Anyone else VERY dissapointed in Buckhimer's(sp) Pearl Harbor?

Desslok

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I was watching it again for the first time since it came out and I forgot how really BAD this movie is. It is so full of technical and historical errors that it is really sad. Some people are going to say oh it is just a movie, well if you are going to make a movie at least try and get it right. Films like Tora Tora Tora and The Blue Max did an excellent job on trying to be accurate.

Here is a small list of some of the major the problems with this movie.

1.) Why are Navy Nurses giving Army Air Corp pilots their medical exams?

2.) Now lets look at what is wrong with that little game of chicken they played over the airfield with the hordes of Zeros on their tail. For this to work they would have had to fly straight and level for way to long and the pilots of the Zeros would have splashed them both. Even overlooking that fact, if a pursuing fighter is trying to maintain a guns-tracking index on his target which then goes into a sudden hard turn, the pursuing fighter will instinctively try to stay inside the target's turn. The pursuer will do this automatically and reflexively by either by pulling a tighter pure-pursuit turn to maintain the tracking index, or by pulling upward in a high yo-yo or quarter-plane maneuver for more turning room, therefore missing another fighter doing a symmetrical move from the opposite direction.

3.) All the Bladwins should be banned from making films. Alec's portral of Jimmy Doolittle was nothing short of slanderous. He(Jimmy Doolittle) was not this "I am a bad ass pilot". He was one of the most down to earth guy's of the war. He was never in operational command of a fighter squadron in 41 he was stationed at the Air Force headquarters. His command of the raid was only temporary.

4.) How are two P-40 pilots going to be picked to fly a plane they are not trained to fly? Did the Army Air Corp finally find out about his dyslekia?

5.) How did "Red" get his wings? Last time I check a person that stuttered would have been washed out even before pilot training.

I could go on but this is just making more and more angry that people will actually believe this is the way it happened. Thanks to Jerry Buckhimer(sp) for making such quality film.
 

poopaskoopa

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I was disappointed that I didn't walk in to the theater 1 hr and 30 minutes into the movie.
 

Sluggo

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I thought it was supposed to be a M-O-V-I-E, not an accurate historical depiction of the events.

Just for the record, in "Behind Enemy Lines", 2 seat F/A-18 aircraft are not even supposed to be deployed on a carrier, much less flying missions off of one.
 

kami

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It was a crappy, worthless, boring movie...and that is my opinion without even taking into consideration the historical accuracy.
 

Nefrodite

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its a pg13 love story.. with a little pathetic war in the background. boring and stupid.. sanitized...


3.) All the Bladwins should be banned from making films. Alec's portral of Jimmy Doolittle was nothing short of slanderous. He(Jimmy Doolittle) was not this "I am a bad ass pilot". He was one of the most down to earth guy's of the war. He was never in operational command of a fighter squadron in 41 he was stationed at the Air Force headquarters. His command of the raid was only temporary.

um ok... if your going to slam him.. u need to slam the rest of the cast equally..they were all bad. no thanks to the script...
 

Siddhartha

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I just saw the movie. Except for being abit long, I thought it was a good movie. Visually, it is amazing. I would like to see it on a large screen with a good sound system.
 
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I was very disappointed in this movie. Aside from being way to long with a watery plot, i felt bad that i made my bf sit though the entire thing. Two words: it sucked!
 

Spooner

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I'm going to agree on this one.

Piss poor movie.

Anyone else getting really sick of Ben Affleck?
 

NFS4

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It's just a flippin' movie!!!!!!! Why must people nitpick?

When I go to see a movie, I go for the enjoyment, not to carry a notpad and pencil to r@pe the movie b/c of inaccuracies. I'm sure that just about any movie could be ripped apart for innaccuracies and inconsistency from scene to scene.

I didn't go to see Pearl Harbor expecting it to be some historic, detailed, 100% true to life depiction of the actual events (I mean goodness, it's a Bruckheimer flick that has Aflek and Baldwin in it;)). Bruckheimer is known for his blow 'em up special effects and explosions and that's what I got along with some lovey dovey stuff that I didn't mind too much.

Overall, I'd give the movie a B-, mainly for the fact that I didn't sit through the movie with a pole up my ass:)
 

Desslok

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Well I nitpick because I remember when movie makers TRIED sonewhat to make their movies close to what happen. Want examples? Midway, Tora Tora Tora, and The Blue Max.

Sure these moves had some problems with them, but at least they tried to stick to what happened. If you are going to make a movie about a historical event you are asking for it to be nitpicked.
 

NFS4

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Originally posted by: AMDTechGeek
Well I nitpick because I remember when movie makers TRIED sonewhat to make their movies close to what happen. Want examples? Midway, Tora Tora Tora, and The Blue Max.

Sure these moves had some problems with them, but at least they tried to stick to what happened. If you are going to make a movie about a historical event you are asking for it to be nitpicked.

Yeah, and Top Gun was supposed to be about the "Top Gun" school. Hardly representative of real life (actually, not even close), but it was fun nonetheless.

A documentary should be nitpicked, but not a movie. Movies are condensed into 1.5 - 2.5 hours long affairs and you can't POSSIBLY give every detail in that amount of time. Liberties are taken, stuff gets taken out, stuff gets added, and things get stretched or warped.

Lastly, like I said before...look no further than the "Bruckheimer Effect." After seeing what he has released in previous years, I don't know how you could think this would be 100% or even 85% accurate ;) I KNOW THAT going into the theatre and don't expect much more from him...

Beverly Hills Cop
Top Gun
Beverly Hills Cop 2
Days of Thunder
Bad Boys -- kickass :p:p:D
The Rock
Con Air
Crimson Tide
Armageddon
Gone in 60 Seconds
Coyote Ugly
Enemy of the State


I mean, what were you expecting to happen?? Bruckheimer is all about chicks, big tits, guys with egos, fast cars, and explosions:D
 

MazerRackham

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Originally posted by: Spooner
I'm going to agree on this one.

Piss poor movie.

Anyone else getting really sick of Ben Affleck?

Affleck does indeed suck. He should watch out, since I think people are getting really annoyed with him (at least I am). Matt Damon, on the other hand, is starting to become a super super star actor. I thought he did an excellent job in The Bourne Identity...
 

Nemesis77

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Pearl Harbor SUCKED. It could have been a great war-movie, but Bruckheimer butchered it. Just few mistakes/things that annoy me:

1. Pilots of the japanese navy were among the best in the world at that time. Yet in the movie they ran in to each other, were shot down by small-arms fire and they couldn't shoot down two opposing planes. Yeah, right!

2. The target of the japanese were the ships. Then why did they seemed to have dozens of bombs to spare to bomb a... Opening in front of a hospital? yeah, a really important military-target I'm sure.

3. USS Arizona (if I remember correctly) had incorrect number of barrels in her main guns (in the movie she had two per turret, in reality she had three)

4. Wasn't one of the ships in the harbor a modern-day Aegis Cruiser?

5. The Doolittle-raid was completely unneeded in the movie. But I guess it was unacceptable for the movie to end in a seemingly american defeat.

Good points in the movie was the fact that the germans used correct tactics (as decribed by the guy who fought in Battle of Britain): Use the superior climb-speed of the Messerschmit to gain altitude and attack from the above.

In short: It was a love-story that happened to take place during WW2. If you want to watch a movie about Pearl Harbor, go watch "Tora Tora Tora!"
 

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It's just a flippin' movie!!!!!!! Why must people nitpick?
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Even as just a movie it was a bad movie. The sfx were great but that was about it. It was very hard for me to sit through this movie. It only get a star and a half out of four in my book.
 

Linux23

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i think the person who ever conceived this script should be pimp slapped. and then the filmmakers should be flogged in public for ever agreeing to make such drivel as this.
 

Stark

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yes, it was a complete piece of crap inspired by the huge amounts of money titanic pulled in. It should have been called "titanic in hawaii with japanese zeros." I was amazed that the idiot who put out pearl harbor also made black hawk down. I guess he learned to keep it real and not run history through hollywood's PC filter.
 

fatbaby

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wait so if the guy who made pearl harbor made bhd...that means he made gladiator too!!?!??!

I enjoyed both gladiator and bhd and thought they were the some of the best movies of 2001!
 

Kindjal

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Ben Affleck is bizarro version of Tom Cruise. Unlike Cruise, Affleck has zero likeability. In short, Affleck comes off as a prick, as opposed to Cruise, who comes off a that young cocky guy.
 
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One of the worst movies I've seen. Super disappointing.

And why the hell were the subtitles for the Japanese in broken English? That makes no sense.
 

Nemesis77

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Originally posted by: fatbaby
wait so if the guy who made pearl harbor made bhd...that means he made gladiator too!!?!??!

I enjoyed both gladiator and bhd and thought they were the some of the best movies of 2001!

the producer is the same in PH and BHD (Bruckheimer), director is different (Ridley Scott in BHD, god knows who in PH). Bruckheimer had NOTHING to do with Gladiator.
 

Scipionix

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The movie sucked all around, and yes, I am including the "battle" scenes. The Doris Miller bit pissed me off too. How much more patronizing (and inaccurate) can you get? Tora! Tora! Tora! didn't make a big stink over it; in that movie he just ran over and manned the machine gun when its crew was knocked out. Pearl Harbor is not about Pear Harbor. It's about a crappy romance plot getting stuck in some poorly-depicted Japanese attack. If you want to see a movie ABOUT Pearl Harbor, see Tora! x3. If you want to see a sh!tty Bruckheimer film, hell, there are even better sh!tty Bruckheimer films, like Top Gun.