Anyone feel that ATI/AMD still has better image quality than Nvidia?

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
This is basically the difference in the default color settings of ATi and nVIDIA. Turn up Digital Vibrance up a notch and you will see that change.

Then again, its all up to the person. But technically speaking, nVIDIA has the best AF algorithm, and some of their AA modes are considered to be the best, eg xS hybrid AA mode.

i think it is personal preference as with audio.

IQ for both r600/g80 variants is outstanding for both companies and 'adjustments' will cover most perceived 'differences'. i am willing to bet that 2 identical rigs could set up - except for the video cards, of course - and no one would be able to tell from 'looking' if AMD or nvidia's video card was running the game or video.

i am pretty sure i could tell in the old days
... GeForce vs Rage Fury32

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: qbfx

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: qbfx

Originally posted by: ExarKun333
No.

If by image quality you mean slower frame rates, then yes.

but if by image quality he means who's the top noob in AT, then yes - it's you!

Actually, his statement could be accurate for reasons other than what you'd think at first glance:

[...]

A statement like this I find lame and useless regardless of its authors' intent. This is disinformation, I can say "If by performance you mean slower floating-point operation then yes, Q6600 is better than K6" right

I agree, its a trolling statement. Its clear as day to see. Of course the NV fans will claim that dual GPU cards dont count now, when they did in the past. Hypocrisy as usual.

ATi has the fastest overall card out, deal with it.

Ackmed ol' buddy! Hope the military is treating you well.

Yep, ATi has the fastest single slot card out, no denying it.

 

[trajan2050]

What a trollfest!

 

[BFG10K]

How you "feel" is pretty irrelevant, because numerous IQ comparos on numerous reputable hardware sites have objectively shown that IQ is even these days.

Actually they've objectively shown nVidia's AF is better through having a tighter filter pattern with more uniform coverage and less texture aliasing.

As for AA, that's up for discussion but I have a feeling the xS modes will offer better IQ than CFAA, plus nVidia have the superb CSAA to which ATi have no counter to with a regards to an IQ/performance ratio.

But I agree, comments like "you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference side-by-side" are irrelevant just like they were irrelevant when people claimed they couldn't see the GF7 series shimmer, yet it was objectively provable the cards did.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

How you "feel" is pretty irrelevant, because numerous IQ comparos on numerous reputable hardware sites have objectively shown that IQ is even these days.

Actually they've objectively shown nVidia's AF is better through having a tighter filter pattern with more uniform coverage and less texture aliasing.

As for AA, that's up for discussion but I have a feeling the xS modes will offer better IQ than CFAA, plus nVidia have the superb CSAA to which ATi have no counter to with a regards to an IQ/performance ratio.

But I agree, comments like "you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference side-by-side" are irrelevant just like they were irrelevant when people claimed they couldn't see the GF7 series shimmer, yet it was objectively provable the cards did.

another feeling?

so ... do you really think you could tell by the tiny differences?


otoh, the shimmer was pretty obvious at times, it didn't show up in screenshots and it was more or less fixed with the later drivers ... so not everyone got the pleasure of experiencing it

--and you also think the 2900xt is loud

 

[BFG10K]

so ... do you think you could tell by the tiny differences?

That wasn't really the question though; the question was "Anyone feel that ATI/AMD still has better image quality than Nvidia?".

If someone has that feeling then it can be largely debunked with facts that prove nVidia?s generally superior as of the 8xxx series.

Had the question been "can you tell the difference between ATi and nVidia side-by-side?" or "will I be happy with either vendor?s IQ?" the answer might've been different.

otoh, the shimmer was pretty obvious at times, it didn't show up in screenshots and it was more or less fixed with the later drivers

The shimmering was never fixed because it was inherently tied to the hardware and to using Quality instead of High Quality. All that happened was more people/reviewers started recognizing the issues with Q and began using HQ instead.

What was fixed was HQ's tendency to still shimmer due to a driver issue not deactivating optimizations when it should have.

you also think the 2900xt is loud

I run my card hard (usually 1920x1440 with at least 4xAA, but often more) and I can get it to spin up at times even with an excellent case. Actually it usually spins up more in old games because I use 16xS a lot, a mode that is a brutally taxing.

Given the 2900 XT has higher thermals and higher fan dB readings (objectively and subjectively provable) it would almost certainly sound louder than my 8800 Ultra.

 

[BFG10K]

another feeling?

It can be provable with facts that CFAA would blur the image more than xS modes; of course subjectively someone might well prefer CFAA for its ?softer? image.

The reason I worded it like that was because no comprehensive side-by-side comparison of the modes has ever been done.

 

[apoppin]

The reason I worded it like that was because no comprehensive side-by-side comparison of the modes has ever been done.

why not?


seems useful .... and easy to do

i missed your first post ...

so that is why i rarely experienced shimmering with my 6800GS ... i used HQ ? and i thought the later drivers minimized shimmering compared to the earlier ones i tried

almost certainly

that is an oxymoron

and i really don't know how quiet your ultra is at load so i can't comment
--want to trade?

 

[BFG10K]

why not? seems useful .... and easy to do

The main reason is likely most reviewers don't know the xS modes are available on the 8xxx series.

Send me an R[V]6xx and I'll try to whip something up.

Actually I would like to do a write-up for the AA modes on the 8xxx like I did for the 7900 GTX but I can't find a tester app that will show CSAA sample patterns, and I don?t want to leech them.

 

[*kjm]

"i think it is personal preference as with audio."

apoppin I agree with you. I have always liked ATI images better but that is me. My brother says Nvidia is better but I just don't agree with him. I have owned both over the years so me and him agree to dis agree That is why I always say to each his or her own.

 

[bryanW1995]

Yes, ackmed, now that a certain person is back, don't you wish that you were back in a war zone?

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

why not? seems useful .... and easy to do

The main reason is likely most reviewers don't know the xS modes are available on the 8xxx series.

Send me an R[V]6xx and I'll try to whip something up.

Actually I would like to do a write-up for the AA modes on the 8xxx like I did for the 7900 GTX but I can't find a tester app that will show CSAA sample patterns, and I don?t want to leech them.

iirc, apoppin has a spare 2900pro lying around...

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

why not? seems useful .... and easy to do

The main reason is likely most reviewers don't know the xS modes are available on the 8xxx series.

Send me an R[V]6xx and I'll try to whip something up.

Actually I would like to do a write-up for the AA modes on the 8xxx like I did for the 7900 GTX but I can't find a tester app that will show CSAA sample patterns, and I don?t want to leech them.

i *could* ... but i am having SO much fun with CrossFire
... FINALLY! ... i just bought 5 new games and am going "wild"
[Part 2 - "real World Testing" of Vista can wait ]

i am certain our own Derek Wilson *knows* [hint/hint]... is it just not that popular of a subject? ... or should we make a request known to him?

at any rate, it is kind of hard to comparison review HW one piece at a time ... it is too bad we can't set up some kind of trading program here

 

[BFG10K]

and i really don't know how quiet your ultra is at load so i can't comment

Bottom chart:

8800 Ultra: 50.5 db.
2900 XT: 56.0 db.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

and i really don't know how quiet your ultra is at load so i can't comment

Bottom chart:

8800 Ultra: 50.5 db.
2900 XT: 56.0 db.

that still won't answer it

what is "load" for you Ultra ... does it spin to 100%

at load my 2900xt spins up to about 60% [last i looked] ... at that point it is noticeable ... but not annoying

the only time i got it to 100% - i set it with ATT tool - and it was shocking loud ... i never heard it as loud in a real world situation [will i every quit with the 'real world sh!t? .. probably not ] ... and i doubt if i would have ever kept the card if it needed to spin up to 100%

 

[Spicedaddy]

Went from an ATI 9700PRo to an 8600GT (for 2 days), then to a HD3870, and the nVidia card's image was darker and seemed more washed out. Missed my 9700Pro... until I got the 3870.

Keep on turning up that "digital vibrance"!!

 

[watek]

I really can't see the difference. Going from ATI to Nvidia, only the bios screen looks more clear hah.

 

[exar333]

Originally posted by: ExarKun333
No.

If by image quality you mean slower frame rates, then yes.

No sense of humor here! I was trying (apparently a poor attempt) at a good ol' simpsons joke.

And I do apologize as I forgot the 3870x2 is out and is the "fastest" single-card available. ATI has the best (if not "tenuous") hold on the performance crown right now.



P.S. Be nice! Trolls fear both fire and acid, we may need both for this thread!

 

[3NF]

I've used both and can't tell a difference. Maybe I like nVidia better because the name sounds better and the color green is associated with the name.

 

[LOUISSSSS]

coming from a x1900xt to a 8800gts 640 to a 8800gt 512 i can't tell any difference in video, dvd's, gaming, or desktop (2d) image quality.

from what i remember from my 6800nu days, digital vibrance sucked and i always had it off and it didn't make the picture quality any better.

 

[qbfx]

Originally posted by: ExarKun333

Originally posted by: ExarKun333
No.

If by image quality you mean slower frame rates, then yes.

No sense of humor here! I was trying (apparently a poor attempt) at a good ol' simpsons joke.

And I do apologize as I forgot the 3870x2 is out and is the "fastest" single-card available. ATI has the best (if not "tenuous") hold on the performance crown right now.



P.S. Be nice! Trolls fear both fire and acid, we may need both for this thread!

Trolls actually love acid but not the kind you think

 

[Blacklash]

I have HD 3850s in my third rig and like them better as *cough* multimedia cards.

 

[Golgatha]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
This is basically the difference in the default color settings of ATi and nVIDIA. Turn up Digital Vibrance up a notch and you will see that change.

Then again, its all up to the person. But technically speaking, nVIDIA has the best AF algorithm, and some of their AA modes are considered to be the best, eg xS hybrid AA mode.

Agreed by me at least. I like ATI's default color settings the best. However, nVidia looks nearly the same to me, as compared to ATI, when I increase digital vibrance to around 10%.

This is coming from an ATI X1900XTX to an 8800GT.