason Intel's processors are faster is because they use Intel optimized compilers?

Thats not what I actually siad.

welcome to ignore.

 

[RussianSensation]

Thats not what I actually siad.

welcome to ignore.

Originally Posted by MrK6
Intel's CPU's are faster clock for clock (correct), but as you can see by Anandtech's Bench, there are programs that will use all six cores and that's where the X6 comes out ahead (correct). Real cores > logical cores (correct), and if you have applications that can use them, AMD's CPUs are a bargain (correct).

Your response:

"not really."

All you ever do is impose your opinions on others; and create arguments out of nothing.

I apologize to Lonyo for the fact that you have successfully derailed another thread and I took the bait. Sorry OP.


^ RS thank you for having the wherewithal to recognize what has happened here.

Folks, please get this conversation back on topic.

Modertor Idontcare

 

[MrK6]

There are many poor review sites out there. For most cards I usually read Anandtech and [H] thoroughly, and anything else I glance over and glean for information, but take it with a grain of salt. I understand the work, time, and effort that must go into creating these reviews, especially when they're done well (Anandtech and [H]). However, most reviewers wouldn't know what the scientific process was if it hit them in the face, and many times their techniques, work ethics, and conclusions are downright shameful.

 

[nemesismk2]

Its sort of odd for anyone posting in this particular forum do dismiss image quality. I mean isn't that essentially what this is all about? We want games to look as good as they possibly can in a playable setting.

I play my games with max image quality and then increase the resolution.

 

[Dribble]

It is very difficult to find good review sites without any bias. [H] reviews well but they push their likes/dislikes into everything. Anandtech isn't biased in the same way but doesn't have the depth. Xbitlabs is pretty good, although they don't review that much (probably because they have so much detail). They are the ones I'd normally look at.

 

[psoomah]

What I'd most like to see is CF/SLI MIDRANGE cards vs. the most similar performing HIGH END card.

When reviewing a high end card include the closest performing stock clocked CF/SLI mid-range cards in the comparison, in the case of the 580, the 6850CF and 460SLI were both VERY close in performance to the 580, and include minimum framerates and up to date drivers.

When reviewing a midrange card, do the inverse.

When I see two midrange cards in CF/SLI provide acceptable minimum framerates vs. a high end card for the games I'm interested in, at a $50-$200 savings, that's is a very $valuable$ data set.

This is ever more useful as CF/SLI scaling nears 100% and minimum framerates approach single card numbers.

 

[Idontcare]

There are many poor review sites out there. For most cards I usually read Anandtech and [H] thoroughly, and anything else I glance over and glean for information, but take it with a grain of salt. I understand the work, time, and effort that must go into creating these reviews, especially when they're done well (Anandtech and [H]). However, most reviewers wouldn't know what the scientific process was if it hit them in the face, and many times their techniques, work ethics, and conclusions are downright shameful.

+1

 

[nitromullet]

Aside the fact that my German isn't that great, computerbase.de is top choice as well IMO.

AT's reviews are great, but it's probably time to up the Crysis Warhead settings for the GTX 580 SLI review to Enthusiast across the board.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4012/nvidias-geforce-gtx-580-the-sli-update/2

I still wish more sites provided the FRAPS graph showing the entire benchmark run, like [H]. I'd also like to see the frame interval, especially in reviews comparing multi to single gpu. This is one of the stock graphs in FRAPS and frame interval has a huge affect on how smooth your games feel at a given fps, yet no one shows this graph.

I get that reviewers need to get their reviews out the door and make the information quick and easy digestible, but why not have more in depth info available to readers that would like to view it? Maybe put in a compendium article to the main one or just let us download the raw FRAPS numbers.