Anyone else pissed off at their car for not having ABS

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: QuitBanningMe

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: QuitBanningMe
WTF are you talking about? That is what I just said.

You also said: "The only reason non ABS is desirable is to be able to lock the tires."

:roll:

Ummmm....that is what I use it for. It is nice too be able to break traction in some instances. What other reasons are there? Every reliable source that has compared apples to apples says that ABS stops quicker while adding the ability to steer. The only time you are going to stop quicker for the most part with non abs is when locking the brakes in snow (not hard packed) or gravel at the cost of losing steering ability.

You are a normal driver, nothing wrong with it. You are obviously not driving the way that abs/non-abs really makes a lot of difference. Even without ABS if you trust your driving you can modulate the brakes and keep steering. Most people cannot get themselves to let up the brake in a panic situation though.

Also in reality on dry pavement with traction locking the brakes usually = the shortest stop, but your tires end up fuxored. In the wet, without traction the longest, usually tires still get fuxored if holding the lock until stopped.

 

[QuitBanningMe]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: QuitBanningMe

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: QuitBanningMe
WTF are you talking about? That is what I just said.

You also said: "The only reason non ABS is desirable is to be able to lock the tires."

:roll:

Ummmm....that is what I use it for. It is nice too be able to break traction in some instances. What other reasons are there? Every reliable source that has compared apples to apples says that ABS stops quicker while adding the ability to steer. The only time you are going to stop quicker for the most part with non abs is when locking the brakes in snow (not hard packed) or gravel at the cost of losing steering ability.

You are a normal driver, nothing wrong with it. You are obviously not driving the way that abs/non-abs really makes a lot of difference. Even without ABS if you trust your driving you can modulate the brakes and keep steering. Most people cannot get themselves to let up the brake in a panic situation though.

Also in reality on dry pavement with traction locking the brakes usually = the shortest stop, but your tires end up fuxored. In the wet, without traction the longest, usually tires still get fuxored if holding the lock until stopped.

LOL:roll:
You haven't read a word I typed apparently. Also I'm probably one of the few people here who have actually been to a track.

You just said thatthe shortest distance on dry pavement is achieved by locking the brakes ( a light skid actually) and I said the only advantage was to be able to lock the brakes. This can be of benefit for stopping, sliding and just rapidly slowing down.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: QuitBanningMe

Originally posted by: funboy42
I am having a brain fart and cant remember the name but a insurance agency did a study on car crashes between cars equipped with abs and thoes without. It came out that it wouldnt of mattered in a crash if you had it becuase the outcome would of been the same.

I personally hate abs. Just another computerized pos taking controll o fmy car. I know how to hadle my car and pump the brakes when they lock up. when I have had a car with abs it kinds made me freak out and less alert because of what is was doing.

Wouldn't that be a little skewed as they were studying accidents that happened (the way it sounds).

I think you are talking about the NHSTA study although other studies have found different results:
http://www.abs-education.org/news/nwstudy.htm

The facts are they originally required ABS on all new cars (I can't remember the date maybe 90ish) but by the mid 90's ABS was no longer required as it was found many were better off sliding the way they were going, rather than gaining the steering control ABS gave and causing other collateral damage.

Still for many I have been in the car with that had abs in their panic stops I am happy they had it. Occasionally I have 'steered' though. They were full on mashed, once covering their freaking eyes with both hands.

That's average drivers folks.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: QuitBanningMe

You haven't read a word I typed apparently. Also I'm probably one of the few people here who have actually been to a track.

Really on all of AT? That whole $10 admission fee is a real qualifier right?

Originally posted by: QuitBanningMe

You just said thatthe shortest distance on dry pavement is achieved by locking the brakes ( a light skid actually) and I said the only advantage was to be able to lock the brakes. This can be of benefit for stopping, sliding and just rapidly slowing down.

damn you are Racer X! Who do you really race for Ferrari?

 

[Horus]

Originally posted by: Zim Hosein
I don't have a car

Welcome to my life up to today...my dad sold me the family runner, a 1999 Mazda Protege SE, w/ 60,000K on it for 5 grand...

Then he went out and got pricing for a Mazda 3GS :|

 

[opticalmace]

i like not having it

 

[QuitBanningMe]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: QuitBanningMe

You haven't read a word I typed apparently. Also I'm probably one of the few people here who have actually been to a track.

Really on all of AT? That whole $10 admission fee is a real qualifier right?

Originally posted by: QuitBanningMe

You just said thatthe shortest distance on dry pavement is achieved by locking the brakes ( a light skid actually) and I said the only advantage was to be able to lock the brakes. This can be of benefit for stopping, sliding and just rapidly slowing down.

damn you are Racer X! Who do you really race for Ferrari?

:roll:
Nice personal attacks. Your desire to find fault in what I say is funny. Why do you want to? Who knows? Probably because I disagreed with you on one point and provided links/ studies to back up what I said. Then you want to find fault in a statement I made that said the exact same thing you did? :roll:


Ferrari? No. I started racing Legends with my dad along with some off road races. I later got into autocross while hanging out at the base "hobby shop" while in the military. Unlike you I don't claim to know it all but at least my statements are based on experience and studies which I provided links for.

Loser.

 

[Calin]

Originally posted by: TwoBills
Half you people don't know what ABS is, but that won't stop you from discussing it.

I'm a very "cough" assertive driver, have been for 40 years, and am now driving my 1st vehicle w/ABS. Didn't think I'd like it since I'm a bit of a minimalist, but that system is great. Doesn't cost any more when you do a normal brake job, either.

Just to put things in perspective: When I was 23 I was driving a Boss 302. So I know where a lot of you are coming from. See ya in my rear view.

Goosemaster: As others have said, bleed your brakes. That should take care of the problem.

Only the brake pump costs a lot more, simple tasks like brake pads/rotors/bleeding/changing brake liquid are about as cheap/expensive as on non-ABS brakes