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Anyone else sick of hearing about Terry Schaivo?
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Why are we afraid to let people die?
The right to die is a scary issue, because who decides for you when you can't decide for yourself? The doctors say there is no chance Terri will recover, but of course no one can be certain. And just because I personally wouldn't want to go through that, doesn't mean Terri wouldn't want a chance to live... I do know that it is none of the business of anyone other than the families involved, and certainly not the courts. The family needs to work it out and find what Terri herself would truly want, not what they think is right. They are not the ones lying there; they don't know the pain she is feeling. They only know that she is alive, and are afraid to let her go. I understand. I wouldn't want to let go either. There isn't a right answer to this issue, and that is scary. But in the end, we will all die. it is a difficult thing to face, but sometimes you have to just let go.
But the wrong thing to do is to LET THE FVCKING GOVERNMENT DECIDE FOR YOU. Congress is trying to pass a bill that would force the hospitals to reinsert the feeding tube so that her fate can be decided in federal court. (Of course, Bush is expected to sign it; lord knows he won't miss an opportunity to appeal to the religious fanatics and enhance their already blind trust, but I digress...) What is wrong with this family that they have to involve the courts in a private, family matter. Why doesn't anybody TALK to each other any more. It always has to be "I'm right and I'm not going to talk to you because you're wrong and if you disagree I'LL SEE YOU IN COURT!" I thought they were supposed to be looking out for the well being of Terri, and though it is indeed arguable whether or not she would choose to die, I think it would be safe to say she wouldn't want to see her FAMILY bitching it out in PUBLIC COURT.
The right to die is a scary issue, because who decides for you when you can't decide for yourself? The doctors say there is no chance Terri will recover, but of course no one can be certain. And just because I personally wouldn't want to go through that, doesn't mean Terri wouldn't want a chance to live... I do know that it is none of the business of anyone other than the families involved, and certainly not the courts. The family needs to work it out and find what Terri herself would truly want, not what they think is right. They are not the ones lying there; they don't know the pain she is feeling. They only know that she is alive, and are afraid to let her go. I understand. I wouldn't want to let go either. There isn't a right answer to this issue, and that is scary. But in the end, we will all die. it is a difficult thing to face, but sometimes you have to just let go.
But the wrong thing to do is to LET THE FVCKING GOVERNMENT DECIDE FOR YOU. Congress is trying to pass a bill that would force the hospitals to reinsert the feeding tube so that her fate can be decided in federal court. (Of course, Bush is expected to sign it; lord knows he won't miss an opportunity to appeal to the religious fanatics and enhance their already blind trust, but I digress...) What is wrong with this family that they have to involve the courts in a private, family matter. Why doesn't anybody TALK to each other any more. It always has to be "I'm right and I'm not going to talk to you because you're wrong and if you disagree I'LL SEE YOU IN COURT!" I thought they were supposed to be looking out for the well being of Terri, and though it is indeed arguable whether or not she would choose to die, I think it would be safe to say she wouldn't want to see her FAMILY bitching it out in PUBLIC COURT.
erikistired
Diamond Member
YES. the freakin country has REAL PROBLEMS to deal with.
preslove
Lifer
This is fvcking disgusting.
Myths about the Terri Schiavo case
1. Terri is conscious
Court-appointed, government-appointed, and private physicians have confirmed that Terri Schiavo is in a persistent vegetative state (PVS). Schiavo suffered massive brain damage as a result of a cardiac arrest 15 years ago, and ongoing neurological degeneration interim.
Patients in a PVS have no higher cognitive function and no chance of recovery.
Terri is neither comatose, nor brain dead. She is in a vegetative state because her higher brain centers have been destroyed and replaced by fluid.
1.' A recent study showed that patients like Terri are more conscious than we thought
A recent fMRI by study found that two patients in a minimally conscious state (MCS) showed slightly more brain activity during speech recognition tasks than would have been predicted based on the severity of their injuries and behavioral observations (Schiff ND, Rodriguez-Moreno D, Kamal A, et al, 2005). When the study was released, some commentators inappropriately cited this result as evidence that Terri Schiavo's level of consciousness might have been underestimated.
Terri Schiavo is not in an MCS. According to the authors of the study, a diagnosis of MCS is reserved for a subset of patients who demonstrate "unequivocal, but intermittent, behavioral evidence of awareness of self or their environment." Unfortunately, Terri is even more severely disabled than the patients in this study.
2. There are new treatments that might help Terri
Despite what Terri's parents say, there are no new treatments that could help their daughter. Anyone who claims that he can improve Terri's level of consciousness is a quack. You can't treat a brain that isn't there.
3. Terri's collapse is unexplained and/or suspicious
... Hypokalemic cardiac arrests are rare in the population at large, but they all too common in young women with severe eating disorders. Michael Schiavo successfully sued Terri's doctors for failing to diagnose her condition. If there had been an alternate explanation for Terri's condition--like attempted murder by the plaintiff--you would think the doctors Schiavo sued would have brought it up...
4. Michael Schiavo abused Terri
There is no firm evidence that anyone abused Terri. A judge ruled the abuse allegation irrelevant years ago, but Terri's "supporters" are determined to keep meme alive just to destroy Michael Schiavo's reputation.
Dr. Baden alleges that a bone scan taken in 1991 showed that Terri had suffered trauma. Here is the deposition of the radiologist who analyzed Terri's bone scan, Dr. William Campbell Walker.
During the deposition, Walker acknowledges that the abnormalities on the bone scan could have been caused by Schiavo's collapse, vigorous CPR, an earlier car accident, prolonged immobility, or aggressive physiotherapy. Contrary to Dr. Baden's insinuation, the scan revealed no abnormalities in the head or neck.
5. Terri's brain damage was caused by a closed head injury
The head injury claim has been repeated over and over in the right wing media. Here's the only evidence I was able to find for this bold claim: In his deposition, Dr. Walker says that Dr. James Carnahan, Terri's rehabilitation physician, wrote "closed head injury" on a form requesting a radiological trauma work up. Maybe Schiavo has a history of closed head injuries, but it is absurd to think that a closed head injury caused her current vegetative state.
6. Michael Schiavo just wants to inherit Terri's fortune
What fortune? Even the pro-tube Terri Schiavo Foundation reports that of the nearly one million dollar malpractice settlement earmarked for Terri's future medical care, less than $50,000 is left.
The TSF is righteously indignant that a fair chunk of that money has gone to attorneys' fees. A judge authorized Michael Schiavo to spend that money on legal representation for himself and his incapacitated wife. It's odd that the TSF is so indignant, seeing as they picked the legal fight that depleted the account.
The TSF also acknowledges that Schiavo offered to donate whatever money he stood to inherit to charity if Terri's parents would stop trying interfere with his right to make medical decisions on behalf of his wife.
I just hope that these character assassins can be discredited before they ruin another person's life. Michael Schiavo has suffered enough.
Myths about the Terri Schiavo case
1. Terri is conscious
Court-appointed, government-appointed, and private physicians have confirmed that Terri Schiavo is in a persistent vegetative state (PVS). Schiavo suffered massive brain damage as a result of a cardiac arrest 15 years ago, and ongoing neurological degeneration interim.
Patients in a PVS have no higher cognitive function and no chance of recovery.
Terri is neither comatose, nor brain dead. She is in a vegetative state because her higher brain centers have been destroyed and replaced by fluid.
1.' A recent study showed that patients like Terri are more conscious than we thought
A recent fMRI by study found that two patients in a minimally conscious state (MCS) showed slightly more brain activity during speech recognition tasks than would have been predicted based on the severity of their injuries and behavioral observations (Schiff ND, Rodriguez-Moreno D, Kamal A, et al, 2005). When the study was released, some commentators inappropriately cited this result as evidence that Terri Schiavo's level of consciousness might have been underestimated.
Terri Schiavo is not in an MCS. According to the authors of the study, a diagnosis of MCS is reserved for a subset of patients who demonstrate "unequivocal, but intermittent, behavioral evidence of awareness of self or their environment." Unfortunately, Terri is even more severely disabled than the patients in this study.
2. There are new treatments that might help Terri
Despite what Terri's parents say, there are no new treatments that could help their daughter. Anyone who claims that he can improve Terri's level of consciousness is a quack. You can't treat a brain that isn't there.
3. Terri's collapse is unexplained and/or suspicious
... Hypokalemic cardiac arrests are rare in the population at large, but they all too common in young women with severe eating disorders. Michael Schiavo successfully sued Terri's doctors for failing to diagnose her condition. If there had been an alternate explanation for Terri's condition--like attempted murder by the plaintiff--you would think the doctors Schiavo sued would have brought it up...
4. Michael Schiavo abused Terri
There is no firm evidence that anyone abused Terri. A judge ruled the abuse allegation irrelevant years ago, but Terri's "supporters" are determined to keep meme alive just to destroy Michael Schiavo's reputation.
Dr. Baden alleges that a bone scan taken in 1991 showed that Terri had suffered trauma. Here is the deposition of the radiologist who analyzed Terri's bone scan, Dr. William Campbell Walker.
During the deposition, Walker acknowledges that the abnormalities on the bone scan could have been caused by Schiavo's collapse, vigorous CPR, an earlier car accident, prolonged immobility, or aggressive physiotherapy. Contrary to Dr. Baden's insinuation, the scan revealed no abnormalities in the head or neck.
5. Terri's brain damage was caused by a closed head injury
The head injury claim has been repeated over and over in the right wing media. Here's the only evidence I was able to find for this bold claim: In his deposition, Dr. Walker says that Dr. James Carnahan, Terri's rehabilitation physician, wrote "closed head injury" on a form requesting a radiological trauma work up. Maybe Schiavo has a history of closed head injuries, but it is absurd to think that a closed head injury caused her current vegetative state.
6. Michael Schiavo just wants to inherit Terri's fortune
What fortune? Even the pro-tube Terri Schiavo Foundation reports that of the nearly one million dollar malpractice settlement earmarked for Terri's future medical care, less than $50,000 is left.
The TSF is righteously indignant that a fair chunk of that money has gone to attorneys' fees. A judge authorized Michael Schiavo to spend that money on legal representation for himself and his incapacitated wife. It's odd that the TSF is so indignant, seeing as they picked the legal fight that depleted the account.
The TSF also acknowledges that Schiavo offered to donate whatever money he stood to inherit to charity if Terri's parents would stop trying interfere with his right to make medical decisions on behalf of his wife.
I just hope that these character assassins can be discredited before they ruin another person's life. Michael Schiavo has suffered enough.
How can you call that an excellent link when it doesn't even attempt to be objective? It's merely trying to push a viewpoint.
I could give a link that tries to prove that the Moon landings were faked but it wouldn't be either objective or factual. That wouldn't stop idiots from believing it though, because their mind is already made up.
loup garou
Lifer
:thumbsup:
Why can't they kill her in a more humane way, other than starving her to death?
Also, isn't it interesting how Bush takes off from his vacation just to sign a bill that prolong's her state, but while he was the governor of Texas, Texas had the most number of executions. How humane of him to save a dead woman from dying, but killing living human beings.
Also, isn't it interesting how Bush takes off from his vacation just to sign a bill that prolong's her state, but while he was the governor of Texas, Texas had the most number of executions. How humane of him to save a dead woman from dying, but killing living human beings.
Phoenix86
Lifer
That was already brought up in state courts, where there is a forum and process for cases like this. The judge that signed the order to enfourced the husband's wishes to remove the tube he knew that... Heck the order itself said to remove the tube... Also, congress did not order the tube replaced.
So again, what' the compelling reason for congress to get involved.
And who can forget the "culture of life." The president who as governor almost always deffered to the courts when it came to executing convicted killers, and who hasn't bothered to attend a funeral of the hundreds of soldiers that died for his lie is breaking his neverending vacation to fly to the white house in the middle of the night to sign a bill specifically tailored to keep one person in a vegitative state instead of letting her die.
preslove
Lifer
This is rich.
'ABC News obtained talking points circulated among Senate Republicans explaining why they should vote to intervene in the Schiavo case. Among them, that it is an important moral issue and the "pro-life base will be excited," and that it is a "great political issue -- this is a tough issue for Democrats." '
'ABC News obtained talking points circulated among Senate Republicans explaining why they should vote to intervene in the Schiavo case. Among them, that it is an important moral issue and the "pro-life base will be excited," and that it is a "great political issue -- this is a tough issue for Democrats." '
Phoenix86
Lifer
It has been determined NUMEROUS times in previous cases, that the right to die is up to the states to decide, not the federal gov't. So what's new? What's the NEW information that this case sheds light on that others haven't and why is that new information compelling enough to create a new law? I'm still not seeing it.
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